'' Trump Indictments Haven’t Sunk His Campaign, but a Conviction Might ''
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Jonathan Swan, Ruth Igielnik, and Maggie Haberman
'' Voters who were polled who said the economy was their No. 1 issue favored Donald Trump. (Doug Mills/The New York Times)''
For former President, a new set of New York Times/Siena College polls captures a stunning, seemingly contradictory picture.
His 91 felony charges in four different jurisdictions have not significantly hurt him among voters in battleground states. Yet he remains weaker than at least one of his Republican rivals, and if he’s convicted and sentenced in any of his cases, some voters appear ready to turn on him — to the point where he could lose the 2024 election.
Trump leads President Joe Biden in five key battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Pennsylvania, according to the Times/Siena polls. He has eaten significantly into Biden’s advantages among younger, Black, and Hispanic voters, many of whom retain positive views of the policies Trump enacted as president. And Trump appears to have room to grow, as more voters say they are open to supporting the former president than they are to backing Biden, with many voters saying they trust Trump on the economy and national security.
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But the results reveal the complex way voters continue to view Trump, his presidency and his legal problems.
The polls found that, for the most part, Trump is politically surviving the criminal charges against him before voting in the GOP primary begins. He leads Biden by between 4 and 10 percentage points in five of the six battleground states surveyed. In a sixth state, Wisconsin, Biden had a slim lead. A majority of voters say Trump’s policies helped them personally. Roughly the same proportion of voters say they’ve been hurt by Biden’s policies.
The former president’s showing in these head-to-head polls appears to stem in equal measure from Biden’s vulnerabilities, Trump’s strength and the sour mood of the electorate and its pessimism about the economy. The surveys underscore the fact that, in close elections such as the past two presidential races and as 2024 is expected to be, even marginal changes in voting patterns can be enough to swing a state toward a candidate.
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The core of Trump’s strength remains his perceived skill at managing the economy — at least insofar as he’s compared to Biden. More than half of voters say the economy is in poor shape, despite a multimillion-dollar push by Biden allies to promote his efforts to rebuild the country after the pandemic. As voters perceive the country heading down the wrong track, Trump appears to be benefiting from being out of the White House, out of the spotlight and out of responsibility when things go bad.
Voters trust Trump more than Biden to manage the economy by a margin of 22 percentage points. On the economy, Trump is more trusted across every age group, among white and Hispanic voters and across the educational spectrum. In most of these states, the share of voters who say they’re voting based on the economy — as opposed to social issues — has increased since the midterm elections last November.
“Jobs are down because Biden didn’t know how to handle the pandemic,” said Monica Fermin, 51, from Allentown, Pennsylvania. “Trump didn’t know at first but Biden was even worse.”
Fermin, who immigrated from the Dominican Republic as a teenager, worried that Biden’s immigration policies have put additional economic strain on the country. She voted for Biden in 2020 over concerns about Trump’s temperament, but this time around her concerns are largely focused on Biden. “Biden is too old and doesn’t have the capacity mentally,” she said. “We need somebody stronger. I think Trump can deliver this time.”
Trump, however, remains in a weaker position than such gains might make it appear.
If the former president is convicted and sentenced — as many of his allies expect him to be in the Jan. 6-related trial held next year in Washington, D.C. — around 6% of voters across Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin say they would switch their votes to Biden. That would be enough, potentially, to decide the election.
Kurt Wallach, 62, a registered Republican from Maricopa County in Arizona, said he voted for Trump in 2020, and thought the former president had performed generally well in office, except for the start of the coronavirus pandemic. But now, considering the pending criminal cases, his views have shifted.
“If he got convicted, I’d say great, put him out of the race, let’s get another Republican,” Wallach said. “If he’s not been convicted then I’d probably vote for Trump.”
Dakota Jordan, a 26-year-old also from Maricopa County, did not vote in the 2020 election. He said that he would rather not have Trump in office at all, but that “given the choices,” he would vote for him over Biden, absent a criminal conviction. “If he was convicted, there’s absolutely no way — I can’t elect a criminal as my leader,” he said.
Indeed, Trump remains broadly unpopular.
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Indeed, Trump remains broadly unpopular.
