The New York Times

Pundits Said Harris Won the Debate. Undecided Voters Weren’t So Sure.

Jeremy W. Peters, Jack Healy and Campbell Robertson

Wed, September 11, 2024 at 7:20 AM EDT

(So voters don't count) read it yourself, blah, blah, blah,

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pundits-said-harris-won-debate-112035044.html