this is a good example of how the game works.
its a limited retreat. once that position breaks down, use another limited retreat.
i would argue the whole point of this episode was to allow the msnbc suit and bill maher to insert into the public's minds, two positions:
(1) yes, sometimes pharma can be bad actors, but undoubtedly hey have saved many lives [Heileman's point]
(2) some people needed the mRNA shot and were saved by the mRNA shot [Maher's point].
Brand doesn't rebut these.
Anon's need to keep attacking these.