A majority of swing state voters view him negatively. And the Times/Siena polls show that another Republican candidate, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, would outperform Trump against Biden by 3 percentage points in these six states. In a matchup that pits Biden against a generic Republican candidate, the Republican candidate wins by 16 percentage points.
Trump performs better against Biden than his main rival, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, who has tried to anchor his campaign against Trump on the idea that the former president who lost the 2020 election cannot possibly win another. These polls significantly hamper DeSantis’ arguments about electability.
Even in a weaker position than some of his rivals, Trump has pulled together a surprisingly diverse coalition for a Republican.
Among voters under 30 — usually a core Democratic Party constituency — Trump is only 1 percentage point behind Biden. Such a result would seem implausible if it didn’t track with trends seen in many public and private polls. In 2020, Biden won that age group by 33% in these states.
Younger voters say they trust Trump over Biden on national security and the economy — saying that the latter is crucial to their vote by a 2-to-1 margin over social issues like abortion and democracy.
“How Biden has handled the conflict in the Middle East is easily the biggest factor for me,” said Hamza Rahman, 21, of Warren, Michigan, who said he was concerned about America’s involvement in several global conflicts and has relied on social media sites like TikTok to help understand what’s really happening on the ground.
Rahman, who voted for Biden in 2020, is considering Trump this time but said he struggled with the choice. “I’m so frustrated with Biden, but Trump is not great either,” he said. “It’s like picking from a sword or a dagger.”
Trump’s gains among voters of color — especially voters without a college degree, and especially men — is pronounced and follows recent trends. In these polls, the more diverse a battleground state is, the better Trump performs against Biden. Trump leads Biden by 10 percentage points in Nevada, 6 in Georgia and 5 in Arizona — all states Biden won in 2020 with a coalition of suburban voters and voters of color.
Trump’s 22% support among African Americans is both a modern-day first for a Republican and a sizable improvement over the 8% he had in the same states in Times/Siena polling in 2020.
“I like what Trump is for,” said John Royster, 55, a truck driver from Atlanta who is Black and voted for Biden in 2020. “Sometimes he tells untruths, but he says what’s on his mind — I can appreciate that.”
Trump has come a particularly long way with Hispanic voters.
He began his 2016 campaign by declaring that Mexico was sending rapists and criminals across the border, and he earned the support of 28% of Hispanics nationally in that election, according to Pew Research Center. In 2020, Trump’s support among Hispanics rose to 36% in his contest with Biden, according to Pew.
Trump now has support from 42% of Hispanic swing-state voters. And he does better among Hispanic voters than his top two rivals, Haley and DeSantis. Trump’s team is trying to build on those gains, booking an interview with Univision that will be broadcast this week, and targeting appeals at immigrants from Latin America — particularly in parts of Florida — who are hostile to anything branded “socialism.”
For many Hispanic voters, the state of the economy has played a large role in their candidate choice. Hispanic voters are three times more likely to say economic issues are important in deciding their vote than social issues, and are 20 points more likely to trust Trump over Biden to handle the economy.
Elaine Ramirez, 38, a Democrat from Las Vegas, said Biden vowed to help the economy and lower inflation — promises she said he has failed to deliver.
“I think for me it’s all the broken promises from Biden that make me want to switch to Trump,” said Ramirez, who voted for Biden in 2020 and is considering voting for Trump. “In 2020, I didn’t like what Trump had to say and his womanizing wasn’t great. But Trump is also more dominating and aggressive and maybe we do need someone like that to fix our economy and our country.”
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The New York Times/Siena College polls of 3,662 registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were conducted by telephone using live operators from Oct. 22 to Nov. 3, 2023. When all states are combined, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 1.8 percentage points. The margin of sampling error for each state is between 4.4 and 4.8 percentage points. Cross-tabs and methodology are available here.
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''A very rough guide''
economist.com/christmas-specials/2012/12/22/a-very-rough-guide
''Christmas Specials | Hell''
Hell is steadily losing adherents. The Infernal Tourist Board (chief field-researchers Dante Alighieri and John Milton) has therefore produced a promotional flyer
Dec 22nd 2012
Why visit?
Hell’s landscape is unrivalled. Its bottomless ravines, towering mountains and fiery floods have inspired artists for centuries. Pandemonium, the capital (formerly black Dis) has a strikingly cosmopolitan buzz and, as a bonus, is crime-free.
