Atheist and magician PENN JILLETTE gives the most warped, backward understanding of Trump you'll ever hear. Projection 101

He also asks Joe Rogan "And I don't know how well you know the President of the United States?" and Joe Rogan who interviews people with 3 hour long conversations said "I don't want to know him at all."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UK40_XkWw