The purpose of this thread is to trace back the Nordic World Order. My theory (which might be wrong) is that the Vikings actually come from the remnants of the Phoenicians who were originally Canaanites who believed in Child Sacrifice. Is it possible this 'clan' worked behind the scenes throughout history and meddled with the rise and fall of some of the biggest empires in history? Are they still meddling today? I don't have the space, but I also posit that they were pirates, skull and bones, and also lead to the Nazi's.

To start the conversation off, I compiled a few quick facts about related topics, but by no means is this thread limited to this. Whatever you think might be related, please share.

Who were the Phoenicians?

• Original Canaanites (worshipped Baal, child sacrifices, etc)

• Supplied King Solomon with Silver

• Arose to power and prosperity with the Bronze Age Collapse which weakened/destroyed the Egyptian and Hittite empires in 1200 BCE

• Famous for Tyrian Purple (Phoenician is related to the word Purple), which was beloved by royalty due to it's rarity.

• Conquered 600 years later by Persia, and were reduced to being Ship Builders, they were essentially obliterated later by Roman conquest.

• Syria region was significant to the Phoenician Empire

• Allegedly, Phoenician artefacts were found in North America

• Ships very similar to Vikings, with Red/White Striped Sails

Who were the Sea Peoples?

• Great historical mystery (that we are going to SOLVE)

• I alleged they were some sort of FF Phoenician Navy

• Blamed for the Bronze Age collapse which led to the Phoenicians becoming the most powerful traders in the world.

• Did coastal raids

Who were the Vikings?

• Did coastal raids in the 800's CE

• Not much known about them until their raids began

• Descendants ascended to the British Throne from 1013-1035 CE

• Settled Newfoundland in 1000 CE

• Ships very similar to Phoenicians, with Red/White Striped Sails

Who was Christopher Columbus?

• Did he know what the Phoenicians and Vikings knew?

• Sails had Red Cross on White

Who was the East Indian Trading Company?

• England defeats the Spanish Armada in 1588 CE, opening trade possibilities world wide

• First voyage in 1601 CE called Red Dragon officially broke the Spanish monopoly

• American Old Glory is modelled after their flag. Originally it was a Red Cross, along with the Red/White Stripes, later the Union Jack, along with Red/White Stripes.

Why is the American Flag so similar to all the above?

• Benjamin Franklin (Mason) suggested to adopt it

• But perhaps the Ancient Phoenicians, whoever they are, were keen on finally claiming America after all this time.

• Perhaps the American interest in Israel is not for Israel but because of Canaan

(This thread originally inspired by these posts: >>1718205 >>1718223 >>1718328 >>1718422 >>1718552 >>1718621 >>1718655 >>1718812)

>>1719781

I was honestly surprised when I made this thread that those dates lined up so well.

These guys have been the King Makers for a long… looooong time.

I also don't think it STARTS in Canaan, this has been going on from the beginning.

>>1720582

It just hit me as well, someone told me that those birds aren't eagles. Nope they're Phoenix…. PHOENIcian/PHOENIx

Coincidence?

This is a great start! Keep it up!!

Now I fucking KNOW we're on to something big!!

United Nations Honor Flag 1943-1948

The "Four Freedoms flag" or "United Nations Honor Flag," was influenced by Roosevelt's Four Freedoms speech, and intended to symbolize the World War II Allies and their goals, as set down in the Atlantic Charter and the Declaration by United Nations. This flag was designed by Brooks Harding in October 1942, and saw some use between 1943 and 1948.

It has sometimes been called the first "United Nations flag," but was never an official organizational flag of the United Nations.

>>1726091

Thank you! I was trying to think how this could possibly tie into Khazaria. Here's a link to ponder. Where is Sweeden? Scandinavia.. ie… VIKINGS

So I'm trying to figure out how the vikings and Khazaria mix into all this. One thing I notice is that the timing is somewhat close… the Khazars rose to prominence about a hundred years before the Viking raids started.

Just a random thought, perhaps they used the vikings to disrupt trade in the north so that they could more easily expand in the south? And should they even conquer the north, all the better? No evidence for this yet, just an idea…

>>1728222

>secluded name of the god

Sounds like Freemasonry

>>1728149

This could be nothing but I found this interesting:

The term Iran derives directly from Middle Persian Ērān, first attested in a third-century inscription at Rustam Relief, with the accompanying Parthian inscription using the term Aryān, in reference to the Iranians.[41] The Middle Iranian ērān and aryān are oblique plural forms of gentilic nouns ēr- (Middle Persian) and ary- (Parthian), both deriving from Proto-Iranian arya- (meaning "Aryan", i.e. "of the Iranians"),[41][42] recognized as a derivative of Proto-Indo-European ar-yo-, meaning "one who assembles (skilfully)".[43]

Aryan… where have I heard that before… oh yeah, the Aryan Race that NAZI's thought was superior? Could just be a similar word

>>1728871

FUCK ME

The term Aryan has generally been used to describe the Proto-Indo-Iranian language root *arya which was the ethnonym the Indo-Iranians adopted to describe Aryans. Its cognate in Sanskrit is the word ārya (Devanāgarī: आर्य), in origin an ethnic self-designation, in Classical Sanskrit meaning "honourable, respectable, noble".[4][5] The Old Persian cognate ariya- (Old Persian cuneiform: 𐎠𐎼𐎡𐎹) is the ancestor of the modern name of Iran and ethnonym for the Iranian people.[6]

>>1728888

Whoa, quads confirm!

Here's the full link, Wikipedia of course:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

The term Aryan has generally been used to describe the Proto-Indo-Iranian language root *arya which was the ethnonym the Indo-Iranians adopted to describe Aryans. Its cognate in Sanskrit is the word ārya (Devanāgarī: आर्य), in origin an ethnic self-designation, in Classical Sanskrit meaning "honourable, respectable, noble".[4][5] The Old Persian cognate ariya- (Old Persian cuneiform: 𐎠𐎼𐎡𐎹) is the ancestor of the modern name of Iran and ethnonym for the Iranian people.[6]

In the 18th century, the most ancient known Indo-European languages were those of the ancient Indo-Iranians. The word Aryan was therefore adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian peoples, but also to native Indo-European speakers as a whole, including the Romans, Greeks, and the Germans. It was soon recognised that Balts, Celts, and Slavs also belonged to the same group. It was argued that all of these languages originated from a common root – now known as Proto-Indo-European – spoken by an ancient people who were thought of as ancestors of the European, Iranian, and Indo-Aryan peoples.

This usage was common among knowledgeable authors writing in the late 19th and early 20th century. An example of this usage appears in The Outline of History, a bestselling 1920 work by H. G. Wells.[7] In that influential volume, Wells used the term in the plural ("the Aryan peoples"), but he was a staunch opponent of the racist and politically motivated exploitation of the singular term ("the Aryan people") by earlier authors like Houston Stewart Chamberlain (see below) and was careful either to avoid the generic singular, though he did refer now and again in the singular to some specific "Aryan people" (e.g., the Scythians). In 1922, in A Short History of the World, Wells depicted a highly diverse group of various "Aryan peoples" learning "methods of civilization" and then, by means of different uncoordinated movements that Wells believed were part of a larger dialectical rhythm of conflict between settled civilizations and nomadic invaders that also encompassed Aegean and Mongol peoples inter alia, "subjugat[ing]" – "in form" but not in "ideas and methods" – "the whole ancient world, Semitic, Aegean and Egyptian alike".[8]

However, in a climate of burgeoning racism it proved difficult to maintain such nuanced distinctions. Even Max Mueller, a linguist who wrote in 1888 that "an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar",[9] was on occasion guilty of using the term "Aryan race".[10] So it was that despite the injunctions of writers like Wells, the notion of an Aryan race took root in mainstream culture.[citation needed]

Thus, in the 1944 edition of Rand McNally's World Atlas, the Aryan race is depicted as one of the ten major racial groupings of mankind.[11] The science fiction author Poul Anderson, an anti-racist libertarian of Scandinavian ancestry, in his many works, consistently used the term Aryan as a synonym for "Indo-Europeans".[12]

The use of "Aryan" as a synonym for Indo -European may occasionally appear in material that is based on historic scholarship. Thus, a 1989 article in Scientific American, Colin Renfrew uses the term "Aryan" as a synonym for "Indo-European".[13]

The term Indo-Aryan is still commonly used to describe the Indic half of the Indo-Iranian languages, i.e., the family that includes Sanskrit and modern languages such as Hindi-Urdu, Bengali, Punjabi, Gujarati, Romani, Kashmiri, Sinhalese and Marathi.[14]

>>1728913

If you know more, please share. My head is spinning with the implications

>>1729115

Interesting old forum post tracing the Hexagram to Phoenicians

>>1729226

http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=14890.65;wap2

>>1729115

On the one hand I'm trying to understand this that it's not the Jews it's actually the ancient Canaanites, of whom are these days wearing the Jewish banner as protection from inspection.

Then again, there's also theories that the Hebrews never invaded Canaan, and actually evolved as a subsect of the culture and eventually made up an elaborate myth of escaping Egypt to conquer Canaan as a way to justify claiming the land after the Babylonian exile.

It's awkward to even look into this stuff without feeling icky. I'm not racist, I'm literally just following the leads and symbolism down the rabbit hole

>>1730014

Yes actually that's what really lead me down this path in the first place, it's in the first picture in fact… The Phoenecian boats/sails are IDENTICAL to the Vikings

I'm trying to figure out the gap though, because there was 1500-2000 years between the two. Phoenicians were at their zenith around 1200 BCE, and Vikings in 800 CE..So how could that happen? The link has to be stronger.

There are contradictory leads regarding the 'Celtic connection' to the Phoenicians, and they need to be considered as mere leads even when they may seem fusing to individuals who are already familiar with contradictory leads. There seems to be an ongoing debate (among 'the experts') regarding the origins and definition of the 'Celts'. Therefore, it is imperative to examine what is herewith presented in this light.

Are the Phoenicians and Celts possibly related?

The Phoenicians and the Celts may have originated in the Indus Valley, and also the Knossus Civilization of Crete, circa 2600 BC, plus perhaps the Sumerians, who came by sea to Sumer around 3800 BC. Or… perhaps the Phoenician, but NOT the original "Celts" were from the Indus Valley, and today's Celts are actually a mixture of the Phoenicians plus a "pre-Celtic" group. This and many other related questions remain open.

The following information asserts the above idea and is presented excerpts for debate.

L.A. Waddell, "Phoenician origin of Britons, Scots and Anglo-Saxons" (1924) (a recent reprinted version was published)

"Today a complete unanimity of opinion among physical anthropologists that the term Celt, if used at all, belongs to the brachycephalic (round headed) darkish population of the Alpine (Swiss) highlands….. totally lacking in the British Isles." – W.Z. Ripley, Races of Europe. 124, 126, 305.

"….scientific anthropologists and classic historians have proved that the "Celts" of history were the non-Aryan, round-headed, darkish small statured race of south Germany and Switzerland, and that the "Celts" properly so called are "totally lacking in the British Isles." Thus, to speak as is so commonly done, of "Celtic ancestry," the "Celtic "temperament," and "Celtic fire" amongst any section of the natives of these islands, is, according to anthropologists merely imagination. "The term "Celt" or "Celt" is entirely unknown as the designation of any race or racial element of language in the British Isles, until arbitrarily introduced there a few generations ago. Nor does the name even exist in the so-called "Celtic" languages, the Gaelic, Welsh and Irish. It is, on the contrary, the classic Greek and Latin title of a totally different race of a totally different physical type from that of the British Isles, and that the word was only produced there by unscientific phlogistic and ethnologists some decades ago…." – L.A. Waddell, "Phoenician origin of Britons, Scots and Anglo-Saxons", p 127f.

"It will thus be noticed that this "Celtic" area corresponds generally in Scotland with the area in which the "Picts" suddenly disappeared, and in whose place have suddenly appeared the people called "Celts". In Ireland also the "Celtic" area generally corresponds with that part of the country specially associated with the Bans, Van or Early Feins, who, we have found, were Picts. "This new line of evidence leads us to the conclusion that the early "Celts" or "Kelts" were presumably the early Picts calling themselves "Khaldis" or "Khaltis". They were a primitive people, who, I find from a mass of evidence, were early "Chaldees" or Galat (1) and "Gal (2)" of Van and Eastern Asia Minor and Mesopotamia in the Stone Age." – L.A. Waddell, "Phoenician origin of Britons, Scots and Anglo- Saxons", p. 139.

History tells us that England was settled by the Phoenicians who sailed to England to mine the tin. The Phoenicians invaded England in 1103 BC and when they arrived they found England to be inhabited by the Picts. Picts were a small people and were considered aborigines. Over a period of time the Phoenicians were assimilated. Today the small descendants of this intermarriage between the Picts and the Phoenicians have been incorrectly termed Celts.

>>1730280

"…….the daring Phoenician pioneers were not Semites as hitherto supposed, but were Aryans in Race, Speech and Script. They were, besides, disclosed to be the lineal blood ancestors of the Britons and Scots – properly so-called, that is, as opposed to the aboriginal, dark Non-Aryan people of Albion, Caledonia, Hibernia, the dusky small-statured Picts and kindred "Iberian" tribes. – p. vi of "The Phoenician Origin of Britons, Scots and Anglo-Saxons" (1924)

It is incorrect to say "British royalty". The royal line is English. The English are Anglo-Saxons from Germany. They came to England about the 5th Century. The British are descendants of the Britons from Phoenicia.

The above is from: British Israelism, A Short History of the Bi and Identity Movement by Doug Parsons (Proving there is no evidence that the 10 lost tribes of Israel went to Britain.)

Further, there is a 'collection' of information online, regarding Venice and its "alleged" relation to Phoenician and Babylonian oligarchical (government) and religious systems – see list below.

However, these authors seem to have no idea that Phoenicians had previously been in the British Isles since ancient times. Also, they make no distinctions between Jewish 'Venetians' and 'Venetians' of possible Phoenician origin. Did you know that Venetians established the Bank of England in 1694? These may have been Jewish(?) Venetians, and in any case, the Rothschilds could actually be their servants.

The main 'Venetian connections' are the parallels to two early-Phoenician qualities:

some degree of religious or Celtic similarity, referred to by Bible scholars as the "Babylonian Mystery Religion", and,

the similarity in oligarchical governments, that is,a government by a small circle of wealthy ruling families with a 'corporate' system of collective- dynastic investment banking (in the case of Venice, mis-named the "Venetian Republic").

Where these immortal banking treasuries went is an intentional mystery. Perhaps the central imperative is the sustenance of the bloodline of the ancient Babylonian 'God Kings' – the bloodline of Nimrod and Cain?

>>1730292

https://phoenicia.org/Venetians.html

>>1731370

Wrong. Ham was Caucasian.

>>1732024

What's your opinion of this (poorly made) video?

>>1732269

I'm the OP, and I'm no Q helper, just an anon with too much autism. I can't take credit for the idea, I saw it randomly in a thread once where people started thinking NORDIC… and it stuck in my mind for awhile.. It was only just yesterday that I was chatting with someone about the Phoenicians and on a lark I looked up what their ships looked like.

MIND BLOWN

Now I'm pretty much convinced that this has legs.

Nordic, of course, is a "modern" word for it.

>>1732340

Nothing to see here, carry on!

>>1732244

Can't help but see a big fish here

>>1732618

>>1733306

Not quite… at least not directly.. pirates were often working for the crown of the respective countries.

That being said, the crown themselves were already corrupted into the cabal

NAZI link

Chambers Encyclopaedia notes that "After 1200 B.C. the name of Canaanites vanished from history. They changed their name to Phoenician." Thus the most notorious and most hated people on earth received a new lease on life. The barbaric Canaanites had disappeared.

The more civilized Phoenicians, seemingly harmless merchant folk, took their place. Having obtained a monopoly on purple dye, which was highly prized throughout the ancient world, the Canaanites advertised their control over this product by calling themselves Phoenicians, from phoenicia (phoenikiea), the Greek word for purple. From the outset of their history, the Phoenician Canaanites always managed to get a monopoly on some essential product. They later had a monopoly on tin for some centuries, until the Greeks discovered tin in Cornwall in 233B.C. Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of Jesus, was said to have owned large tin mines in Cornwall. The change of name did not mean that the Canaanites had abandoned their worship of Baal and Ashtoreth. They became more prudent in their worship of Baal, and in the colonies which they established along the length of the Mediterranean, they built their temples to the female of the species, Ashtoreth. In the Egyptian city of Memphis, the Phoenician Temple of Ashotoreth was the largest religious edifice. She was known there as the wife of the supreme god, El, and his seventy deities. In their rituals, Ashtoreth was sometimes worshipped as the male demon,Astaroth, who survived in European rites as Astara or Ostara. In this form, he became the patron god of the Nazi movement in Germany.

>>1733430

We can try, what tattoo's were present?

>>1733824

I did a quick refresh on this topic. It's funny, on the one hand it's relegated to conspiracy theory. It's often cited that a court dismissed this argument as frivolous.

In recent years, a non-historically-based conspiracy argument used by tax protesters is that an American court displaying an American flag with a gold fringe is in fact an "admiralty court" and thus has no jurisdiction. Courts have repeatedly dismissed this as frivolous.[13]

If you read the reference it leads you here:

This is the flag of the United States of America. Under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 38(a), the plaintiff's claim of the pleading is in the Constitution of the United States of America, dated 1789, Article of the Ninth, for a hearing sworn by oath of the office. Army regulations 840-10, Chapter 21AB, states the flag of the United States will be of red, white, and blue with a star for each state and will be in the highest honored position over foreign flags and the president of the United States. Corporate flag of the fringe, by the law of the flag, the foreign flag of the fringe makes the jurisdiction foreign. Plaintiff is not an attorney of the law, plaintiff is a citizen and a party. How can a party plead to the matter by the subject in the court when the jurisdiction of venue, federal rules of court procedure, Rule 12(b) (3), has not been established or placed and erected plain under the flag with the fringe as to jurisdiction of the foreign power under the law of the flag? That the party is guilty until proven innocent, the Constitution of the United States rights are guaranteed to a citizen in the party innocent until proven guilty. Until the joinder of the federal rule of court procedure Rule 12(b) is established, no conversation can be understood.

ROA, Vol. III, at 72-73; see also id. at 73 (indicating that the district court responded by saying "I don't know what the purpose of that is [,] but if it's an objection to proceeding, it's overruled"). Later, believing that he and his attorney were not adequately prepared, Mackovich opted to "stand mute" and refused to testify in his own defense.

These developments do not demonstrate that the district court erred by refusing to halt the trial to reassess Mackovich's competence. It is true that " [e]ven when a defendant is competent at the commencement of his trial, a trial court must always be alert to circumstances suggesting a change that would render the accused unable to meet the standards of competence to stand trial." Drope, 420 U.S. at 181; accord Williams, 113 F.3d at 1160. Here, however, the district court's decision to proceed was not clearly erroneous for at least three reasons. First, Mackovich's "flag fringe" argument though indisputably frivolous was not indecipherable. Litigants in this circuit and elsewhere assert with some frequency that a flag adorned with yellow fringe is "foreign" and thus robs the trial court of jurisdiction. See Wacker v. Crow, No. 99-3071, 1999 WL 525905, at 1 (10th Cir. July 1, 1999) (unpublished disposition) (deeming "frivolous" the argument that the presence of a flag with yellow fringe precluded jurisdiction and "effectively commuted the district court into a foreign power"); Hancock v. Utah, No. 98-4139, 1999 WL 288251, at 1, 2, 3 (10th Cir. May 10, 1999) (unpublished disposition) (rejecting a plaintiff's argument that state officials "violated his right to due process by placing yellow fringe around the American flag"); Murray v. Wyoming, No. 98-8095, 1999 WL 140517, at *1 (10th Cir. Mar. 16, 1999) (unpublished disposition) (dismissing as "meritless" a plaintiff's argument that the district court and a state penitentiary lacked jurisdiction to adjudicate his claims "on the ground that both institutions display a flag with yellow fringe").2 Second, the district court did, in fact, briefly revisit the issue of competency after Mackovich complained about the flag. The district judge stated during trial that "earlier I had a competency hearing to decide on the competency of the defendant, and I ruled that he was competent, and my opinion has not changed."

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In other words, the court gets accused of not being legit, and the court says "of course we're legit, you silly man, and the fact that you can make that argument at least proves you are competent"

I'd be interested in seeing the fringe's origins and also the fringe on other flags.

I don't think the fringe matters, it's not like I see it on the flags when Obama was visiting other leaders

>>1734260

Now that is interesting. Maybe there is something to the purple clothes!

>>1734336

I like the idea, except there's no way they'd be able to see the hexagon on saturn from the earth due to it's orientation… unless of course that changed over the years.

I really don't think the Polar Configuration makes physical sense (that Saturn used to literally be our Sun)

Yet it is interesting that arguably the most holy planet ends up having a hexagon on it's pole.. and we "just" discovered that

>>1734372

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush

>>1734556

>>1734537

True true, the Judge must be laughing because theoretically, the second you take the judge seriously by arguing with him, you've already accepted the court's jurisdiction and any argument against it is contradictory and 'frivolous'

Notice that the Judge didn't explain why it was frivolous. I'd be interested in knowing that.

I think this is a bit of a slide to the main topic which is tracing the history of the Phoenicians. The only part that makes it interesting is the claim that it denotes the Law of the Sea, which of course would be a nod to the Phoenicians themselves. I'd love to see proof of that.

Beirut does little to hide the fact that they're Phoenicians, and oh look at that, the fucking red and white stripes!

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/lb-be-be.html

>>1738383

Nice try Phoenician descendant!

Explain the red white here

There are many other similarities we're finding beyond color

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30698-ancient-phoenicians-forefathers-of-vikings

Interesting debate here

>>1739327

If you're not into this idea feel free not to contribute

Holy fuck!

This whole page is interesting, but scroll to the very bottom and tell me if you see an interesting symbol…

http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html

>>1739500

Nordic is a more modern term for it, nephalim would certainly fit into this too as there is obviously a connection to the Hebrew scriptures

http://redqueenwhitequeen.com/articles/vikings.shtml

This guy is definitely on the same wavelength!

>>1739729

It might be easier to work backwards from Scandinavia to see how the roots of the Vikings might extend back to the Levant and Mesopotamia.

The Vikings weren't the Vikings when they arrived in Scandinavia from Central Asia, they were the Aesir and companion tribes the Vanir and the Erul. Viking was an Old Norse word meaning sea-expedition, and a vikingr was someone who partook in these expeditions. The word became affixed to the Norse invaders, probably by the Franks, and the name stuck.

Before migrating north to Scandinavia the Aesir had lived for countless centuries on and around the shores of the Sea of Azov on the north side of the Black Sea.

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Ah shit. Fucking fuck. Guess who else was on the north side of the black sea?

>>1739787

Abraham

Isaac

Jacob

Judah

Zerah

Dardanus (king of Acadia)

Erichthonius (king of Acadia)

Tros of Acadia

Ilus, founder of Troy

Laomedan (king of Troy)

Tithonius of Troy

(–skip generations–)

Thor, king of Thrace

(–skip generations–)

Bedwig of Sceaf

(–skip generations–)

Beaw (king in Denmark)

(–skip generations–)

Flocwald of Asgard

Finn the Trojan

Frithuwulf the Trojan

Frealaf

Frithuwald

Woden (Odin)

http://fabpedigree.com/s072/f114462.htm

Some of the above may or may not be mythological figures, I offer it simply to note the likelihood that the leaders of the proto-Vikings didn't migrate straight from Mesopotamia to Thrace/Anatolia, but took a side-route through Egypt. This is assuming that Dardanus was a son (or a descendant) of Zerah son of Judah. There is independant confirmation of this notion though, in the bible - where one of the sons of Zerah is in fact Darda. Then you have Danaus and Cadmus emmigrating to Greece from Egypt in myth and in the chronicles of Heroditus, and we can be pretty certain that a Dardanus really did found Dardania in western Anatolia on Mt. Ida, for the nearby Turkish Strait is known as the Dardanelles to this day. I should point out that if this genealogy of the Trojan and Viking kings is at all accurate, it would make them of the same stock as the Davidic priest-kings of Israel (and the Cimmerian-Salian Frank kings as well, as we shall see.)

Into where in this scenario, you might wonder, does Phoenicia fit?

There's some evidence that the birthplace of the biblical Abraham, normally accepted as having been Ur near Sumer, was in fact Ugarit, an ancient city which lied on the coast of modern Syria just north of what was then Phoenicia.

>>1740549

After the fall of Troy the once great Trojan kingdom appears to have broken up, many of its more adventurous tribes setting out to find fortune elsewhere, the proto-Vikings among them.

After all this Troy business I can't help but conclude by pointing out that the leader of the Templar Knights Hughes de Payen (literally Hugh "the pagan") and possibly a couple of other founding Templars hailed from the Champagne region of France where their mentor Bernard of Clairveaux built his monestary. The capital of Champagne was and still is … Troyes.

>>1739787

>Guess who else was on the north side of the black sea?

Khazars

>>1742565

From Holocaust of Giants..

https://youtu.be/ojiOLBt7q_Y?t=418

(time stampped)

This documentary says Phoe = Red, not purple.

https://youtu.be/ojiOLBt7q_Y?t=794

Evidence that Phoenician == Venetian

GLASS MAKERS

>>1064287

23andMe.

Anne Wojcicki.

Spouse?

Why is this relevant?

Q

Are they trying to find the Phoenecians?

>>1747112

[Stanely] Wojcicki was born in Warsaw, Poland, the son of Janina Wanda Ewa Wójcicka (née Kozłowska), a bibliographer, and Franciszek Wójcicki, a lawyer.[1][4] He and his brother fled from Poland to Sweden with his mother at the age of 12, when communists came to power.[5]

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Oh look at that, her Dad fled from Poland to SWEDEN to escape the commies.

>>1742565

>>1739551

Perhaps the "pedo" swirl isn't just talking about little boys.

What if the swirl actually indicates "Phoenicians Welcome"

My theory is that it's a Phoenician symbol that represents the Maelstrom which is a common thing they would see on the sea

>>1754101

I'll check into that! Rumour has it they found Phoenician writing in Michigan too.

Makes me wonder about the Mayans

Consider that the Phoenician alphabet was basically diverged from Hieroglyphs. Makes me wonder further about their origins, likely Egypt itself. How convenient that Egypt was the only culture to relatively survive the Bronze Age collapse!

>>1754157

I'll check it out but can you give a few thoughts on the concept?

>>1754749

Ok I'll have an open mind here, but the way I've been interpreting this is quite a bit different. I'm not the guy you were originally responding to.

I was thinking that the Canaanites are truly evil people, who have been literally meddling with history forever. They've taken different names, but always integrate and degrade cultures. They're very fucking smart, and loyal. They maintain communication and sacred rites through mystery religions and secret societies. They're NOT Jews, but they do pretend to be so that they can claim anti-Semite whenever they're criticised. They HATE the Jews, and rightly so… the Jews tried to wipe them out! Ever since then they've been trying to make the Jews lives a living hell and have been behind all the genocide (exaggerated or not)

I've so far traced the Canaanites (VERY LOOSELY) thus:

Egypt Canaan > Bronze Age collapse > Phoenician > Expansion all over including England, Africa, and possibly the New World > Troy falls > Black Sea > Khazaria (the so called 'fake Jews' right? exactly) > Scandinavia > Vikings > European Nobility and Black Nobility > "Christopher Columbus" > Pirates > America

I'm really thinking the evidence lines up that way, but feel free to contradict if you wish

>>1754880

PS. not trying to sound snobby, you seem like you've already given this topic a lot of thought

>>1755146

Holy shit, that's not even a red pill, that's like an intergalactic sun pill or something.

