[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:05 p.m. No.21604403   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>21604395

>>>>>france is bacon surrenders

 

>>everbody kept on surrendering

 

>one pederast surrenedered lik six times this week

lots of clams juuus started surrenderin each other out of necicity

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/08/gay-slur-against-hairdresser-france-paris-not-homophobic-court-rules

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https://www.france24.com/en/20160408-france-paris-ruling-gay-slur-hairdresser-homophobia

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Hairdresser boss who used gay slur not guilty of …

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Apr 8, 2016 — Hairdresser boss who used gay slur not guilty of discrimination. The … The text in French used the slang, “sale PD” (short for “pederast …

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Outrage as Paris hair salon boss cleared over gay slur

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Apr 8, 2016 — Outrage as Paris hair salon boss cleared over gay slur. AFP. By. AFP … pederast – "has entered into day-to-day language and has no …

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:10 p.m. No.21604423   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4463

The Paris tribunal deemed that the slur was not homophobic because "it is known that hairdressers often employ homosexual people".

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'No pejorative meaning'

 

The hairdresser had taken the case to the Conseil de Prud'hommes de Paris, which settles disputes between employers and employees. The plaintiff claimed he had been discriminated against because of his sexual orientation and was deeply offended by the slur.

 

In its December 16 ruling, the tribunal recognised the "inappropriate nature and content of the text message". But, it concluded, the term PD, "has entered into day-to-day language and has no pejorative or homophobic meaning in the manager's mind".

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'Bad climate' for gays

 

A cartoon tweeted by French cartoonist (see below) Nawak featured the tribunal members addressing a series of slurs and stereotypes. “If 'faggot' is not an insult for cartoonists…,” says one tribunal member, “…Then 'crook' is not an insult for estate agents,” finishes another.

 

"If faggot is not an insult for cartoonists… crook is not an insult for estate agents”

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>>21604446

>Devoid of any sense of honor or duty, a vacuous letch, ugly spilled and talentless, the DeepFuck swims in the fecal tea of purposely inept training, no help coming.

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butt zen gahyinjunwhalur nails flamurin is inappropriate to alec bladwins fartbucks

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:21 p.m. No.21604463   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4469

>>21604423

>ris tribunal deemed that the slur was not homophobic because "it is known that hairdressers often employ homosexual people".

So I don't understand this. In my opinion, calling someone a slur shouldn't be illegal. However, it appears that the boss fired the employee because he was gay, or at least the boss thought he was gay. That absolutely should be illegal. The use of a specific slur here doesn't even seem to be the real issue.

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:23 p.m. No.21604469   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4474

 

Seems this is a low-level tribunal. If this is pursued in the higher courts; I believe it will be shot down.

 

There are times - and this is one - I ask myself "Has common sense completely disappeared from human beings?"

>>21604463

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>>21604488

 

in French, insults are given as "sale XXXX" ("dirty YYYY") or if really irate "espèce de sale XXXX". It's the approximate equivalent of "you ZZZZZ".

 

On a side note, the slur used is PD which is modern spelling for pédé, short for pédéraste, which the dictionary defines as man who has homosexual relations with a man.

 

Contrary to English that uses 4 maybe 5 swear words, the French has a complete panoply, a very wide fan of insults from the most cinglant that would cause a violent reaction to an amusing cute insult. "PD" is among the mildest ones I could think of.

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Can you give some examples of other French insults and where they fit on the spectrum? I just love learning about the stuff they never taught us in High School French! >>21604469

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:29 p.m. No.21604501   🗄️.is 🔗kun

 

The worst misleading title ever.

 

The court didn't rule that the slur wasn't homophobic. They ruled that the firing of the employee couldn't be invalidated based on the slur.

>>21604493

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:30 p.m. No.21604506   🗄️.is 🔗kun

The translation of "PD" is "homo" which in French is most often use as a slur but can in certain case be "appropriate". But the issue in this case is the fact that the employer used the sexual orientation of the employee to judge his effectiveness on the job.>>21604502

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:31 p.m. No.21604514   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4540

 

Remember kids, its ok to discriminate or hate, just as long as there is a decent shot your guessing their sexuality/religion/ethnicity right. Then you're just speaking the truth I guess, according to this court.

 

Does that mean the only time its homophobic is when its most likely they're not gay?

 

Edit: did i say the court should have ruled differently, or anything about actual actions? No, just a sarcastic comment, feel free to fondle your wadded up panties and stop telling me about them, i dont care. >>21604507

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:32 p.m. No.21604520   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4540

This case is so weird. It seems like the guy sued because he thought he got fired for being gay. Then the court said that it's okay because there are gay people working as hairdressers. It seems like a non-sequitur. >>21604513

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:35 p.m. No.21604533   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>21604526

 

The reasoning of the court, as described by the article, seems super specious to me.

 

Essentially "most hairdressers are okay with gays. Defendant owns a salon, therefore he must be okay with gays."

 

It's still conceivable, surely, that he fired the guy for his repeated absences, and thus is not in violation of the law, but "most hairdressers are not homophobes" is not a good reason to think an individual hairdresser isn't one.

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The guy in question was takin bullshit sick days. Im glad he got fired and Im glad he didn't get away with pulling the gay card.>>21604535

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:38 p.m. No.21604549   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>21604540

 

A jerk is someone who works the soda fountain at a movie theater, it's like alling someone a mcdonalds cashier or something, but back before there was mcdonalds.

 

Not sure what you thought it means, but it has nothing to do with gay discrimination.

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What's weird about the whole thing is that "PD", pronouned "Pay-Day" (yes, i'm not joking) is short for "Pédéraste", which as late as the 1950s was simply another word for Homosexuality. