If "reliance to one's detriment" is an element of fraud in NY, then if "no detriment" (e.g., all loans repaid, which they were), then no fraud (even if knowing misrepresentations - which have not been established either).

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In CA, if suing civilly for fraud (as NY AG is against Trump and children),one element of establishing fraudis that the complainant has to have been harmed, i.e.,relied to their detrimenton a false representation made knowingly.

If the same is true in NY, then no harm no foul because all loans were repaid.

NO "detriment".

So NO finding of fraud.

It is an element of fraud. So if it's not there, no finding of fraud can be established.

Flashback: Joan Rivers' vocal cords were destroyed (and she died) shortly after she casually confirmed Michelle O is transgender.

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> This moment, is why [they] had her suicided

Agreed that Rivers was killed for casually confirming that Michelle is transgender. But it was not cast as a suicide.

They quite literally destroyed her vocal chords as the first step in the unauthorized medical procedure that killed her.

The "don't speak on that subject" message cannot get much more clear than that.

"Thebiopsy was not authorized, as Rivers never signed a consent form. And once it began, hervocal cords began to swell,Anderson 360 revealed Tuesday night. But that’s not all. Not only wasKorovin not supposed to be treatingthe comedienne, 81, at this time, medical staffers have also told investigators that shesnapped a selfiewith the beloved funny woman, while she was under anesthesia – amajor violation of privacy,given she did not give her consent to have her picture taken."

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/09/joan-rivers-death-doctor-gwen-korovin-selfie/

To whom was she supposed to show the selfie? Was it needed in order the get paid for a "successful" unauthorized procedure by the one(s) who ordered a hit?