Love it. In fact, I've been LONG thinking this way. In fact, a few months ago i was bullshitting around in the General thread about how I think Q's "Great Awakening" has to do with DNA. That "Noah" didn't actually have animals on the Ark, he took DNA samples of everything then cloned them back. That there was some rejuvenating plant in Eden that allowed Humans to live pretty much forever (as a Robot could with continual maintenance). Humans still had access to this plant until the "flood" when it was removed, as per the line "My spirit cannot always abide with man, his age will be limited to 120 years", and sure enough I don't think we've ever recorded anyone living 120 years (but many have come close).

The way you tell the story is intriguing and not quite like I've heard it before. It's speckled with more interesting details that I've never considered. I've never considered that Enlil actually made his own version of human. Or perhaps, hacked Enki's DNA code and injected his own "spirit". When reading this, part of me thinks of Enki being a true genius and Enlil not as talented but able to at least hack things together (so he would never be a true creator, instead he was something like a Demiurge)

Who is Jesus in this mix? Probably Enki himself?

Who were the Gnostics?

How do you reconcile then to all the fossils? The Dinosaurs and such? Were those naturally here already, and Enki's "Ark" had a few of his other favourite pets? Or did Enki create it all?

And finally, what of the Phoenician theory? They were the original Canaanites that the Israelite's were told to genocide, and that YHWH would punish them if they didn't. Pretty fucking harsh commandment. But they did try! Told to slaughter them all, man/woman/child. Brutal. But they didn't die, and they migrated north to Lebanon/Syria, where they then built up the greatest trading empire of the late bronze age.

In other words, my challenge to you is to help me understand how the other cultures of that era mix in with this epic battle between the two cabals.

Thank you for your fascinating input!! I'm really glad you posted because I've literally been thinking about almost EXACTLY what you wrote here for YEARS.

>>1731476

(Ok so first of all, fuck vox. And fuck this soy boy.)

…but this video is interesting given the context we're exploring here.

He thinks that "snail" is just an insult because they're slow and slimy. Except he also makes the claim that the snails represent the Lombards.

Oh boy!!! Wait a fucking second!!!!

What made the Phoenicians so powerful? SNAILS. And these snails became the emblem of all the royalty in Europe and beyond.

So now, ask yourself, WHY are these valiant knights fighting lowly snails?

>>1758077

> the Israelites figured out quickly that mass slaughter was not the most effective way to destroy a people

Exactly. You can't actually conquer a person. They will always resent the occupiers and run an insurgency. It's impossible. Much smarter to control the culture.

That's why when people scoff about the "illuminati" controlling music and movies, they shouldn't. The war is inside you.

>Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "If you can't beat em', join em'!"

Parasitic Invasion

Most of you probably already know about this.

But Trump has some "interesting art" in his penthouse.

This guy actually does a pretty good job at summarising the evidence that the Phoenicians probably made it to America

It's two parts, and very short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VTjhpdJJVU

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1027766461&feature=iv&src_vid=5VTjhpdJJVU&v=4gAmfT3zQn8

Which makes me wonder.. I don't think the Phoenicians built the Mayan pyramids or anything. But I do think they knew they were there. I think the Phoenicians/Canaanites came from Egypt and knew the true history of the world and knew the shared past that Egypt had with South America. Thus they wanted to go back and explore.

Why wouldn't they announce it to the world? Why would they? They probably financed all their "Black Ops" with gold from the new world….

>>1759699

WTF are you talking about? This is legit research. The Great Awakening is about the true history of the human race. None of us are shills.

If we were, why would we consolidate into a separate thread? Why wouldn't we just insist on spamming the General thread with our ideas?

You don't make any sense. Go away.

>>1759699

PS thanks for this list of other threads somewhat related to this topic, very helpful!

>>1760550

>going on for decades

You're precious

>>1760675

I don't agree with that at all. And I would caution about making this thread about generalising about the Jews.

You can do this same argument about any group. Any group. When they have bad actors, you say "why aren't the good actors stopping it!" and therefore imply that there are no good actors at all?

Most Jews have likely bought into the persecution narrative so of course get pretty touchy at anything that even sounds remotely anti-semetic. I can't blame them. That doesn't make them bad people, or even in on the plot.

Look at this from Bin Ladin's perspective. He'd think the same about any American. They're all complicit because they didn't hang their leaders for bombing the middle east.

We're not going to go down that route here. I'm hoping for timelines and facts and we can figure out conclusions later

>>1760839

Clogging up a board with infinite space? Again, we're not clogging up General, that's why we're talking SPECIFICALLY here.

Anyhoo, filtered.

>>1761301

You really think this is just about America then you haven't been paying attention.

LURK MOAR

Q

!UW.yye1fxo

22 Dec 2017 - 11:12:33 PM

2011 Shuttle Program terminated by Hussein.

US loses space dominance.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/09/obama-administration-knew-about-north-koreas-miniaturized-nukes.html

IRAN Nuke deal.

NK Nuke/Missile Tech.

SpaceX.

NASA Tech to ?

HRC SAPs (private server).

Connected.

$$$,$$$,$$$.00 (pockets).

EYE OF RA.

Left eye [marker].

Symbolism.

EVIL.

STUPID.

JUSTICE.

Q

>>127237

We have tremendous WW support.

SATAN has left the WH.

Day of days.

Q

Q

!ITPb.qbhqo

22 Nov 2017 - 2:47:21 PM

Ancient Egyptians considered gold “the skin of the gods” – specifically the sun god Ra – and often used it to craft objects of spiritual significance.

Why is this relevant?

Q

Q

!ITPb.qbhqo

21 Nov 2017 - 8:07:58 PM

Their need for symbolism will be their downfall.

Follow the Owl & Y head around the world.

Identify and list.

They don’t hide it.

They don’t fear you.

You are sheep to them.

You are feeders.

Godfather III.

Q

What does the "Owl" represent to certain cults?

Q

Q

!ITPb.qbhqo

11 Nov 2017 - 9:29:35 PM

Hard to swallow.

Important to progress.

Who are the puppet masters?

House of Saud (6+++) - $4 Trillion+

Rothschild (6++) - $2 Trillion+

Soros (6+) - $1 Trillion+

Focus on above (3).

Public wealth disclosures – False.

Many governments of the world feed the ‘Eye’.

Think slush funds (feeder).

Think war (feeder).

Think environmental pacts (feeder).

Triangle has (3) sides.

Eye of Providence.

Follow the bloodlines.

What is the keystone?

Does Satan exist?

Does the ‘thought’ of Satan exist?

Who worships Satan?

What is a cult?

Epstein island.

What is a temple?

What occurs in a temple?

Worship?

Why is the temple on top of a mountain?

How many levels might exist below?

What is the significance of the colors, design and symbol above the dome?

Why is this relevant?

Who are the puppet masters?

Have the puppet masters traveled to this island?

When? How often? Why?

“Vladimir Putin: The New World Order Worships Satan”

Q

>>1761377

I've been notable dozens of times. I've even influenced the structure of the breads. Several of my memes are still being pasted.

GTFO, stop "clogging up" our discussion.

>>1761429

Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: c2ded6 No.1184271 📁

Apr 25 2018 15:33:17 (EST)

Are you awake?

Do you SEE (for yourself) the MSM = propaganda tool of the LEFT?

Do you SEE FB/Twitter/GOOG censoring non LEFT POVs?

Do you SEE the corruption?

Do you SEE the EVIL?

Are you a SLAVE?

Are you CONTROLLED?

Are you a SHEEP?

ARE YOU AWAKE?

DO YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF?

LEARN THE TRUTH.

FACTS.

HISTORY.

THE GREAT AWAKENING.

THEY ARE LOSING CONTROL.

RESPECT OPINION OR ATTACK THOSE WHO DARE CHALLENGE THE NARRATIVE?

IT’S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

WHO ARE THE TRUE FASCISTS?

WHO ARE THE TRUE RACISTS?

WHY DOES THE ANTIFA FLAG MIMIC THAT OF THE NAZIS?

COINCIDENCE?

FOR HUMANITY - WAKE UP - LEARN.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

WHERE WE GO ONE, WE GO ALL!

Q

>>1761489

Now that's interesting, I didn't catch that before. Generations are usually considered to be 20 years, so that's 2000 years. Which is about when the Phoenicians power (as an empire) waned for good.

>>1761942

I assure you I'm not Jewish. Anyway, it's not the point of this thread to wonder why Jews act like X Y Z. I'm hoping we can trace peoples migrations, symbols, and other stuff throughout history to make connections first, conclusions second. You already have conclusions, and that's fine, but maybe help contribute by outlining some facts that can contribute to this timeline.

The hypothesis on this thread is NORDIC world order. So it's exploring the notion that the Vikings represent some midpoint between a cabal that has been working for a long long time. I think it makes a fuckload of sense to think that they descend from the ancient Canaanites, and further back to Egypt.

It has been argued by some prominent historians that Israel never invaded Canaan. They evolved out of the Canaanite culture and for some reason manufactured an epic past for themselves. Which would, in essence, make the Phoenicians a brand of Jewish.

>>1766844

>The first Roman literature appeared around 240 B.C., with translations of Greek classics into Latin; Romans would eventually adopt much of Greek art, philosophy and religion.

That late eh? So what was their religion for the first 600 or so years?

Interesting how they tried to obliterate the Phoenicians in the Punic wars

>>1766916

Thank you for posting this history! Great little summary of Rome.

So how do we connect the dots here?

1200bc bronze age collapse allows the Phoenicians to establish a sea based trading empire. 400 years later Rome is founded and it soon becomes a major force to recken with. What's their religion at the beginning? Similar to Phoenician? Eventually they grow large and strong, adopt Greek religion and soon turn on Phoenicians in the Punic wars.

The founding of Rome is fucking ridiculous, so what really happened there?

>>1777020

No kidding. I'm OP and I assure you I have no motivation other than finding the truth and connecting the dots. No bias exists. And I'm certainly not (((them)))

I think some of these posts have been stellar! So proud of everyanon here!

The original Sumerian script was adapted for the writing of the Semitic Akkadian (Assyrian/Babylonian), Eblaite and Amorite languages, the language isolates Elamite, Hattic, Hurrian and Urartian, as well as Indo-European languages Hittite and Luwian; it inspired the later Semitic Ugaritic alphabet as well as Old Persian cuneiform. Cuneiform writing was gradually replaced by the Phoenician alphabet during the Neo-Assyrian Empire (911–612 BC). By the second century AD, the script had become extinct, its last traces being found in Assyria and Babylonia, and all knowledge of how to read it was lost until it began to be deciphered in the 19th century.

Between half a million[6] and two million cuneiform tablets are estimated to have been excavated in modern times, of which only approximately 30,000[7]–100,000 have been read or published. The British Museum holds the largest collection (c. 130,000), followed by the Vorderasiatisches Museum Berlin, the Louvre, the Istanbul Archaeology Museums, the National Museum of Iraq, the Yale Babylonian Collection (c. 40,000) and Penn Museum. Most of these have "lain in these collections for a century without being translated, studied or published,"[6] as there are only a few hundred qualified cuneiformists in the world.[7]

—

Holy shit. How much secret history is hidden in a museum on an untranslated Sumerian tablet?

Ok guys! We need to dig into Babylon!! Egypt might not be the origin

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An alternative suggestion put forward by Ephraim Avigdor Speiser in 1936 derives the term from Hurrian Kinahhu, purportedly referring to the colour purple, so that Canaan and Phoenicia would be synonyms ("Land of Purple"). Tablets found in the Hurrian city of Nuzi in the early 20th century appear to use the term Kinahnu as a synonym for red or purple dye, laboriously produced by the Kassite rulers of Babylon from murex shells as early as 1600 BC, and on the Mediterranean coast by the Phoenicians from a byproduct of glassmaking. Purple cloth became a renowned Canaanite export commodity which is mentioned in Exodus. The dyes may have been named after their place of origin. The name 'Phoenicia' is connected with the Greek word for "purple", apparently referring to the same product, but it is difficult to state with certainty whether the Greek word came from the name, or vice versa. The purple cloth of Tyre in Phoenicia was well known far and wide and was associated by the Romans with nobility and royalty. However, according to Robert Drews, Speiser's proposal has generally been abandoned.[9][10]

>>1789714

I'm starting to think that we're dealing with Sumerian/Babylon mystery religion

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However, when Sargon I (1920–1881 BC) succeeded as king in Assyria in 1920 BC, he eventually withdrew Assyria from the region, preferring to concentrate on continuing the vigorous expansion of Assyrian colonies in Anatolia and the Levant, and eventually southern Mesopotamia fell to the Amorites, a Northwest Semitic-speaking people from the northern Levant. During the first centuries of what is called the "Amorite period", the most powerful city states in the south were Isin, Eshnunna and Larsa, together with Assyria in the north.

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Levant = Canaan

>>1792366

Holy shit man! Notable! This is why we're digging in this.

We need to rethink everything we think we've been told about this era, because lazy historians seeking tenure and sneaky historians hiding truth have been strangleholding this forever.

Theres so few that actually speak the ancient languages and therefore the truth is so easy to manipulate.

So if not Molech, then who or what are they doing this for? What's really going on?

