Sneaky way to avoid answering.
You said it yourself. Jesus gave his own life away. To who? Who willingly took it after Jesus gave it up KNOWING it would be taken?
Yes. We agree. Jesus gave up his spirit and his life. However, in order for him to do so and fulfill prophecy, SOMEONE had to be there to FINISH THE JOB and ACCEPT his proposal.
Jesus didn't kill himself or destroy his own vessel. Completely discarding whether or not he willingly gave up his life/spirit of his own volition, someone was going to destroy his vessel regardless. Now that we have cleared up this context…
I will ask one more time, Anon.
Who (willingly & knowingly) killed Jesus (destroyed his vessel)?
Hardcore picrel.
Explain how it's nonsense, and how you're not avoiding the question we are asking? How dare you accuse me of such a heinous thing for simply requesting you explain yourself? Do you not know that God loves a skeptic? Absolutely childish behavior… shame on you, anon.
You havefailedthis test.
God loves a skeptic. Those who can properly articulate and simplify it for the lemming or anyone not familiar with scripture, or the non-religious, is loved.
I'm asking one who claims to understand God who it was who willingly killed Jesus- whether or not he gave up his spirit willingly- to gauge whether or not they understand who truly hated God. In myCURRENTunderstanding, I am to believe it was The Jews of the time who were afraid or perhaps envious; Those who refused to give up power and notoriety, who abused Roman laws and legislation to have him executed.
I will offer a counter-question, fren. Is it such a bad thing to seek knowledge on a board designed for such things?
>Seeking knowledge makes anon a badger troll & inquisitor
>omfg hitlarr!!?! how could you!!!!
>psh, we know your game kiddo…
You have to be at least 18 years old to post on this board, little ones. Please return to which ever sites you came from… this is not the place for you.
I already told you, fren. We agree that Jesus had agency over his own life, and his decision to give it away. You, however, seem to be hellbent on refusing to acknowledge that despite this volition, SOMEONE had to accept that proposal and see it done… physical beings on Earth (the mortal plane) sentenced him, and had him tortured and crucified.
I will ask you only one more time, and then, after exhausting this last attempt, ignore you as either unwilling to answer, or otherwise unable to answer. Here, I will even re-word the question:
Who willingly sentenced, tortured and crucified Jesus in the HOPES that they would kill him?
>>20056503 (me)
I also want to explicitly state, that no. I'm not trying to FORCE you to answer a certain way. I've been on a pilgrimage through history to understand our enemies and ourselves. I seek knowledge and only knowledge. There is no agenda.
>Refuses to answer basic questions.
I'm sorry Anon. You're really not helping me that much here. Carry on… opinion discarded.
>Explicitly states my intentions.
<NUH UH
I have to ask at this point. Do you Flat Earth?
tl;dr Anon's saying Jesus willingly gave up his life to pay for our sins, which is fine and dandy. Anon doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that despite volition, somebody in the mortal plane willingly sentenced, tortured and crucified him in attempts to kill him.
Baffling.
Repeating "JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE UP WILLINGLY" is not the answer to my question.
My question is:Who willingly sentenced, tortured and crucified Jesus in the hopes they would kill him?
Why is this such a difficult question?
???
Christ, at this point any answer would be satisfying.
FINALLY someone provides a proper fucking answer.
WAS THIS SO FUCKING HARD?
>>20056569 (me)
wtf, I meant to say the proper answer was here. That one's mb. >>20056560
I would complain about the strange barriers between the questions and the answers TO questions, but to be completely honest, I have to remind myself constantly that Mossad and other shillfags lurk here and post bs intended to manipulate and gas light.
I am already well aware that it was Jews who were not fond of Jesus abusing Roman law to have him tortured and crucified.
>>20056584 (I want you to read this very carefully so we are on the same page)
My real gripe was that the other Anon for SOME reason refused to just say"oh yeah no someone 100% wanted to kill Jesus", as if that's somehow impossible.
Already addressed here fren: >>20056592 (me)
We agreed. Problem is you don't seem to understand that mortal man often kills each other over petty stuff. In any case, this discussion is obviously over, as your zeal won't let you acknowledge that.
I hope you can acknowledge mortal failures, fren.
On what grounds do you accuse me?
>why fixate on that small part
Because it's the question I asked in the concern that maybe I was wrong and someone could provide truth (and not the cringe 'Jesus ALLOWED himself to die' shit).
Oh I see now. See that only reinforces the reason I asked my question: SOMEONE wanted to kill Jesus. There is no blame game going on, just observation of objective reality.
k.
>Seeking knowledge is mocking people now.
Man I feel like you're the type to try and justify little kids with cancer. This feels like you're trying to say "God totally told someone to kill his Son".
If I'm wrong, then fucking tell me the truth and quit playing in riddles, Anon. Tell me straight.
Alright we're done here, my only conclusion is that you refuse to answer or acknowledge the fact that it's POSSIBLE that someone would want to kill Jesus. We agree that Jesus willingly gave his life to pay for all of our sins. We agree that it was his decision to do so and that no one took that from him and so consequently no one "took his life" but him by decision of God.
We agree.
At this point the discussion is running in circles because you don't want to acknowledge that mortal men would want to kill God and/or Jesus for threatening their power and authority. ANY and all agendas set aside, this is just the inherent sin of mankind at work and to deny that is bordering retardation. I'm sorry, Anon. As I started, we are done here.
Jesus Christ this response would make any non-believer unironically hate God and Jesus, especially Patriots ironically, because the idea of killing someone for crimes they had not yet committed, or worse, no evidence for said crime was ever produced, is an affront to the very soul of Freedom, Liberty andJusticefor all;Innocent until proven Guilty. Shill confirmed.
Hahahahaha whatever you say pal, whatever you say.
I sure as fuck won't find it from you.