DJT keeps talking about having powers after election and now Biden says we are stuck with him for 90 days or so.
WTH is going on? I don't find anything in the Constitution or in statues that suggests this
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1819231556608659530
>>21338478 I can see a scenario in which DJT is CiC after elections but not President.
If the military views 2020 elections in dispute and instituted Continuity of Operations, then as soon as elections reveal the will of the people, that person becomes CiC
>>21338508 If the military no longer sees Biden as CiC and the people voted for the new civilian leadership, they would have to acknowledge it publicly. They can hide not having a CiC if it is a matter of national security, but they cannot hide if one is recognized. There would be a change in policy and law with DJT and the public has to be told that. No arrests could happen if people were not aware of the laws.
They only have to notify the publicIFlas and rights change as a result of this
my theory in part is based on the Law of War Manual.
If Biden is not seen as legit CiC post Miley ( that appears to be the case to me) then his stepping down from election is a surrender with a date marked as 11/5 for his leaving DC.
Kamala would not be seen as his successor in this. Biden is the occupying power and she has no authority.
I would imagine that if elections are in dispute after Biden's surrender then the military could call for a vote on President. Not a full election of all seats but only President.
Biden's surrender is key in this scenario and it changes the games as we have thought of it for years
>>21338579 I read many pieces as well as the wiki on the Transition Integrity Project. I formed an opinion. Then read 11.3 11.4 and 12.8 of the Law of War Manual.
In the war games, they had a scenario of ambiguous election results and neither side conceding. The event ended that Summer on the question What would the Military do?
The Military ould have to solve the problem of who is CiC and they are not concerned with Congress or anything else. Setting paper ballots for Presidency is all they would have the power to do because they have to have civilian leadership.
Senate would be in session because they are not beholden to elections to fill seats. Governors do it. we would then see a series of President/Senate agreements ( evergreen) and an orderly election to fill all other seats
>>21338619 Yes. I see this as Occupation of the Federal Government and Biden as the Occupying Power. Park Police and other Federal law informant as the Occupying force ( not the military) I see the role of the Military is protection of both sides or the dispute and any other foreign leader that enters DC .
The White House is made up of 3 buildings built at different times. The 1st was actually owned by the Army and land purchased for 6K. This is why the Residence is there and the White House Office of the Military is there with their 2600 employees ( but 2600 employees not there since Biden took over)
Biden's letter for stepping down was done on plain white paper. No stationary from the many he could have used (white flag) and it has his terms that he will finish his duties as President,
>>21338684 I don't think the L O W is actually in place per se. I think the "spirit" of the L O W is being followed because we are not talking about an actual territory as commonly done. We are talking about an entity of the Federal Government. The actual physical territory is DC and buildings/parks in all States. (streets leading up to them also)
For as much as possible, all laws and Constitution must remain and funding to keep the status quo must happen. Unless something poses a threat to the occupying power, then they can make needed changes.
Taking the L O W literal might burn brain space. A general understanding is definitely needed though. That is why I mostly focus on 11.3 11.4 and 12.8 since Biden's surrender
HAHAHAHAHHHA! I called this to spouse anon 2 days ago!
CNN is putting out a show about the Eric Rudolph and it was obvious they were setting the stage for a repeat fear porn. Checking into further I saw Celine Dion sang at both Olympics. 1996 and current. 1996 was themed about Christianity and kids. This year's is anti Christ and trannys
If you think of L O W as it pertains to Gaza and what our Military's responsibilities would be in a situation like that, this manual fits in literal terms.
The "spirit" of the L O W is more like what we are experiencing because it is not a specified land mass but an entity under occupation. You have to shift your mind a bit when reading things and apply it to an entity instead of a location.
DJT doesn't have a force. He is the Sovereign Power.
Kamala can't just slip in for Biden post his surrender date ( move out date) because Pence conceded and there is no dispute about VP. VP's constitutional job is only to be President of Senate and if President dies/incapacitated to replace him. There is no him post Miley ( new guy doesn't accept him as Miley did) The military instituted Continuity of Operations and assumed that role. Kamala can't replace the Military. Invoking the 2th is messy and would inform the public of this too soon. Chaos ould break out.
yes and no. The Federal Government is hat is occupied and the Presidency is what is in dispute. Therefore, any federal land or building including in States is under occupation/dispute
>>21338799 (me) >>21338788
The Federal Government is a non continuous series of land but is also a governing body of laws. Biden would be the occupying power of those. He is the Person who sits in the Chair.
The violation of the Constitution you talk of would be justified if the acts are seen to threaten the Occupying Power. If abused SCOTUS steps in and says BTFO
I am not following your thought process on the VP and Pence
elections are a ticket but it is actually House responsible for President and Senate for VP ( in the event of a tie) . Taking that fact and expanded it to a dispute. DJT didn't concede but Pence did . Presidency is in question as it relates to CiC but VP is not in dispute.
Color of Law doesn't quite fit if we take this Occupation theory as true because they have the power to protect their occupation even by violating both law and constitution.
So do you think this will happen as soon as the election is decided or not till inauguration.
I am starting to believe that is the case. Come 11/5 or 11/6 we see announcement of DJT as CiC.
>>21338917 That's an interesting interjection about Enemy Combatant. I will have to put some thought into that and see if I can find something in L O W to support it
>>21338917 The terms of surrender would be negotiated by DJT along with Mitch, Johnson, Jeffries, Schumer. They are the Parlemtaiers spoken of in 12.8. I would imagine safe passage and no prosecution would be part of the deal
I get what you're saying. I think at the time that went on we were in different circumstances. Biden's surrender now changes all of that. Would they have that back and forth today?
Miley recognized Biden. Biden had the football for a time.
No other Branch Joint Chief met with Biden EVER. Only Army and that was Miley.
DJT met with all joint chiefs regularly. Biden never has. 1 fake photo that includes Berger.
I think when Miley left, the occupation was recognized by the Army but not before
Yes there is something special about the difference between them and the other branches as it relates to the President. It goes back to the Continental Army formation. Biden would have authority over them as President of the Federal Government but if that is in dispute all other branches fold under Coast Guard. That authority goes to Norcom Southcom, and Pacom. President can use the Army to quell uprising but no other branch
May of 2017 DJT gave Mad Dog the change. He gave Generals control of decision making in theater while keeping authority of Personnel and Policy. Biden never changed that back.
I think Miley recognizing the elections made Biden CiC but other branches disagreed. That triggers emergency.
Homeland is in charge of Coast Guard in peace time. But in emergency the power goes to Norcom. Coast guard's structure is top law enforcement with jurisdiction 200 miles from navigable shoreline. ( basically near entire usa) Because Posse Comitatus doesn't allow military to enforce law, they all fold under control of Coast Guard.
Sauce would be studying their jurisdiction. It will also show Army is excluded from that chain of command
No team. I have actually filled in missing gaps from this convo. It has been very helpful to me. Just having a sounding board and like minded to bounce this off of and add more has made a World of difference.
I have not posted as much in an week as I have today. KEK