>>1792377

Ginsberg?! Where have I heard that name before! I wonder if there's any relation…

Does Phoenician really refer to purple? I'm starting to think historians have put the cart before the horse here because they say it's a Greek word for purple. But that doesn't make sense, since the Phoenician empire predates the Greek and Roman empires by hundreds of years and in fact Greek and Roman writing comes from the Phoenicians. So what the fuck does "Phoe" really mean?

http://www.lgic.org/en/phoenicians.php

>Canaanites

>The recorded history shows a group of coastal cities and heavily forested mountains inhabited by a Semitic people, the Canaanites, around 4000 BC. These early inhabitants referred to themselves according to their city of origin, and called their nation Canaan. They lived in the narrow East-Mediterranean coast and the parallel strip mountains of Lebanon. Around 2800 BC Canaanites traded cedar timber, olive oil and wine from Byblos for metals and ivory from Egypt.

>Phoenicians/Canaanites

>The Canaanites who inhabited that area were called Phoenicians by the Greeks (from the Greek word phoinos, meaning ‘red’) in a reference to the unique purple dye the Phoenicians produced from murex seashells. The Phoenicians mastered the art of navigation and dominated the Mediterranean Sea trade for around 500 years. They excelled in producing textiles, carving ivory, working with metal and glass. The Phoenicians built several local cities East Mediterranean among which: Byblos, Tyre, Sidon, Berytus (Beirut), Tripoli, Arvad Island-City, Baalbek and Caesarea.

Ok, so… Phoenician is a name bestowed upon them by the Greeks? Except, the Greeks pretty much owe their civilisation to the 'so called' Phoenicians? What did the Phoenicians actually call themselves? This seems really fucked up. Something isn't adding up here. I also hear that it might be a racial slur:

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/299196/are-the-words-phoenix-denoting-the-bird-and-phoenicia-cognate

>Ancient Greek Φοῖνιξ Phoenician probably represents a use of ϕοῖνιξ dark red (adjective and noun) < ϕοινός red (perhaps originally blood-red < the same Indo-European base as bane n.1) + -ικ-, suffix forming nouns. The chief sense of ϕοῖνιξ in Greek is dark red, tawny (e.g. of a bay horse, of a rusty-red river); the sense ‘purple’ appears to be secondary. The use of this word for the Phoenicians is therefore probably to be explained as denoting reddish or tanned people, rather than those who imported purple dye (for which the Greek word was πορϕύρα: see purpure n. and adj.).

Interesting thought.. but also, there's this, it could be referring to the Timber, think cedars of Lebanon:

>An alternative view is that Ancient Greek Φοῖνιξ represents an assimilation to the form of the ancient Greek adjective of a derivative of the Semitic word for the madder plant Rubia tinctorum, Arabic fūwa, apparently related to Hebrew puwwāh, pū'āh, the name of a clan of the tribe of Issachar, which has the gentilic form pūnī. However, the ancient Egyptian word fnḫw is attested very much earlier (from about 2300 b.c. onwards) as a word for the countries of the eastern Mediterranean seaboard, and is also related to a word meaning ‘carpentering’, which appears significant in view of the fact that Phoenicia was the chief source of good timber for Egypt.

Now what I find super fascinating is the "Phoenix". From what I'm learning, the Phoenix is merely a symbolic bird of these people. If these people are basically lumberjacks, it makes sense that they would take on this personae. Think about it like this, a forest must burn to be reborn, and it's reborn better each time. Same with the Phoenix. Lives 500 years then is turned to ash and then arises. Just like a forest. Now think about all the fuckery these peoples may have been actually causing throughout time… burning down and collapsing societies so that they can arise anew? It's their mother fucking M.O.

(Picture is the coat of arms for the University of Chicago)

>>1797037

One more thought. It just hit me after posting that, and thinking about the Moloch information about "passing through fire"…

Moloch related to Phoenix perhaps?

Literally going out on a limb here, would be interesting if there's some relationship. If Moloch never existed as a deity, perhaps the concept is a confusion of the Phoenix. Burn your kids as an offering and they will rise again in some other form? Not sure. Just spitballin'

>>1797037

Here we go. Found my answer. They're not Phoenician! They're Sidonian:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/phoenicia-phoenicians-jewish-virtual-library

> The Greek name Phoinike (Phoinix) is first mentioned by Homer, and is subsequently well attested in the writings of Greek historians who consistently refer it to the eastern Mediterranean coast; in Homer, Phoenician is synonymous with Sidonian. Though the exact extent of the region called Phoenicia cannot be determined, the name is clearly the Greek equivalent of Canaan. One should also compare the Septuagint's at times mechanical translation of Canaan(ite) by Phoenicia(n) in Exodus 6:15; 16:35; Joshua 5:1, 12; and Job 40:30; as well as the parallel passages Mark 7:26 (Syro-Phoenician) and Matthew 15:22 (Canaanite); and the replacement of Canaan by Phoenicia in coins of the second century (see below). Some scholars derive the Greek name from phoinix, "crimson, purple," so that Phoinike is "the land of purple" (see *Canaan). Another possibility is to derive the Greek from Egyptian fenkhu, "loggers," "woodcutters," in keeping with the Phoenician foresting of the cedars of Lebanon. The Bible (I Kings 5:20) informs us how skilled the Sidonians were at lumberjacking (Scandon and Xella apud Krings, 632).

>>1797181

https://www.ancient.eu/sidon/

>Sidon is the Greek name (meaning 'fishery’) for the ancient Phoenician port city of Sidonia (also known as Saida) in what is, today, Lebannon (located about 25 miles south of Beirut). Along with the city of Tyre, Sidon was the most powerful city-state of ancient Phoenicia and first manufactured the purple dye which made Tyre famous and was so rare and expensive that the color purple became synonymous with royalty. The area of Sidon was inhabited as early as 4,000 BCE and Homer, in the 8th century, notes the skill of the Sidonians in producing glass. Glass production made Sidon both rich and famous and the city was known for being very cosmopolitan and 'progressive’. The Princess Jezebel, who later would become Queen of Israel (as related in the biblical Books of I and II Kings) was the daughter of the King of Sidon, Ethbaal in the 9th century BCE, and married King Ahab of Israel to cement ties between the two kingdoms. The city is mentioned a number of times throughout the Bible and both Jesus and St. Paul are reported to have made visits there. Sidon is considered the 'seat’ of the Phoenician Civilization in that most of the ships which would ply the seas and spread Phoenician culture were launched from this city’s port. Sidon was overthrown during the conquest of Phoenicia by Alexander the Great in 332 BCE and, like the rest of the fractured Phoenician civilization, was eventually absorbed by Rome and, finally, taken by the Arab Muslims.

Bingo. I'm trying to find a red/white association with this city but that's proving difficult.

A thought has crossed my mind though.

Is it possible that 9/11 was an excuse to excavate ancient Phoenicia & Babylon? Remember how the Iraq Museum was looted? Why not just do it, you may ask? Because if you discover something naturally, you'd have to announce it to the world. If you extract artefacts under the cover of war, then no one will notice or care. If anyone notices you can just say "Oh we're preserving ancient art from the bombs" and likely no one will care to ask what this art is exactly. As we speak, the powers at be really want Syria to get "hot". ISIS was pretty keen on destroying ancient art, which gives impetus to get in there quick to 'preserve' it… My spidey senses are tingling.

Relating to Q, most people would never believe that these wars, and the reason Peace in the Middle East, is so impossible is because of a culture from 1200BC and the secrets that remain hidden

>>1797480

You're not paying attention to anything in this thread.

If you want to call it the Jews, fine. Call it whatever you like. But it's clear that it's actually "The Canaanites", from which the Jews emerged.

Regardless, it's clear that there's been a secret cabal operating at the highest level since this time and likely before. They cause collapse and take advantage of the chaos.

But go ahead and call it "MUH JOOs" and just get ignored and labelled anti-semitic, and have all your research be thrown out by most people.

The history of this region is completely fucked up and doesn't add up, we're trying to reconstruct it in a sensible way that explains how this evolved into the mess we're dealing with today.

>>1797364

https://youtu.be/OvT56PJHPfQ?t=216

Watch at this time stamp

Reason for the Mid East wars?

Only 1 million found.. only 25% deciphered…

Region around Iraq 100 MILLION MORE buried in the ground?!

What are we hoping to find? Lost knowledge. But of what?

If the Phoenecians still exist 'underground', then surely their mystery cults such as Freemasons would already know as this would have been preserved through the ages. So they know exactly what they're looking for, they just need more details? I dunno.. Crazy idea…

What if the Phoenix is real? And the Phoenix is the cabal itself?

>>1799651

That's right

History

In the Old Assyrian Empire, Assyria established colonies in Asia Minor and the Levant and, under king Ilushuma, it asserted itself over southern Mesopotamia (what was later to become Babylonia). The first written inscriptions by urbanized Assyrian kings appear c. 2450 BC, after they had shrugged off Sumerian domination. The land of Assyria as a whole then consisted of a number of city-states and small Semitic-speaking kingdoms, some of which were initially independent of Assyria. The foundation of the first major temple in the city of Aššur was traditionally ascribed to king Ushpia who reigned c. 2050 BC, possibly a contemporary of Ishbi-Erra of Isin and Naplanum of Larsa. He was reputedly succeeded by kings named Apiashal, Sulili, Kikkiya and Akiya (died c. 2026 BC), of whom little is known, apart from much later mentions of Kikkiya conducting fortifications on the city walls, and building work on temples in Aššur.

Between c. 2500 BC and c. 2400 BC, Assyrian kings were pastoral leaders. The main rivals, neighbors or trading partners to early Assyrian kings between c. 2200 BC and c. 2000 BC would have been the Hattians and Hurrians to the north in Asia Minor, the Gutians, Lullubi and Turukku to the east in the Zagros Mountains of northwest Ancient Iran, the Elamites to the southeast in what is now south central Iran, the Amorites to the west in what is today Syria, and their fellow Sumero-Akkadian city-states of southern Mesopotamia such as Isin, Kish, Ur, Eshnunna and Larsa.[2] Around 2400 BC, the Assyrians became subject to Sargon of Akkad, who united all the Sumero-Akkadian-speaking peoples of Mesopotamia under the Akkadian Empire, which lasted from c. 2334 BC to c. 2154 BC.[3] At that time, the Sumerians were eventually absorbed into the Akkadian (Assyro-Babylonian) population.[4][5] Assyria became a regionally powerful nation in the Old Assyrian Empire from c. 2100 BC to c. 1800 BC.

The Amorites had overrun the kingdoms of southern Mesopotamia and the Levant between c. 2100 BC and c. 1900 BC, but had hitherto been successfully repelled by the Assyrian kings during this period. However, Erishum II (c. 1818 BC – c. 1809 BC) was to be the last king of the dynasty of Puzur-Ashur I, founded c. 2025 BC. In c. 1808 BC he was deposed and the throne of Assyria was usurped by Shamshi-Adad I (c. 1809 BC – 1776 BC) in the expansion of Amorite tribes from the Khabur River delta in the north eastern Levant.

>>1800039

Consider that the masses couldn't read or write back then. Writing was only for the elite. Religious texts required a priest to explain to you.

Sure, many might be banal inventories for merchants.

But everything else is likely ancient elite diaries

>>1801374

https://youtu.be/bRcu-ysocX4?t=3223

Watch this at the timestamp. The whole thing is interesting. Feel free to go back a few minutes too for the start of his conclusions.

>>1802477

I'm not quite sure what the link is to Communism yet. They have the red, but love the color yellow as well. The "Star" is mysterious, with no official explanation.

I would guess that the cabal originally expected Communism to take over the world. That WW2 was supposed to be won by Russia, but Hitler went off script when he attacked them. Hitler NEVER could have won WW2, no matter what. WW2 was manufactured for Communism to take over the world. Europe was supposed to exhaust themselves and then Russia was going to come in an sweep up the mess after all the armies were exhausted.

That failed, so the cold war started.

But then the cold war ended. The cabal realised that Communism is probably not going to get another chance. So plan B was to capitalise the socialists and socialise the capitalists. That's why the Rothschilds didn't bother to have a bank in China until after the wall fell. Right now they're probably trying to expose the greed loophole inherent in Capitalism and use China to exploit and eventually control all the wealth of the so-called free world.

I think the plan is easy to hypothesize, but I'm not yet able to link the symbols down to the Phoenician cabal. Heck, they might be false flagging completely by generating a completely new symbology to ensure maximum confusion.

>>1804581

Yes there is an interesting connection there. One thing to note is that the Phoenicians came to prominence 600 years before that, taking advantage of the void caused by the Bronze Age collapse.

I'm trying to figure out if the Canaanites originally came from Babylon or Egypt back then.

That being said, it's interesting that when the Jews came back to Canaan they returned with a book called the Torah. The story goes that they wrote down their oral traditions to make sure that they didn't lose them in captivity. Odd, though, how there are many parallels to Sumerian myths that were no doubt in vogue in Babylon

>>1804712

http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-statue-of-liberty-and-statue-of-freedom-american-babylonianism/

> Ishtar was introduced to the Greeks as Astarte through the Phoenicians

ISHTAR: Goddess of Liberty and Personal Freedom

Ishtar was introduced to the Greeks as Astarte through the Phoenicians. We can see that the lineage of the Greek and Roman goddess of the planet Venus goes all the way back to ancient Babylon of around 3,000 BC. Apparently the Greeks (and later the Romans) chose to initially honor only one portion of Ishtar’s character and doctrines that appealed to them in those very early years before they established empires. Ishtar’s doctrine of personal freedom was what really impressed both the Greeks and the Romans. They therefore chose to worship just that aspect of her character. As time passed, the succeeding generations of Greeks found the other Ishtar doctrines to be appealing and incorporated her into their pantheon of deities as Astarte or Aphrodite. Later still, the Romans did the same and referred to her as Venus.