An exclusive resort for centuries, Hell is a place where kings tend to wear their crowns and popes their tiaras. Everywhere you look, you will see famous faces. Spot the celebrity!
Overweight and out of form? Hell offers the ultimate workout. Shed those extra pounds, and keep on shedding them!
If you like to travel light ’n’ easy, Hell is for you. Get all your jabs on site, and don’t bother to pack the sun cream. Only hypocrites wear clothes; fiery serpents and fat maggots are often the only attire. In a charming tradition, each visitor is presented on arrival with hot metal chains as a lasting memento of their stay. Get yours personally engraved at no extra charge.
Time stands still here, as the ocean boils and the great abyss yawns before you. Feel the hot sand under your feet, watch the chimeras and gorgons frolic, take a trip on a demon’s back, smell the brimstone on the breeze! You know how you always hope holidays will never end? This one never will.
Getting there
The quickest route is to sin big and persistently, and refuse to show remorse. The sin against the Holy Ghost gets you there in one, though no one knows exactly what it is.
The way to Muslim and Jewish Hell lies over a high bridge as thin as a hair. Primrose paths of dalliance (Shakespeare, “Hamlet”) offer a slower but more relaxing approach.
Currency
Money may well be the reason you are here; especially if you come from Cahors, the city of usurers, or worked for Lehman Brothers. But don’t bring cash or cards, unless you want them melted down and poured into your mouth through a funnel.
Top sights
Hell Gate. In fact nine layers of gates, three of brass, three of iron and three of burning adamant. Don’t miss the famous inscription on the first: “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here”. Satan’s paramour, Sin (aka “the Snakie Sorceress”), keeps the key and will make a scene, even though—since Christ harrowed the place in 33AD—the gate no longer shuts. Beware belching fire and three-headed dogs.
Satan’s palace. The architectural marvel of Pandemonium, made of pure gold (Hell’s major export, and the world’s bane). Its council chamber can accommodate “a thousand Demi-Gods on golden seats”, with 26 standing. Raised above it is Satan’s throne, far outshining “the wealth of Ormus and of Ind”. Photography is not allowed.
Satan himself. Frozen in ice at Hell’s core, gnawing on several sinners at a time, and with his three horned heads weeping gigantic tears of frustration, this extraordinary sight amazes everyone. Staggered entry at peak times, or when sated. Not suitable for vegetarians.
Dining
Chez Tantalus: See your dinner hover over you, but never quite get close enough to eat!
Bar Lethe: A popular, even crowded, establishment, despite the slow and surly service of barmaid Medusa. You’ll soon forget everything, including why you came.
Fresh ‘n’ Fruity: Hell has several branches of this surprising chain, where you can experience the fresh-picked fruit of your choice turning to ashes in your mouth. Fruit of the Tree of Good and Evil in season.
Accommodation
Holes of the Simoniacs: Dive head-first into these funnels of fun, and let a devil set the soles of your feet on fire!
The Sacks@Malebolge: Ten delightful mini-ditches in the trendy 8th Circle, specially designed for liars and flatterers. Enjoy an in-room massage from attentive demons.
Angel Rocks: A cheap and charming perch from which to brood on your circumstances.
Spas
The Third Circle Spa (M. Cerberus, prop.): Wallow in perfumed mud for as long as you like, and longer!
Il Sanguineo (7th Circle): Watch your body turn as red as this river of blood, in an exceptional toning experience!
Gay and LGBT scene
Much improved in recent years. Continual cruising is the norm in the 7th Circle, where anyone who stops encounters an intriguing rain of fire.
To sum up: “Hell: Your first resort, and your last!”
This article appeared in the Christmas Specials section of the print edition under the headline "A very rough guide"
From the December 22nd 2012 edition
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https://www.economist.com/weeklyedition/2012-12-22
the only reason I posted any of it was because of Maggie.
Many Maggie drops
Everything stated has a purpose.
Think timing of Tweet (above) v last drops [HouseOfCards] re: Maggie NYT re: WL 'Maggie' drops re: WL attack re: 'Q'
Do you believe in coincidences?
Be 'extremely' vigilant in Dec.
See something.
Say something.
EXTREME PANIC IN [DC]
WWG1WGA!
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