Nowrasteh [Cato Institute]: The US immigration system is extremely restrictive. It is very difficult to come here. The idea that we have an open border is ludicrous…if we have an open border, why are people paying five to twenty thousand dollars to be smuggled here? Virginia and Maryland have an open border. I don't have to pay twenty thousand dollars to go from my home in Virginia to Maryland.

[they pay because the cartels control the border, you criminal apologist]

Spartz: Do you believe the border needs to be secured?

Nowrasteh: Yes…and the way to do that is by expanding legal immigration.

Nowrasteh: The best way for Border Patrol and for the US Government to regulate the flow of people into the United States is to legalize it.