It seems that the allure of Ishtar was her doctrine of holy sex or salvation by holy sexual relations with a temple priestess or priest as a means of purification and holiness. Of course, this entailed paying the priestess or priest and thus it was officially sanctioned and therefore “holy” prostitution. Ishtar introduced that whole concept to the human race. This is why she was referred to as the Mother of Harlots. Harlots had been deemed to be social outcasts so she was also referred to as the Mother of exiles. This was later equated with the idea of immigration. Naturally then Ishtar (a.k.a.– Libertas) was known as the Mother of Harlots, the Mother of Exiles and the Mother of immigrants throughout not only Babylon and Babylonia but also later Assyria, Egypt, Greece and Rome.

What was Ishtar’s legacy in Babylon? She was the chief goddess of Babylon and all of Babylonia. There was no other goddess more honored than she. She was equated to have nearly the same power as the chief god of Babylon, the sun god Utu, also known as Shamesh. In later years, the chief male deities would flip-flop in popularity. The most famous and prominent during the times of Israel’s nationhood was “Baal.” [Baal was also called Marduk/Mardok/Merodach/Bel] Baal was identified with the planet Mars and was called the god of War. His name meant “Lord of the air” for his superior powers and the supremacy of the air. It was claimed that he as well as Ishtar and all the other deities “flew” among and from the “stars in heaven.”

Ishtar was a multi-faceted deity. She was first and foremost endeared to the hearts and minds of Babylonians because of her primary dedication to Freedom and Liberty. She was also considered the Mother of Prostitution or Harlotry…and it was considered “holy.” Why? Ishtar introduced the concept of removal of sins by the practice of the sinner engaging in a “holy” rite of sexual relations with a priestess or priest. This action would involve the payment of money to the priestess or priest as part of the cleansing process. It was an offering of thanksgiving for the purification. This is the very first instance of Prostitution in human history.

Ishtar was also known as the goddess of war because she fights for freedom and liberty. She was also known as the goddess of victory because there is no freedom without victory. She was also known as the goddess of love because of her sexuality and her promotion of all types of sexual perversion in the name of freedom. Her motto was “if it feels good, do it.” Didn’t we hear that same idea as a theme song during the 1960s? She was also the goddess of the planet Venus. She was a goddess who “flew among the stars” and so therefore was called the Queen of Heaven or Lady of Heaven.

>>1804581

Worth noting that Abraham is almost certainly a Babylonian, who travelled to Canaan, and also spent some time in Egypt to escape a famine (and who's the Goddess of Agriculture.. hmm)

>>1806107

>>1809729

I've been thinking about this and my only thought is so what? The bible itself said there were 12 Tribes of Judah and most of them were quite naughty and didn't follow God and even worshipped other gods.

So there are many varieties of "Jew" that it's ridiculous to blame it all on all and any Jew

>>1812386

http://www.cuttingedge.org/free12.html

THE DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE

This symbol is probably the most easily recognizable Masonic symbol in the world, even more important than the Compass/Square/Rule. Most people assume that these two birds are Eagles, but such an assumption would be deadly wrong. These two birds are the Phoenix Bird of Ancient Egyptian Mythology. Listen to the explanation from Masonic author, Manly P. Hall, 33 Degree, K.T., in his book, The Phoenix: An Illustrated Review of Occultism and Philosophy . [Before we begin, I find it highly interesting that Hall would admit, by his use of this title, that Freemasonry is occultic].

"Among the ancients a fabulous bird called the Phoenix is described by early writers … in size and shape it resembles the eagle, but with certain differences. The body of the Phoenix is one covered with glossy purple feathers, and the plumes in its tail are alternately blue and red. The head of the bird is light in color, and about its neck is a circlet of golden plumage. At the back of its back the Phoenix has a crest of feathers of brilliant color … The Phoenix, it is said, lives for 500 years, and at its death its body opens and the new born Phoenix emerges. Because of this symbolism, the Phoenix is generally regarded as representing immortality and resurrection … The Phoenix is one sign of the secret orders of the ancient world and of the initiate of those orders, for it was common to refer to one who had been accepted into the temples as a man twice-born, or reborn. Wisdom confers a new life, and those who become wise are born again." [p. p. 176-77]

Let us stop right here to examine Satan's counterfeit "Born Again" experience. Freemasons, as do all occultists, refer to their initiates who have completed their initiation, as being "Born Again". I will never forget 1988, when George Bush was on the Presidential Campaign Trail; he was being interviewed by Barbara Walters, and she posed him a question which evidently caught him off guard. Walters asked Bush if he was a Christian. Bush visibly faltered, cast his eyes down for a moment, and then answered, "If by being a Christian, you ask if I am 'Born Again', then yes, I am a Christian". I came straight out of my chair because no truly Born Again Christian would have parsed their words so carefully. However, an occultist, which Bush certainly was by virtue of his life-long membership in the Illuminist Masonic secret society of Skull & Bones, would have answered precisely this way. Occultists claim to be Born Again , and they are filled with religious ecstasy when the spirit of Lucifer sweeps through them upon Initiation.

Now, let us return to our discussion of this Phoenix Bird. Listen to the explanation given by a radical feminist, Barbara Walker, in her occult book, Now Is The Dawning , p. 281. Egyptians believed that the Phoenix was the representative of a god who "rose to heaven in the form of a morning star, like Lucifer, after his fire-immolation of death and rebirth …"

Wow! In one sweet, short, and simple sentence, we have conclusive proof that the Phoenix bird is a symbol of Lucifer !

>>1812573

To prevent most people from associating the Masonic Eagle with the ancient Phoenix, Freemasons changed the Phoenix to an Eagle, and began to refer to it as an Eagle. However, two Masonic authors blow the lid off that change in symbolism.

Manly P. Hall, in his book, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry , states, "These were the immortals to whom the term 'phoenix' was applied, and their symbol was the mysterious two-headed bird, now called an eagle , a familiar and little understood Masonic emblem ." [p. 108; Emphasis added]

Albert Pike, in Magnum Opus, writes, "… the Eagle was the living Symbol of Egyptian God Mendes … and the representative of the Sun …" [p. xviii]

In one sentence, we see the admission that the Phoenix Bird of Ancient Satanic Egypt was changed into the Masonic Eagle and then Pike admits that the Eagle is the Symbol of the Sun God and of the God of Mendes, both symbols being common Satanic symbols of Satan/Lucifer !

Remember also the Satanic meaning of the phrase depicted below the symbol depicted below the Eagles – "DEUS MEUMQUE JUS". As we explained in free11, this is a typical Satanic Latin phrase, meaning, "… Masons are saying that they are "using occult methods", through Lucifer, to achieve their Rights and Justice." [Read free11 for full details]

But why a two-headed Eagle be adopted by Masonry, instead of only a one-headed Eagle? Masonic author, R. Swinburne Clymer, writing in The Mysteries of Osiris , 1951, explains. "When they [pagans] desired to express the renewal, or beginning, of the year, they represented it in the form of a door-keeper. It could easily be distinguished by the attributes of a key … At times, they gave it two heads, back to back … In time, this [back-to-back key symbol] became the double-headed Eagle of symbolic Masonry." [p. 42]

>>1812814

Well just like Q is saying, it's all open source, we just need to connect the dots. Need a map. I think reconstructing history would keep us on track.

The whole purpose of this thread is to really figure out why these evil fucks are doing what they're doing.

They obviously don't think they're doing evil, but doing their "Gods" bidding.

As others have attested earlier, it's also a good theory that there is a counter-cabal out there. Q is almost certainly part of that one.

It would also be an interesting exercise to try to identify the "good guys" throughout history that keep giving the NWO a hard time. The fact that they haven't conquered the world yet speaks volumes to the existence of "Good"

I'm not a Christian,was raised one though, but I do think that the Jesus myth (ie. not who he literally was, but what he was representing) is definately a Good force and completely blows the lid off of the Babylonian mindslave religion. I'm really intrigued by the Gnostics, who told Rome and the proto-Catholics to go fuck themselves.

The Kingdom of Heaven is within.. you have your own freewill and ability to reason and use logic… Q sounds Gnostic

>>1813185

This might be a little slide, but relates to what you just said. Feminism pisses me off. It pisses me off because I 100% agree that women should be just as free as men to do pretty much whatever they want. We have our physical differences but we should be given the same freedom to express ourselves, even in fields where our physical attributes might be a disadvantage.

But that's NOT what feminism is. It's become this fucked up man-hating cult. This is a dangerous notion to their control. Women can't really be equal! So they take over the movement, and make them extremists instead.

In my investigations, I came across this one interesting video that shows that ancient Egypt was VERY equal. Women could pretty much do anything a man could, except a few exceptions such as serve in the military.

Just a shot in the dark, I wonder if this whole game has been Egypt vs Babylon for ages?

>>1814323

As Q once said, "THEY WANT YOU DIVIDED"..

No one wants to be racist, so they sabotage unification and are promoting white privelege narrative.

No one wants to be sexist, so they sabotage feminism and promote the metoo narrative.

No one wants war, yet they're doing their damnedest to resurrect the cold war Red Scare.

Anyway, what they're doing by making Men being Women and Women being Men, is showing that they can literally alter our perception of reality. Gender and sex is different? Ok fine, who cares about Gender then. A man (sex) CANNOT get pregnant. No man (sex) has ovaries. Even if we are to believe that transgenders have "the wrong sex brain", fine, but their body is still male. No word play can change that. No surgery can fix that. It's just a fact of life. But the cabal is desperate to convince you that it's all about words and rhetoric. Why? Because to them, it is.

The Phoenicians invented the alphabet. They called it Magic, literally. And it is. It really is. It's amazing that we can understand each other with these weird glyph's. Socrates warned against the written word because you can't converse with it (this was way before the internet of course), and he was hitting the nail on the head.

Only words have the ability to change your entire outlook of reality. (((THEY))) are absolute masters of it.

>>1815295

People laugh at the idea of symbolism being much more than pretty colors and the odd eagle here or there. It escapes them to realise that every single letter is a symbol, and these symbols combined convey powerful messages that can change entire nations. How much more potent are obtuse symbols? There's been many studies about "Brand recognition", so the ancients knew the power of branding/symbology from the very get go and they're very good at it.

I agree with Q that "these people are stupid", but at the same time, these people are BRILLIANT. The reason they're stupid is because they're pompous and underestimate the change that has taken place and is taking place already.

Meme's are silly shitposts, but at the same time it freaks them out. Turns out they're extremely powerful yet extremely cheap to produce. Just think of a funny slogan, slap it on a relevant picture, and post it to a viral feed. Boom.

The joke is that "the left can't meme" because a meme has to actually be making fun of an absurd truth, otherwise it doesn't work. But secondly, the left ideology is topdown. They get marching orders from above. Their leaders are VERY smart (John Podesta is obviously a cunning strategist), but their minions don't know what to do until they're told to do it. Free people just fling mud all day long.

https://youtu.be/joErUdT-bD0?t=1269

This is interesting. So the Vikings ascend the throne of England. Then the Anglo's take it back. But then the Normans from Normandy invade. This video drops a bomb, the Normans were descendent of Vikings. So William the Conqueror was essentially a viking!!!

Look what I just found in Spain

Spain had Phoenician outposts early on and eventually became almost completely conquered by Carthage (ie. the Phoenicians) until Rome conquered them in the Punic wars.

Spain is curious to me because:

1. What I just said above

2. The Vikings discovered America in 1000AD

3. The Spanish Armada was the greatest (sea fairing nation)

4. Christopher Columbus 'rediscovers' America

They're also famous for being invaded and ruled by the Muslim conquest, and also infamous for kicking out "all the Jews" coincidentally in 1492

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque%E2%80%93Cathedral_of_C%C3%B3rdoba

>>1818881

1. Spain was very friendly to the NAZI's and may have allowed Hitler to escape to Argentina

>>1818881

I want to point out that Carthage worked with and was very friendly with the Celts:

>The Iberian conquest was begun by Hamilcar Barca and his other son-in-law, Hasdrubal the Fair, who ruled relatively independently of Carthage and signed the Ebro Treaty with Rome. Hamilcar died in battle in 228 BC. Around this time, Hasdrubal became Carthaginian commander in Iberia (229 BC). He maintained this post for some eight years until 221 BC. Soon the Romans became aware of a burgeoning alliance between Carthage and the Celts of the Po river valley in northern Italy. The latter were amassing forces to invade Italy, presumably with Carthaginian backing. Thus, the Romans preemptively invaded the Po region in 225 BC. By 220 BC, the Romans had annexed the area as Gallia Cisalpina.[5] Hasdrubal was assassinated around the same time (221 BC), bringing Hannibal to the fore. It seems that, having apparently dealt with the threat of a Gallo-Carthaginian invasion of Italy (and perhaps with the original Carthaginian commander killed), the Romans lulled themselves into a false sense of security. Thus, Hannibal took the Romans by surprise a mere two years later (218 BC) by merely reviving and adapting the original Gallo-Carthaginian invasion plan of his brother-in-law Hasdrubal.

>After Hasdrubal's assassination by a Celtic assassin, Hamilcar's young sons took over, with Hannibal becoming the strategus of Iberia, although this decision was not undisputed in Carthage. The output of the Iberian silver mines allowed for the financing of a standing army and the payment of the war indemnity to Rome. The mines also served as a tool for political influence, creating a faction in Carthage's magistrate that was called the Barcino.

I think the Celts will be an interesting ally of theirs

hmmmm

>>1819597

Over the target?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanit

Child sacrifice

The origins of Tanit are to be found in the pantheon of Ugarit, especially in the Ugaritic goddess Anat (Hvidberg-Hansen 1982), a consumer of blood and flesh. There is significant, albeit disputed, evidence, both archaeological and within ancient written sources, pointing towards child sacrifice forming part of the worship of Tanit and Baal Hammon.[10]

Some archaeologists theorised that infant sacrifices have occurred. Lawrence E. Stager, who directed the excavations of the Carthage Tophet in the 1970s, believes that infant sacrifice was practiced there. Paolo Xella of the National Research Council in Rome summarized the textual, epigraphical, and archaeological evidence for Carthaginian infant sacrifice.[11]

Archaeological evidence

Stelae in the Tophet of Salammbó covered by a vault built in the Roman period

"Tophet" is a term derived from the Bible, used to refer to a site near Jerusalem at which Canaanites and Israelites who strayed from Judaism by practicing Canaanite idolatry would sacrifice children. It is now used as a general term for all such sites with cremated human and animal remains. The Hebrew Bible does not specify that the Israelite victims were buried, only burned, although the "place of burning" was probably adjacent to the place of burial. We have no idea how the Phoenicians themselves referred to the places of burning or burial, or to the practice itself.

