Anonymous ID: de71a6 Sept. 7, 2023, 1:26 p.m. No.19508016   šŸ—„ļø.is šŸ”—kun

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-The Ontological Argumentā€ by St. Anselm

From the Proslogium

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Lord, I acknowledge and I thank you that you have created me in this your

image, in order that I may be mindful of you, may conceive of you, and

love you; but that image has been so consumed and wasted away by vices,

and obscured by the smoke of wrong-doing, that it cannot achieve that

for which it was made, except you renew it, and create it anew. I do not

endeavor, O Lord, to penetrate your sublimity, for in no wise do I compare

my understanding with that; but I long to understand in some degree your

truth, which my heart believes and loves. For I do not seek to understand

that I may believe, but I believe in order to understand. For this also I

believe, ā€”that unless I believed, I should not understand. . . .

Truly there is a God, although the fool has said in his heart, There is no

God.

AND so, Lord, do you, who do give understanding to faith, give me, so

far as you knowest it to be proļ¬table, to understand that you are as we

believe; and that you are that which we believe. And indeed, we believe

that you are a being than which nothing greater can be conceived. Or is

there no such nature, since the fool has said in his heart, there is no God?

(Psalms xiv. 1). But, at any rate, this very fool, when he hears of this

being of which I speakā€”a being than which nothing greater can be con-

ceivedā€”understands what be hears, and what he understands is in his un-

derstanding; although he does not understand it to exist.

For, it is one thing for an object to be in the understanding, and another to

understand that the object exists. When a painter ļ¬rst conceives of what he

will afterwards perform, he has it in his understanding, but be does not yet

understand it to be, because he has not yet performed it. But after he has

made the painting, be both has it in his understanding, and he understands

that it exists, because he has made it.

Hence, even the fool is convinced that something exists in the understand-

ing, at least, than which nothing greater can be conceived. For, when he

hears of this, he understands it. And whatever is understood, exists in the

understanding. And assuredly that, than which nothing greater can be con-

ceived, cannot exist in the understanding alone. For, suppose it exists in

the understanding alone: then it can be conceived to exist in reality; which

is greater.

 

Therefore, if that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, exists in

the understanding alone, the very being, than which nothing greater can

be conceived, is one, than which a greater can be conceived. But obvi-

ously this is impossible. Hence, there is doubt that there exists a being,

than which nothing greater can be conceived, and it exists both in the un-

derstanding and in reality. . . .

God cannot be conceived not to exist. ā€”God is that, than which nothing

greater can be conceived. ā€”That which can be conceived not to exist is

not God.

AND it assuredly exists so truly, that it cannot be conceived not to exist.

For, it is possible to conceive of a being which cannot be conceived not

to exist; and this is greater than one which can be conceived not to ex-

ist. Hence, if that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, can be

conceived not to exist, it is not that, than which nothing greater can be

conceived. But this is an irreconcilable contradiction. There is, then, so

truly a being than which nothing greater can be conceived to exist, that it

cannot even be conceived not to exist;. and this being you are, O Lord, our

God.

So truly, therefore, do you exist, O Lord, my God, that you can not be

conceived not to exist; and rightly. For, if a mind could conceive of a be-

ing better than you, the creature would rise above the Creator; and this is

most absurd. And, indeed, whatever else there is, except you alone, can

be conceived not to exist. To you alone, therefore, it belongs to exist more

truly than all other beings, and hence in a higher degree than all others.

For, whatever else exists does not exist so truly, and hence in a less degree

it belongs to it to exist. Why, then, has the fool said in his heart, there is no

God (Psalms xiv. 1), since it is so evident, to a rational mind, that you do

exist in the highest degree of all? Why, except that he is dull and a fool?

. . .

Anonymous ID: de71a6 Sept. 7, 2023, 1:27 p.m. No.19508020   šŸ—„ļø.is šŸ”—kun

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How the fool has said in his heart what cannot be conceived. ā€”A thing

may be conceived in two ways: (1) when the word signifying it is con-

ceived; (2) when the thing itself is understood. As far as the word goes,

God can be conceived not to exist; in reality he cannot.

 

BUT how has the fool said in his heart what he could not conceive; or how

is it that he could not conceive what he said in his heart? since it is the

same to say in the heart, and to conceive.

But, if really, nay, since really, he both conceived, because he said in his

heart; and did not say in his heart, because he could not conceive; there

is more than one way in which a thing is said in the heart or conceived.

For, in one sense, an object is conceived, when the word signifying it is

conceived; and in another, when the very entity, which the object is, is

understood.

In the former sense, then, God can be conceived not to exist; but in the lat-

ter, not at all. For no one who understands what ļ¬re and water are can con-

ceive ļ¬re to be water, in accordance with the nature of the facts themselves,

although this is possible according to the words. So, then, no one who un-

derstands what God is can conceive that God does not exist; although he

says these words in his heart, either without any or with some foreign, sig-

niļ¬cation. For, God is that than which a greater cannot be conceived. And

he who thoroughly understands this, assuredly understands that this being

so truly exists, that not even in concept can it be non-existent. Therefore,

he who understands that God so exists, cannot conceive that he does not

exist.

I thank you, gracious Lord, I thank you; because what I formerly believed

by your bounty, I now so understand by your illumination, that if I were

unwilling to believe that you do exist, I should not be able not to under-

stand this to be true.

 

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