Anonymous ID: 3f21e1 Aug. 17, 2023, 8:25 a.m. No.19375999   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6090

>>19375967

>Recognizing the consistency in God

Those consistencies are observed in nature and the world around us in provable science. While others are distracted with the externalized version, looking up, they aren't looking around at what evil does to the world around them.

 

>How can there be 'common ground'

Through rational, logical engagement based on knowable facts, not beliefs based in a subjective understanding of the world.

Anonymous ID: 3f21e1 Aug. 17, 2023, 8:38 a.m. No.19376079   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6083 >>6508

>>19376034

He was smart, but he wasn't always right. From their perspective in their day, their understanding of the world was steeped in challenges to perspective based on belief vs Enlightenment thinking. For the more staunchly religious, their expressions of concern was that an immoral and irreverent (irreligious) people would cause the government to fail. On the contrary, Enlightenment inspired thinkers saw the most passionate and convicted as being the most troublesome who reached frantically for the levers of control over others. Legislating morality by way of doctrinal interpretation is no better than what the churches and kings of Europe were doing already, and would have this great Republic transition into a Theocratic Autocracy ran by the church itself. In today's swing to the right, Dominionists are the greatest threat to Life, Liberty, and pursuit of Happiness because their projected understanding of these are based in a most intolerant view of the world and those that don't adhere to their proscribed way of life and thinking. And since anon is cherry picking Jefferson for a new thread, I'll repost from last thread my own Jefferson quote with additional context:

Anonymous ID: 3f21e1 Aug. 17, 2023, 9:44 a.m. No.19376508   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>19376079

>>19376090

>Nature is observABLE and science is provABLE because the one source of it all is itself consistent.

Nothing wrong with believing that, as long as you understand it's still an unprovable assertion.

 

>False dichotomy projection

No, that's how distractions work. Like this one is becoming.

 

>There is no division between God and consistent evidence based science.

You could call it that, but doing so makes it a system of belief in there being a God - which, granted, is what we're relegated to as a species so long as our understanding is still limited. But that doesn't make God real. What makes God real to the believer is belief.

 

Again, I would argue that science and logic are what lead to proofs to substantiate belief. It doesn't always work this way, though, and that's why it's important to constantly differentiate between belief and fact; just like the founding fathers did.