Several apparent "Tophets" have been identified, chiefly a large one in Carthage, dubbed the "Tophet of Salammbó", after the neighbourhood where it was unearthed in 1921.[12] Soil in the Tophet of Salammbó was found to be full of olive wood charcoal, probably from the sacrificial pyres. It was the location of the temple of the goddess Tanit and the necropolis. Animal remains, mostly sheep and goats, found inside some of the Tophet urns, strongly suggest that this was not a burial ground for children who died prematurely. The animals were sacrificed to the gods, presumably in place of children (one surviving inscription refers to the animal as "a substitute"). It is conjectured that the children unlucky enough not to have substitutes were also sacrificed and then buried in the Tophet. The remains include the bodies of both very young children and small animals, and those who argue in favor of child sacrifice have argued that if the animals were sacrificed then so too were the children.[13] The area covered by the Tophet in Carthage was probably over an acre and a half by the fourth century BCE,[14] with nine different levels of burials. About 20,000 urns were deposited between 400 BCE and 200 BCE,[14] with the practice continuing until the early years of the Christian period. The urns contained the charred bones of newborns and in some cases the bones of fetuses and two-year-olds. These double remains have been interpreted to mean that in the cases of stillborn babies, the parents would sacrifice their youngest child.[15]

A detailed breakdown of the age of the buried children includes pre-natal individuals – that is, still births. It is also argued that the age distribution of remains at this site is consistent with the burial of children who died of natural causes, shortly before or after birth.[13][16] Sergio Ribichini has argued that the Tophet was "a child necropolis designed to receive the remains of infants who had died prematurely of sickness or other natural causes, and who for this reason were "offered" to specific deities and buried in a place different from the one reserved for the ordinary dead".[17] He adds that this was probably part of "an effort to ensure the benevolent protection of the same deities for the survivors."[18] However, this analysis is disputed; Patricia Smith and colleagues from the Hebrew University and Harvard University show from the teeth and skeletal analysis at the Carthage Tophet that infant ages at death (about two months) do not correlate with the expected ages of natural mortality (perinatal).[19]

>>1772858

I'll flesh this out tomorrow but I think I'm zeroing in on the Good Guys. Egypt!!!

They ruled a great nation for 1500+ years until essentially the Hyksos fucked it all up.

Ask yourself why the Egyptian government refuses to disclose the truth about a super ancient culture… Unless that truth is still relevant today and would expose the cabal.

More tomorrow…

There are various hypotheses as to the Hyksos' ethnic identity. While the term "Asiatic" is often used for the Hyksos, in the context of Ancient Egypt, it refers to any people native to areas east of Egypt. West Asian origins are suggested, in particular, by the names of individuals such as Khyan and Sakir-Har, and pottery finds that resemble pottery found in archaeological excavations in the area of modern Israel.

>>1826762

Technically all religious texts are propaganda. The only way we can possibly squeeze any truth of them is to use the earliest sources possible, and also combine them from different cultures to see what sticks

.>>1826725

Yes I've seen this, it's a good clue, but there's got to be more to it. Like, why do they wear those antlers/antennae on their head? And also, what about the double headed phoenix/eagle Y head? I think it's all connected but I'd like to get precise. I don't just want the dots, I want to connect them too.

It would be helpful if you expand on how these are "also Canaanites"

>>1825824

The Egyptians have been slandered by their enemies, and we still believe their lies.

Ok here's the deal, I'm working to flesh this out with exact dates and facts but here's my theory so far. If you're religious some of this might seem offensive, please have an open mind.

Please poke holes in it.

Egypt and Sumeria were the oldest civilisations in the world. Sumer became Babylonia, and the started expanding/migrating outwards, into the Levant. Canaanites originated from Babylon. Proof of this is extremely hard to find, so right now that's a hunch. My only evidence is that Abram/Abraham came from Ur to Canaan.

Anyway, Egypt was ruling relatively peacefully for thousands of years, The pyramids were NOT built by slaves, and certainly not by Israelite's which didn't even exist yet. but Babylon wanted to conquer it. Not sure exactly what or how they did it, but the Hyksos were a Canaanite take over of Egypt. After over a hundred years of their rule, they were kicked out and banished, probably back to Canaan. No doubt they were PISSED off. In fact, they were so pissed off, they ranted about it in their fiction called the Exodus. Except in their story. they painted Egypt as evil slave mongers who had to face the wrath of their feiry fire God El.

Hundred of years later, the Canaanites seemed to almost get back in via Akhenaten, who radically changed Egypt's religion into Monotheistic Sun Worship (which the Phoenicians were as well). What a coincidence! This didn't last long, but this story was also later incorporated into the mythical Exodus story.

If you haven't caught on, Exodus NEVER happened. It was fake news to smear a once great nation.

One last shot at the crown was the Bronze Age collapse. Which almost destroyed Egypt. It utterly crippled every other nation around the Mediterranean region, except conveniently the Canaanites/Phoenecians. They then grew a massive sea trading empire and explored almost everywhere they could, possibly even America, China, and England. Egypt is no longer a threat.

Old Babylon has since fallen apart (probably from wasting so much time obsessing over Egypt, hunch), but Neo Babylon rises with Nebuchadnezzar and Canaan is conquered. Luckily, the Phoenecians already expanded to northern Africa into a place called Carthage.

Rome, meanwhile, is growing more powerful and soon the Punic Wars occur over the course of several centuries, Carthage expands to capture almost all of Iberia (Spain) and part of Rome, to being completely defeated and sacked.

Babylon is defeated by the Persians, who let the "Israelites" go back to Canaan. Again, bullshit propaganda. Remember that the Canaanites were likely Babylonian to begin with, so this was obviously a cover story. In fact, the Torah was written in Babylon and shares many similarities to Babylonian religion. Then again, of course it does, it would even if they never returned to Babylon.

Here's a big secret. They weren't monotheistic. They believed in other gods. They just thought their god, their Sun God, was the most superior. They thought that they were chosen by this God to conquer the entire world. Whereas the Eagle was the symbol of the Egyptians, the Phoenix became their mascot. It became their "win at all costs" philosophy. Die, if you must, but arise stronger than ever before.

Next Alexander the Great conquers almost the entire world. But the empire barely survives long past his death. Leaving Rome to conquer much of that territory, including Canaan.

This is where the story/myth of Jesus comes into play. I can write at length about this, but I believe that this was an attempt by Egypt to revive their suppressed spirituality about personal responsibility and enlightenment. Everything about the Old Testament sounds Babylonian, whereas everything about the New Testament sounds Egyptian. So of course the Canaanites weren't impressed and shut this down.

At this point things get muddy. Likely many Canaanites fled back to Mesopotamia, settling around the Black Sea (which, later becomes Khazaria). But surely, many kept involved in world politics. I can't peace it together, but somehow they convinced Rome to go Christian.

>>1833600

WHAT?! Why the FUCK would they do that? Well, around that time there was a dangerous philosophy known as Gnosticism floating about that threatened the Babylonian slave mentality. It was catching on and threatened their ultimate world domination plans. So after centuries of trying to suppress it, they decided to co-opt it.

They got the Pagan Emperor Constantine to convert to Christianity after some ridiculous vision of the Cross. But Rome had to "Romanize" it of course, so they made it into a hierarchy of priests and bishops and a Pope. Now they had councils to determine which books were the real word of God and which were heretical. Of course, anything that cemented the idea of worshipping the one Sun God were chosen as authentic. Thus, Christianity became Catholicism, and the Pope became literally Jesus in the flesh. And by the Pope they could literally control nations.

Except the Papacy was losing it's authority towards 1000AD.

Enter the Vikings.

That's where I'm at so far. Will write more later!

>>1833493

OP here. Read the two above posts I just did and try to say that again. I simply don't want to call (((THEM))) Jews. It's the Canaanites/Phoenecians. And yes, I believe they were certainly behind the Viking raids. Where I'm going to end up in my historical rant is that it's no coincidence that the Swiss Guard protects the Pope.

The Vikings themselves may have been mercenaries. I haven't quite figured that part out yet. They sure were convenient though!

>>1835200

Yes I will officially entertain this theory. I've watched a lot of "Ancient Aliens" and while interesting, I feel like it was hiding more than it was showing. I mean, if Aliens really were controlling the world, that's exactly the show they should produce.

As for Akhenaten, and monotheism in general… I'm actually starting to think Monotheism is a scam!!!

All "Polytheistic" religions have their head creator God anyway. The other gods are basically like angels. So it's the same thing. By having a "Jealous God" with "no other gods before me", basically destroys the pantheon. Why? Politics!

When you go to school now, you research certain disciplines. Basically, you're becoming a disciple of that knowledge. You're worshipping the god of medicine, or chemistry, or mathematics or whatnot. Notice how the gods tend to be teachers?

By smashing the pantheon, the Phoenicians can consolidate control. First they make you deny the other gods. So now you're beholden to the one god for all wisdom. And when they want to, they can even shut that down and make you an atheist.

Think about how many atheist arguments no longer hold water if you actually allow for multiple 'gods'. Suddenly the problem of Evil isn't really a problem anymore.

This is why I'm thinking Akhenaten was a Canaanite/Babylonian plant.

>>1836734

There are no coincidences.

But be careful. Some colors are simply easier to produce than others. Might explain why they're common. Need more than just color to prove a link.

>>1835997

>>1842697

Oh DOoooo go on! I love it!

After diggggging deep, time seems kindof ridiculous. It just amazes me how much "inbetween" time is just irrelevant and forgotten.

I'm all ears (eyes…)

>>1842942

Dude you're blowing my mind. Part of my problem gluing this all together is that the time stretch is so vast that it's gets a bit hard to fathom.

Here's a question. Could someone traceback every KNOWN 'celebrity', backwards, and see how far back in history we get?

Like, if we trace back all the kings/queens of Europe, how far would we get? Would we get to Rome, and Ceaser in 100BC?

>>1843033

So are we only off by 300 years then?

Or is it all out of whack?

Can you be so kind as to drop a few alternative Key Events & Year of Occurrences?

>>1843087

Yes the name game is frustrating. For example, the Phoenicians AREN'T fucking Phoenician. That' just what the Greeks called them. They were Canaanites. But even that is probably just a description of the geography, "Lowlands"… Their original city was Sidon, so were they Sidonians? Maybe. Or maybe they're Babylonian migrants, and therefore lets just call them fucking Babylonians.

Trying to trace their origins, and their inevitable dispersion is very hard because they changed their name. For example, they later became the Carthaginians. FML

>>1843163

So why do you think the Bronze Age Collapse didn't happen? I've been hinging some theories on that event. Might need to rethink some things if that's a myth

Is there a name behind this time theory or is it your own work? Would like to dig further

>>1843293

No shit.

You know what also boggles my noggles? Is how they claim our memories used to be so amazing that we could memorize the Gospels or the Qu'ran for 50-60 years before bothering to write it down. And we can just trust that nothing got changed in these amazing memories that held on to the books word for word in their heads. Not quite the same thing but…

>>1843328

Well one of my theories right now is that the Canaanites were desperately trying to fuck up and destroy Egypt, and that the Bronze Age collapse was one of their operations to do so as a revenge for the Hyksos being expelled

>>1843372

I can barely tell my own life story accurately. Which is why I am SUPER sceptical about history.

>>1843397

Yes but I think they were trying to subvert the power structure of the polytheism of the day. By claiming "one god" or "Their god is supreme" they could usurp the power of all nations around them. Clever trick. They perfected this when they created the Pope and the Vatican later on.

>>1845738

I don't mean he was racially different, but I feel like he was co-opted by the Sun Worship that the Canaanites were promoting. So he was basically a traitor.

Of course, in the New Kingdom, it wasn't as stable as the Old and perhaps he just felt the time was right for reformation.

Then again, to be self-critical, I should ask why the Hyksos wouldn't have initiated such a revolution if they were Canaanite.

I admit I don't know enough about Egypt or it's ancient politics so I'm grateful for anyone who can set me straight.

>>1847039

Hmm interesting I see where we're "clashing" a little. I'm suspecting that he's a bad guy, and you're thinking he's a good guy. Not saying you're wrong, just exploring.

The reason I'm flipping this around is because history is written by the same people behind "Fake News" today. So I'm keen to entertain the "mirror" and see if it fits.

We've been told that the "Pagan" worship of pantheons of gods is evil and wrong and corrupt. But who told us that? The Canaanites. The Phoenicians. The fuckers who sacrificed their kids to Ba'al.

If we view the gods as simply disciplines of knowledge, they're basically the same thing as degrees in University, although with a bit of superstition mixed in.

Consolidation to ONE GOD ONLY leads to horrible Theocracies where dissent is impossible. You can't respect other opinions because there's only one truth, one God. Compare this to the old way of thinking, where the God of Mathematics might require different discipline than the God of Agriculture.But if there's just One God then suddenly the idea of a Farming God that teaches all the tricks of the trade are silly. I'm suspicious this was an ingenius mindslave manipulation.

I'm not actually saying that there are multiple gods or anything. I'm just saying that multiple gods may have been more civil than the idea of monotheism.

>>1847487

What's that map????

>>1847859

>those people tried to make him disappear from history

(((They))) didn't, the (possibly good) priests tried to erase him. Same way Obama is being "erased"

Q isn't the first attempt at overthrowing the cabal. No doubt there's been many good coups and bad coups throughout history. Which ones were our guys and which ones were (((theirs)))?

