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Feeling a bit seasick
Ron really helped bring clearer and calm words to Our situation. He was not able to gain obvious traction in his own time in the public eye, but he sure did plant some seeds of thought long ago… growing into a few strong standing Oaks now for the storm to come.
I posted that in reference to the Tyson comment and TV celebrity.
I grew up on Sagan’s Cosmos POP SCIENCE, no different that Tyson.
I had no idea a person like Velikovsky even existed (let alone actually had a public debate with Sagan). I did not learn about plasma cosmology ideas or the Thunderbolts.info stuff until much much later in life.
I do give a few points to Sagan… for at least attending and participating in the debate with Velikovsky. The ‘winner’ alas, was picked by the crowd by popularity contest, instead of objective examination of the known information. Sagan lost a lot MORE points for going along with the crowd he himself had already poisoned.
Ugh.
I agree.
I wish (i can still wish, yes?), i wish Trump had included more commentators like Ron in his entourage… to better explain Trump’s field activities. Just as i wish more Rons and his type, would offer commentary about Trump’s Field Action, without apologizing or shying away because Trump comes-off vastly more crass, then readily/apparently erudite.
I have seen Trump BE constitutionally accurate, while rough around the edges. While Ron was very polite and gentle, being Constitutional… but too soft.
They could better work as a Team, bringing different skills to the field… together.
Just Say’n
Over the years i’v only been able to find bits and pieces, and one really really bad recording from the back of the room.
David Talbot and Wal Thornhill the past ten/twenty years have done a very good job describing how they were inspired to THINK by Velikovsky, while still pointing out where and how they see Velikovsky wrong.
Don Scott is still one of my favorite champions trying to invite mainstream (and even NASA engineers), to just open their eyes, talk with the people down the hall and re-approach cosmology with an open mind… instead of all the Temple of WhiteCoat Edicts.
Over the years i’v only been able to find bits and pieces, and one really really bad recording from the back of the room.
David Talbot and Wal Thornhill the past ten/twenty years have done a very good job describing how they were inspired to THINK by Velikovsky, while still pointing out where and how they see Velikovsky wrong.
Don Scott is still one of my favorite champions trying to invite mainstream (and even NASA engineers), to just open their eyes, talk with the people down the hall and re-approach cosmology with an open mind… instead of all the Temple of WhiteCoat Edicts.
Too
Good place for the ol’ switcharoo
Do sexual dysphoriacs know which end the bullets come from???
Only after one correctly answers a few simple questions about their Oath.
I’m still searching for better info on the actual debate…
But i did stumble on this short vid, where these guys (i have no idea who they are), mention that Velikovsky wouldn’t even be known about at all… if Sagan hadn’t tried to discredit Velikovsky publicly. So, some thanks can still be given to Sagan, even if that’s something he didn’t want to happen.
Hehe
Media will call it as 49.9 vs. 50.1 if they need to.
Are there ANY cameras, or honest/trustworthy independent reporters in the room????
Long narration, but fingers getting closer.
In the face of great peer pressure, i do think Sagan tried to crack the subject open.
He belittles the idea in many ways (possibly to appease Main Stream), but he did talk about the idea nonetheless.