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John Thaler part 2 LIVE
90 mins
Brannon Howse is introducing the show now
wondering why the AZ legislators dont' seem interested in the money laundering investigation…..
Apparently, parties in AZ who don't want this election fraud / money laundering scheme investigated are screaming "inappropriate venue" re the testimony by Jackie Breger.
Looks like the opposition is now fighting back - saying he didn't contact certain parties in the AG's office. Thaler is producing envelopes showing correspondence with that office.
re Brittany involvement as a child:
wow, 8 yr old Brittany was helping mom fill out docs at one point….
re how do we know Hobbs hasn't been the victim of identity theft (re deeds of trust)?
there are other docs
Kathleen M Hobbs - her legal name
Katherine Hobbs deeds - the markings match
slight changes in the name are common in fraudulent docs
Question: how do so many people in public service have the exact SAME handwriting for docs?
There's other docs for Hobbs with the same forged handwriting
re people suing Thaler bc of what he is saying:
any "cease and desist" requests?
ZERO.
if it's identity theft, why haven't those "victimized" inquired about it?
any politician who's innocent would want the docs - nobody has asked
Thaler is willing to share the docs (kek)
they have been investigating for over 3 years
this isn't just about documents - they have INTERVIEWED many witnesses. The docs are just the tip of the iceberg.
re judge in Kari Lake case:
alleging impropriety? someone did contact him to investigate the judge, is that a judge he would feel comfortable going forward with? NO - they would not have gone forward with the judge, they would have not.
re mtg with Kari Lake atty?
AFTER the election, yes, re election improprieties. He will send the name.
re Kari Lake: have you investigated her? any red flag or other america first candidates?
yes, they did - to see if she had "deed problems". NO.
re money laundering & single fam homes
[discussion of how it's done, dif ways]
laundering and payoffs go together
drug cartels can work w/developers
Thaler respects work done by DEA.
re Katie Hobbs - findings:
issues with the signatures of her & her husband starts with deeds of trust
if suspicious, they look for more, look for patterns
when laundering is present, there are characteristic patterns
looks for other docs, deeds, lawsuits, etc. - which they FOUND in the case of Hobbs.
also, notarizations (belonging to brittany chavez)
re false judgments - purpose
to swat people who are hot on the trail. These are FALSIFIED to distract and harass whistleblowers/investigators. Court orders, default judgments, sudden drops in credit scores, etc. They can also be used to extort money by a corrupt bureaucracy.
re Katie Hobbs, anything else?
She has links with orgs that [look suspicious]
re phone records:
They have 8000 pages of phone records, 24,000 pages of communcations.
texts and cell phone calls. How done? Whistleblowing in this case.
Q - anything on election theft?
A - Maricopa Co created huge database in 2015, they have call records of people involved in crime calling in and out at strategic moments, there's an ongoing fed investigation, won't give details
they've seen calls into other election centers outside AZ in 20 states, say in purple counties - they might look there for real estate fraud. Have found it.
In AZ, there are serious concerns. Re accessing election stuff: look at when the calls occur, where the calls occur, who makes the calls; correlated with deed problems.
Sen. candidate Gallegos - does he know about him? No, not offhand. Thaler says they are very careful putting people on the list [of those with deed problems? YES]. Thaler et al looked at notarizations as far as he recalls.
Is there any concern that any of these guys are just victims? Thaler thinks NOT - never a matter of a single doc, always a COMPENDIUM.
[ENTER Jordan with Gateway Pundit - familiar with Maricopa Co stuff]
Jordan says those on the list have remained mostly silent.
Has suspended law license in AZ? No not suspended, was never a member of the bar in AZ. For temporary transactions, can be in house counsel.
Problems with law license in California? - he had a client who tried to blackmail him, matter now resolved. Active law license.
J re deeds:
Deeds are only part of what they investigated.
J re availability of other docs, can we get more?
in other states, many have been released. Some we can, will send case numbers where docs have been filed.
[Discussion re how investigation is done…..]
example - credit card theft, cards mfr'd & used too quick to catch em.
Thaler firm assembled witnesses that allowed the prosecution to proceed.
[Discussion of how they have to ask questions of Thaler bc media is gonna jump all over his credibility - refers to situ where a client tried to blackmail him and he got mad, bar censured him slightly - he's practiced for 32 years, only mark on his ref]
J re discovering Sinaloa was involved, when did this happen?
late 2020, depts in city of Mesa; involved judiciary
they were not hired by campaigns, just private corps
they came to look at officials
before 2020, saw problems with pre-marked ballots but they did hot know enough to intervene - later the election, they did not want to interfere with official investigations
after 2022 - only felt compelled to get involved in Nov 2022 because of bribes and racketeering activity coming up, which they have investigated
J question: Why given to Ducey, not AG?
There were other matters involving a client
B question: on social media re social media rumor
He was involved in cops on 5-9-21?
He was supposed to see his son McKinley but was swatted
[discussion about how rumors are swirling but Thaler is able to address all the concerns raised so far - charges that it's about selling his new book on this stuff]
Pretrial conference discussion on social media re moving a case out of Maricopa Co - another rumor, sounds like nothingburger.
Re reporting info in investigations to cops: their focus is on the client, what they want. Never worked for the federal govt.
Re whether he thinks any of the ones on the list should be charged?
Answer: Harvard study showed that AZ is bottom list re CORRUPTION. Re bribes paid to legislature.
J re Brittany wanting to go into hiding - where are they now?
B and him have tried to meet (hasn't seen son for 29 mos), he would like to see his son safe from criminals. Terrible situation, tried to get her into witness protection but not successful. Attempts on his life - tough situation.
Will be on with Pete Santilli 8 am central on Lindell TV.
entire interview
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