Why can't we ever completely stamp out the evil? Problem is we're in a house of mirrors, with a loose definition of what morality is, therefore evil is in the mind of the beholder. It's really easy for the cabal to make you think you're fighting evil when you're actually doing evil.

>>1847859

As long as you didn't "deny the gods" or insult the king, you could pretty much say or think anything you wanted back then. Crazy thoughts? Probably came from a crazy god.

Once Catholicism was the law of the world, wrong think was punished by fire. Look at the Torah and how many 'crimes' are punishable by death.. which would be ludicrous in a polytheistic state.

Regarding the TimeAnon from last night…

If the years 600-900 were spliced in, then that would put the Vikings in the year 600 AD, which actually makes more sense to me

Think about it. Rome finally falls around 500AD.

The Phonecians/Carthaginians almost immediately spring into action to conquer Europe starting with the Viking raids.

The 300 year gap was REALLY bothering me.

Also, this means the Crusades mobilised against Islam ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. Doesn't it bother you that "Christiandom" sat on their asses while their kingdoms fell rapidly around them? And only until Jerusalem was up for takes did they take it seriously? I smell bullshit.

>>1848524

>How do you track a group that uses an ever evolving set of symbols, theologies, and genetic traits?

You need to learn how (((they))) keep track of each other! By their works you will know them.

>The cabal/occult seems to allow it's puppet states to be overthrown by design. If the phoenix story is any hint at their plans, it sounds like they give their house of cards 500 years before they move on to the next shop.

I have a feeling the 500 years is just a lazy way of saying long time. It's a way for them to stay motivated midway through a longterm plan that will exist long after they die. But yes, it's their philosophy to corrupt and destroy societies, so that they can rebuild them on their terms after the fires go out.

>Certain thoughts are still wrong think if they don't belong to any god in your pantheon.

Like what? You could literally make up a god/goddess/demigod about any topic. If Greeks invented the computer, there'd be a god of programming.

However, what IS dangerous is that when you deify knowledge, you're not allowed to challenge it later. So once we settle on Newtonian physics, we'd need to excommunicate Einstein.

So I'm not advocating worshipping the gods, I'm just exploring the idea that polytheism allows for more freedom of thought than monotheism did

>>1848541

So here's a problem. If we basically scrub out 300 years from 600-900 AD in Europe, how do we reconcile the battles and Muslim rulers in their Caliphate during the same period?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(717%E2%80%93718)

For example.Did that happen in 717AD??

>>1848632

Yeah I've basically been taught that after Rome fell that the people in England basically had no fucking clue how to do anything and basically twiddled their thumbs for longer than America has been a nation.

Wouldn't the Romans who were inhabiting Britain still know their shit? That doesn't make any sense why the Dark Ages would happen. Oh, everyone just stopped writing and building stuff for three centuries.

>>1848710

What I would like to see is a revision of the dates on a simple graphical timeline that show the "fixed" timeline to see if it actually makes sense with key historical dates that happened inside the darkages.

For example, are you saying that perhaps the Siege of Constantinople actually happened at say 417 AD, not even a hundred years after the Byzantine Empire was founded?

Because the Byzantine Empire had to have started around the fall of Rome, when Rome split West/East

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Byzantine_Empire#Constantine_I_and_his_successors

Where do we place all the Emperors of the Byzantine Empire?

I'm so confused. I feel like there's some major truth going on here, but I'm having a hard time seeing how to reconcile these kinds of things.

>>1848823

>>1848858

I do realise for such a theory to work, it can't be a straight shift where all the world's history gets snipped and rearranged in the same 600-900 year span. It would require other histories to be shifted wildly too.

And you know what? This isn't some grand conspiracy. This isn't anything new. This is what the scribes and writers of holy books have always been doing. They make sure to convey a good story, facts be damned.

>>1849407

No I'm actually glad you did. I wouldn't really call this "my" thread as I think everyone's been dropping awesome bombshells here and I'm mostly spinning with all the ideas. I never even thought to actually question the timeline itself, but I think that's a reasonable thing to be sceptical of, especially since it makes the whole picture that much more realistic.

>>1849048

Of course it is! People just think it's quaint that the Swiss Guard guards the Vatican. It's a strange connection though, isn't it….

You know what really gets me. For a culture that basically invented the Alphabet, they left almost no writing behind…

>>1850480

It's entirely possible he is. But that doesn't mean he's WITH them.

>>1850725

I'm saying I don't know whats going on. I"m trying to figure it out. And you can either help, or get out.

>>1851834

I did a few days ago, check it out:

>>1833600

>>1833608

This isn't everyones thoughts though, there are many great theories in this thread. One of my favourite was here:

>>1755146

>>1758521

>>1758527

>>1758530

>>1856845

valor (n.)

c. 1300, "value, worth," from Old French valor, valour "valor, moral worth, merit, courage, virtue" (12c.), from Late Latin valorem (nominative valor) "value, worth" (in Medieval Latin "strength, valor"), from stem of Latin valere "be strong, be worth" (from PIE root *wal- "to be strong"). The meaning "courage" is first recorded 1580s, from Italian valore, from the same Late Latin word. (The Middle English word also had a sense of "worth or worthiness in respect of manly qualities").

Valkyrie (n.)

1768, one of 12 war-maidens who escorted the brave dead to Valhalla, from Old Norse valkyrja, literally "chooser of the slain," from valr "those slain in battle" (see Valhalla) + kyrja "chooser," from ablaut root of kjosa "to choose," from Proto-Germanic keusan, from PIE root geus- "to taste; to choose." Old English form was Wælcyrie, but they seem not to have figured as largely in Anglo-Saxon tales as in Scandinavian. German Walküre (Wagner) is from Norse. Related: Valkyrian.

*wal-

Proto-Indo-European root meaning "to be strong."

It forms all or part of: ambivalence; Arnold; avail; bivalent; convalesce; countervail; Donald; equivalent; evaluation; Gerald; Harold; invalid (adj.1) "not strong, infirm;" invalid (adj.2) "of no legal force;" Isold; multivalent; polyvalent; prevalent; prevail; Reynold; Ronald; valediction; valence; Valerie; valetudinarian; valiance; valiant; valid; valor; value; Vladimir; Walter; wield.

It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Latin valere "be strong, be well, be worth;" Old Church Slavonic vlasti "to rule over;" Lithuanian valdyti "to have power;" Celtic *walos- "ruler," Old Irish flaith "dominion," Welsh gallu "to be able;" Old English wealdan "to rule," Old High German -walt, -wald "power" (in personal names), Old Norse valdr "ruler."

>>1857209

Anyone else notice that both Donald and Vladimir mean "to be strong" in the leadership sense…..

Spooky!

Is this for real?! I know the names are layered on, but Atlantis where Babylon/Khazaria was?

Just a thought before bed…

Let's say Christianity was a spiritual answer to combat the cabal of yore. The Gnostics. What would actually happen? It would be shilled to death. Everything about it would be twisted.

Isnt it fascinating that the Gnostics called the Canaanite God a demiurge? That Jesus is actually Sophia, a being that actually knows the father of all being?.

I'm starting to wonder if the answer to the evil babylonian mindslavery was buried in Nag Hammadi

How do we have a Great Awakening if we continue to use their black magic symbols in out medals, flags and emblems?!

So I was watching this video about the Khazars and had some thoughts.

Most importantly, I've always thought the notion that the Asheknazi Jews being secret Khazars is RIDICULOUS. And I'm happy that's confirmed. But I feel like that's a slide.

This makes me wonder even more now if the Canaanites fled to the black sea, or how many Canaanites stayed in Babylon after their capture. I think it's silly to think that these people weren't originally from Canaan, but in fact they're some sort of Turks masquerading as Jews.

The importance of Khazaria is the fact that this was the first place since the Diaspora that they were able to achieve a nation state.

Babylon Canaan > Egypt > Carthage > Babylon conquers Phoenicia & Israel > Iberia (Spain) > Rome/Greece > Collapse

Before anyone thinks I'm going all "it's the JEWS!", I'm not. I firmly believe that, like all groups, there are many subgroups that believe radically different things. There's ample evidence for this in the Bible itself that the tribes of Israel were often heretical. I feel like some have retained their ancient Canaanite Baal worship, which comes from Babylon, and have manifested in mystery religions and secret societies, and I don't think that's too absurd to say.

Aint it interesting that after Khazar falls, the Vikings emerge to fuck up the social order of Europe

>>1861552

Bloomberg built their EU HQ on top of an ancient Temple of Mithra

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-22084384

> The site will house media corporation Bloomberg's European headquarters.

> The site also includes a previously unexcavated section of the Temple of Mithras, a Roman cult, which was first unearthed in 1954.

> Once Bloomberg Place is completed in 2016, the temple and finds from the excavation will become part of a public exhibition within Bloomberg's headquarters.

Summary

The book attempts to revise the accepted ancient chronology of Newton's day, in order to prove that Solomon was the earliest king in the world, and that his Temple the first ever built, with all others being copies, beginning with Sesostris, King of Egypt, followed by others. Newton's results, therefore, diverge widely from presently accepted dates, often more widely than the system that he attempted to displace.

Newton attempted to identify various mythological figures as historical or Biblical individuals, such as arguing that the Titan Saturn was Noah, the god Jupiter was Shem, and Osiris and Dionysus were Sesostris.[2] The work treats figures from Greek mythology, such as the centaur Chiron and the Argonauts, as historical fact.[3]

Full text:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/15784/15784-h/15784-h.htm

>>1862916

Note that the ridges are OBVIOUSLY exaggerated in this video for some fucking retarded reason.

Graham Hancock Brilliantly Dimisses the Ancient Astronaut Theory with Lost Civilization Evidence

Graham Hanicock explains how all of the anomalies of history and prehistory point toward evidence of a lost civilization. The case for Ancient Aliens are — in his view — better explained as the traces of this mysterious advanced civilization.

Those, like Hancock, working on an alternative history of humanity need to hold themselves to standards of evidence AT LEAST AS HIGH as is demanded of mainstream scholars if they are ever to get history rewritten. With this in mind Graham will look at the “ancient astronaut hypothesis” and prove the revelations and radical new meanings emerging from ancient texts and traditions are much better explained without the need for a planet traveling alien culture.

>>1863931

I have this theory that historically they've been sloppier about the big secret of history, and perhaps we might get lucky digging up dusty old books from suspicious writers.

Like, if Newton was part of the cabal, then that means his works would be a message for them.

Not sure if relevant, but interesting that England wasn't always an Island

>>1864646

Did the Vikings know something?

>>1862677

>>1864440

Tho' The Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms amended, was writ by the Author many years since; yet he lately revis'd it, and was actually preparing it for the Press at the time of his death. But The Short Chronicle was never intended to be made public, and therefore was not so lately corrected by him. To this the Reader must impute it, if he shall find any places where the Short Chronicle does not accurately agree with the Dates assigned in the larger Piece. The Sixth Chapter was not copied out with the other Five, which makes it doubtful whether he intended to print it: but being found among his Papers, and evidently appearing to be a Continuation of the same Work, and (as such) abridg'd in the Short Chronicle; it was thought proper to be added.

>The Short Chronicle was never intended to be made public,

>>1865244

(Newton)

The Canaanites who fled from Joshua, retired in great numbers into Egypt, and there conquered Timaus, Thamus, or Thammuz King of the lower Egypt, and reigned there under their Kings Salatis, Bœon, Apachnas, Apophis, Janias, Assis, &c. untill the days of Eli and Samuel. They fed on flesh, and sacrificed men after the manner of the Phœnicians, and were called Shepherds by the Egyptians, who lived only on the fruits of the earth, and abominated flesh-eaters. The upper parts of Egypt were in those days under many Kings, Reigning at Coptos, Thebes, This, Elephantis, and other Places, which by conquering one another grew by degrees into one Kingdom, over which Misphragmuthosis Reigned in the days of Eli.

In the year before Christ 1125 Mephres Reigned over the upper Egypt from Syene to Heliopolis, and his Successor Misphragmuthosis made a lasting war upon the Shepherds soon after, and caused many of them to fly into Palestine, Idumæa, Syria, and Libya; and under Lelex, Æzeus, Inachus, Pelasgus, Æolus the first, Cecrops, and other Captains, into Greece. Before those days Greece and all Europe was peopled by wandring Cimmerians, and Scythians from the backside of the Euxine Sea, who lived a rambling wild sort of life, like the Tartars in the northern parts of Asia. Of their Race was Ogyges, in whose days these Egyptian strangers came into Greece. The rest of the Shepherds were shut up by Misphragmuthosis, in a part of the lower Egypt called Abaris or Pelusium.

In the year 1100 the Philistims, strengthned by the access of the Shepherds, conquer Israel, and take the Ark. Samuel judges Israel.

>>1865316

1. The Edomites are conquered and dispersed by David, and some of them fly into Egypt with their young King Hadad. Others fly to the Persian Gulph with their Commander Oannes; and others from the Red Sea to the coast of the Mediterranean, and fortify Azoth against David, and take Zidon; and the Zidonians who fled from them build Tyre and Aradus, and make Abibalus King of Tyre. These Edomites carry to all places their Arts and Sciences; amongst which were their Navigation, Astronomy, and Letters; for in Idumæa they had Constellations and Letters before the days of Job, who mentions them: and there Moses learnt to write the Law in a book. These Edomites who fled to the Mediterranean, translating the word Erythræa into that of Phœnicia, give the name of Phœnicians to themselves, and that of Phœnicia to all the sea-coasts of Palestine from Azoth to Zidon. And hence came the tradition of the Persians, and of the Phœnicians themselves, mentioned by Herodotus, that the Phœnicians came originally from the Red Sea, and presently undertook long voyages on the Mediterranean.

>>1865335

(The Oracle of Delphi was Phoenician?!)

