>>20730916

sure, throw in a difficult issue with 500 years of history behind contriversy and disagreement and then just smuggly say 'the bible disagrees with you'

you ignore the deeper issues, show yourself to be one who wants conflict, and that seems to go against what Christians are supposed to do.

just because Jesus (and I read this on line) choses who He wants (predestined) doesn't mean that the ones Jesus chooses will want to continue with jesus (think of, for example, Judas Iscariot)

so shill fail. you're debunked.

you want conflict and that shows a lot about you.

have a nice day mr succinct scoffer at the deeper issues of scripture.

>>20730829

Anon, he had the authority to lay down his life and the scripture said that had to happen like that. But the Jews (in charge) were the ones who wanted him killed.

so they really were to blame because Pilate would have let Jesus go.

But still Pilate isn't blameless either.

They didn't take his life because they can't.

but the did kill him.

kind of a contradiction except when you understand it better.

the leaders of the Sanhedren were moral failures.

also they knew who Jesus was but they wanted him dead anyway.

many of them because Christians.

Many of them did not.

in any case the Jews at that time if they stayed in The Levant ended up self destructing. And even after their intrangatincs resulted in Titus being unable to have the Roman armies follow his orders, and Jerusalem was sacked (because he did put out the order to not do that) the 'City of David was destroyed yet again.

and then after that, a few short decades later, more psychopaths (of the Jews) went on another rampage murdering people and destroying cities, notable the Cyrene area which is in Libya. And on the island of Cypress (where they destroyed much) and also in Eygpt.

they were then put down as they deserved for how they behaved based on the rules of the time.

They behaved like Hamas did on oct 7.

so ignore History if you want, and carry your 'most chosen' grudges into the modern day.

yes, 'Salvation comes through the Jews' in many way because they give us a clear example of how NOT to behave.

>>20731032

What did I get wrong?

When Jonah was sent to warn the Ninevites about their impending destruction because of how they behaved, Jonah was upset when it didn't happen.

Over and over we see behavior that was not to be emulated.

Over and over we see self dealing and murderous intention and an unwillingness to live in peace with others.

What am I getting wrong?

Yes, of course, there was great virtue as well, and the law is rather awesome but

The real truth is that salvation doesn't come through the law.

So what am I getting wrong?

If you don't know that Jews were very very flawed you just ignore history.

All nations, everyone, were flawed. There were no holy people really.

You need Jesus to become holy, anon.

>>20731060

If they did or if they didn't you miss the point completely.

ALL mankind is flawed.

the sins of ALL mankind are washed away by Jesus and what he did for us.

>>20731101

you're talking around the issue anon.

It doesn't matter who is the most or the least responsible, the idea that it does misses the point that Jesus will forgive anyone who asks him and is genuine in his desire to be holy and do as Jesus suggests.

what does it matter if or if not this one of that one did it?

the real question is: do you understand that the real work is to believe in Him?

that's the road to salvation.

who or who not is the worst sinner is irrelevant.

the relevant part is do you really understand and believe and love Jesus and do as he says?

Do you want to be forgiven?

do you admit that you sinned, that would want to be saved?

will you change your ways and repent?

the first shall be last, the last shall be first.

we are ALL broken from the original sin of the garden.

Only through Jesus is there any hope for our salvation.

just because people will say such and such was done by those peole back then of that group doesn't mean that those people who point it out, to the those who demand that we see only holiness and want to be worshipped as pious and rule with dominion, but have no love in their hearts . . .

the point: we are all flawed.

the point: blame game is bogus

the point: just because people say 'such and such about those people who did bad' does not mean that they don't also see what other did which was also wrong.

anyway you want conflict and I'm debunking your misguided narrative. But you'll still say I'm all wrong and your all correct. That makes me know that you are not actually following Christian teachings.

>>20731147

just as I predicted.

you thrive on conflict like an accuser.