1. Dædalus kills his nephew Talus, and flies to Minos. A Priestess of Jupiter Ammon, being brought by Phœnician merchants into Greece, sets up the Oracle of Jupiter at Dodona. This gives a beginning to Oracles in Greece: and by their dictates, the Worship of the Dead is every where introduced.

>>1865446

(The Pyramids were built in 800BC? Ridiculous. Although, would explain why they're not mentioned in the Torah)

1. Cheops Reigns in Egypt. He built the greatest Pyramid for his sepulchre, and forbad the worship of the former Kings; intending to have been worshipped himself.

1. Cephren Reigns in Egypt, and builds another great Pyramid.

1. Mycerinus Reigns there, and begins the third great Pyramid. He shut up the body of his daughter in a hollow ox, and caused her to be worshipped daily with odours.

>>1865848

>Cheops didn't build shit except a boat. Cheops wrote his name on many great constructions.

Obviously not, I just found it hilarious that Newton thought such. The brightest mind of his age.

>These timelines are for the "profane", such as us peasants.

Well, unless the book is a psyop, it seems to be a Chronology written for the Queen and not meant for the public. See:

>>1865244

> Herodotus [3] tells us, that the Priests of Egypt reckoned from the Reign of Menes to that of Sethon, who put Sennacherib to flight, three hundred forty and one Generations of men, and as many Priests of Vulcan, and as many Kings of Egypt: and that three hundred Generations make ten thousand years; for, saith he, three Generations of men make an hundred years: and the remaining forty and one Generations make 1340 years: and so the whole time from the Reign of Menes to that of Sethon was 11340 years. And by this way of reckoning, and allotting longer Reigns to the Gods of Egypt than to the Kings which followed them, Herodotus tells us from the Priests of Egypt, that from Pan to Amosis were 15000 years, and from Hercules to Amosis 17000 years. So also the Chaldæans boasted of their Antiquity; for Callisthenes, the Disciple of Aristotle, sent Astronomical Observations from Babylon to Greece, said to be of 1903 years standing before the times of Alexander the great. And the Chaldæans boasted further, that they had observed the Stars 473000 years; and there were others who made the Kingdoms of Assyria, Media and Damascus, much older than the truth.

vs.

> The age of speciation of H. sapiens out of ancestral H. erectus (or an intermediate species such as Homo heidelbergensis) is estimated to have taken place at roughly 300,000 years ago. Sustained archaic admixture is known to have taken place both in Africa and (following the recent Out-Of-Africa expansion) in Eurasia, between about 100,000 to 30,000 years ago.

Things that make you go hmmm….

>>1869221

Welcome! And yeah, we haven't covered anything Germanic yet. Your input would be much appreciated!

We are approaching this with absolutely no bias or taboo or preconceptions. Let the chips fall where they may, and feel free to speculate.

If you can back up your thoughts with evidence all the better but feel free to spitball too!

>>1873980

No offense but sounds like liberal impractical bullshit.

This is the same hippy dippy sneaky shit that will strengthen things like the UN and usher in the NWO. Nations must always exist, for the same reason capitalism needs competition "stay honest".

So the borders stay. We'll have to just get along instead of literally uniting.

Build the wall! Lock the door!

(More strange passages from Newton's chronology)

Androgeus the son of Minos, upon his overcoming in the Athenæa, or quadrennial Games at Athens in his youth, was perfidiously slain out of envy: and Minos thereupon made war upon the Athenians, and compelled them to send every eighth year to Crete seven beardless Youths, and as many young Virgins, to be given as a reward to him that should get the Victory in the like Games instituted in Crete in honour of Androgeus. These Games seem to have been celebrated in the beginning of the Octaeteris, and the Athenæa in the beginning of the Tetraeteris, then brought into Crete and Greece by the Phœnicians and upon the third payment of the tribute of children, that is, about seventeen years after the said war was at an end, and about nineteen or twenty years after the death of Androgeus, Theseus became Victor, and returned from Crete with Ariadne the daughter of Minos

By means of these Colonies of Phœnicians, the people of Caria learnt sea-affairs, in such small vessels with oars as were then in use, and began to frequent the Greek Seas, and people some of the Islands therein, before the Reign of Minos: for Cadmus, in coming to Greece, arrived first at Rhodes, an Island upon the borders of Caria, and left there a Colony of Phœnicians, who sacrificed men to Saturn, and the Telchines being repulsed by Phoroneus, retired from Argos to Rhodes with Phorbas, who purged the Island from Serpents

>>1875010

So according to Newton they did human sacrifices to Saturn on Rhode Island… That seems pretty interesting to me

I'm also curious about the repeated statement that they came from the Red Sea. You know, the one that Moses parted?

Holy crap! This might be a huge connection:

That the Greeks were unwittingly aware of these cultural exchanges is reflected in the myth of Europa, a beautiful Phoenician princess whom Zeus seduced, disguised as a bull. When Europa came to pat the beautiful animal and even dared to sit on its back, the "bull" rushed away over land and sea to Crete, were he resumed his godly guise and poured out his declarations of love. Europa later became the mother of King Minos.

In other words, Europe is named after a fucking Phoenician princess! That bull story is very weird, probably means something else.

From here

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/did-the-phoenicians-even-exist-1.5417395

It's amazing to me how powerful the Canaanites were. Until I started digging here I thought of them as a conquered, pathetic people. But actually they were the richest, rulers of the seas! The Phoenicians was a slang term for them, they didn't actually call themselves that.

I'm also starting to think that the Israelites were a break off group that couldn't stomach the notion of Child Sacrifice. Hence the story of Abraham and Isaac. I would be surprised if this was a remix of an original Canaanite tale that actually had Isaac killed and Abraham rewarded handsomely for it. So the Israelites desperately tried to reform.

This is why the so called tribes of Judah kept falling back into their old ways, it's because it was so much more fun and profitable.

So, it's not the Jews. The Jews don't exist. It's always been a battle of the Israelites vs the Canaanites, and they're the same race. So of course the Canaanites love hiding under this cover and blame the Israelites for all their evils.

They kept their secret religion going to this day, hidden in secret societies and mystery cults.

This is the so called pizzagate. This is also how a magic symbol from Solomon (who was almost certainly a Baal worshipper) came to become the symbol of Israel.

Unfortunately for the Israelites, the "Phoenicians" were and always have been rich beyond measure. Europe is literally named after one of their princesses.

Their highest levels are likely racially motivated, but they will let anyone join their immortal cause if they are willing to pledge a significant sacrifice.

I think this is an important distinction that can help determine who is actually behind the evil of our modern world.

Again! Be very careful not to think it is the Jews. That is the wall they hide behind. They're Canaanites but not Israelites.

Am I crazy?!

So would anyone be willing to help me compile some notables from this bread? Going to need to bake #2 soon. I'm so proud of you anons!!

>>1885522

Triple dubs!

Looks like Cyprus is also a testing ground for (((their))) plan to confiscate wealth. In 2013 the banks, after being bailed out, stole almost 50% of all savings on accounts over 100k. Because fuck the rich?

I wonder if anyone's been caught removing their money ahead of that action..

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/asset-seizure-in-cyprus-could-it-ever-happen-in-the-u-s

Cyprus strikes me more as a Greek colony. The Greeks and Canaanites were fierce competitors for the sea trade. Cyprus and Greece have been constantly fucked over ever since it seems. In fact, the thought just occurred to me that the teachings of Jesus may be an Egyptian/Greek coup on them. As the Canaanites got more Hellenistic they built up their own saviour God that would overrule the old code

Not sure if this is relevant but I've been watching a bit of Troy on Netflix.

Amazing.

It slams Greece as horrible people who enslave their women and sacrifice their children.

Troy is portrayed as a women's liberation paradise.

Western society and modern democracy has everything to thank Greece for.

Are (((They))) projecting their ancient hatred of Greece onto an unwitting public to hide the fact that in fact it was (((them))) who bestowed slavery and child sacrifices unto the world?!

>>1890328

Yeah I was considering renaming it something different. The reason I like Nordic is because I do think that the main base of operations is currently in somewhere like Switzerland.

Problem with the Vikings is that alot of their mythos is largely made up.

As for notables just need help sorting out some of the best, most thoughtful research posts.

I'll also archive the whole thread

>>1893293

Nimrod World Order. Perfect.

And I am proud of all of us, I never dreamed we'd get 700 posts. Most interesting shit ever!

And I still think Vikings are a clue, but you're right they are not the apex. I think they're a huge false flag. A method they used to inject themselves back into the nobility of the day.

I'm about to blow your mind. All this talk about Nimrod made me wonder about this famous legend.

Read this again. But, instead of thinking of this as a lame explanation about why the world has many languages.. Read it as the birth of the mystery cults. That Nimrod wanted to protect his belief system from the changes of time, to be immune from changes of languages, to be consistent even with the scattering of his people (which was inevitable). So to ensure an immortal legacy, he enshrined his evil thoughts into a language of symbology. And this is exactly what we're chasing down here.

The Tower of Babel

11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

>>1897817

Whoops, my bad. Right, Switzerland is right in the middle of Europe, right above Italy.

>>1897788

They did. And then they worked as body gaurds to the nobility. Sounds like they were hired hands and were told to go make a ruckus as a diversion. (or perhaps they could have just randomly decided to be assholes)

This is starting to feel like Freemasonry really is the apex of everything. Check the Phoenician link I just found:

The worship and the mysteries of the Egyptians at first passing through Moses among the Hebrews, where the primitive god of the Ethiopians, Youptitr or JupUerre-ceived the name of You orJrJiova™ and Typhon, the genius of evil, was called Satan, and represented uuder the form of a serpent, passed subsequently into Phenicia, where they were celebrated at Tyre. 16 There the name of Osiris was changed to Adonai or Dyonisius, which also meant the son. Then these mysteries were successively introduced into Assyria, Babylonia, Persia, Greece, Sicily, and Italy. In Greece and in Sicily Osiras took the name of Bacchus, and Jjris that of Ceres, of Cybele, of Rhea, and of Venus; while at Borne she was called the good goddess.

https://archive.org/stream/A_General_History_Of_Freemasonry_In_Europe_-E_Rebold/A_General_History_Of_Freemasonry_In_Europe-_E_Rebold_djvu.txt

>>1907105

The goofy apron.. what is that about anyway?

I'm perplexed about Nimrod. I'm not sure he existed at all. Just like Osiris. I haven't verified this, but how do historians know which came first? The myth of Nimrod or the myth of Osiris? Could the Egyptians actually have influenced the great kings of Old Babylon and they just adapted their myths?

Part of me wants to think it's Egypt vs Babylon. But I dunno, I also want to think Egypt begot Babylon (slightly adapted to their environment). But historians tell us that Mesopotamia is the cradle of civilisation, so it must be Babylon begot Egypt?

I feel like the biggest clue we've come upon in this thread though is the notion of the Phoenix and how it's prevalent in so many emblems. I feel like it's a pledge and a signal that "We made the sacrifice, watch us rise!"… As you cannot have a phoenix without sacrifice.

I'm trying to think of the Canaanites as evil Baal/Moloch worshippers, and that Christianity was an adaption of Egypt mythology to overcome their slave-mind religion. At first, it was pure, but Paul the Apostle, once a follower of Mithra, came and quickly shilled Christianity back into a mind-slave religion instead of the freedom of self-trust it should be.

The more I look into this the more confused I'm getting, need some more evidence to really set me straight. I want to give up, but I feel like we are so close to a cohesive chronology of "How it all happened from then to today"

>>1908585

I definitely think there's something to this. Besides, it's not impossible to think about Giants, we have beloved giants all over our museums in the Dinosaurs. So it's genetically possible for species to grow and shrink as time goes on.

I'm going to challenge you then. If they really are a part of this, what is their symbol? They can't resist making pretty logos for things, so what would identify a Nephillim specifically?

>>1912320

The trick is now to turn this research into something digestible.

It CANNOT be another "blame the Jews" type thing though, as that doesn't work. Whether true, or not true, it's plain to see that the normies will never look past those three letters and read on.

I feel like we can play up the Phoenix though. Everyone loves the Phoenix, but if we can turn it on it's head and have people realise what it really means.. it might get them connecting the dots on their own.

Afterall, this IS NOT ABOUT RACE. Perhaps it's true that the Canaanites perpetuate most of this nonsense, but the problem is that others can join the cause and a great many more can be bamboozled by the cause. And it's also very true that many Canaanites don't want anything to do with this, some have even turned away and pledged to a wholey different religion or no religion at all. So the racism angle isn't sound and won't be effective anyway.

The Order of the Phoenix?

I'm starting to wonder if there were ANY good guys in WW2

I watched this once years ago but rewatching it again with all the above research in mind is actually pretty mind blowing.

Jordan Maxwell - Genesis Translated

This guy dives into the original "Hebrew" to decode whats really going on.

>>1914949

Great find!!!

I got a little carried away on this.

I think I only covered half of what's really going on here.

What do you guys think?!

>>1928155

Yeah… fuck.. i dunno, as I started OCDing on the graphic I started thinking that there's just too fucking much for a single graphic. I wanted to include Q drops. I wanted to include more Phoenix examples.. more Masonic examples.. more Egypt and Babylon.. more Vikings.. more UN…

At the same tIme I don't want to host a website or author a whole PDF…

It would also be great if it could still be "open", like a wiki we could all work on, and remain anonymous.

I love 8ch, but it's not a great format for actually organising the final big picture.

Any thoughts on how to take this to the next level??

>>1934221

EL ite

EL der

EL ection

Following?

I'll be baking a new bread tomorrow under NIMROD WORLD ORDER

It's obvious that this is all about Babylon

Thing is, I don't think Nimrod ever existed. And the tower of babel was likely a new Babylon project. Need to decide this!!

Start digging on Nimrod

>>1719707

NEW BREAD:

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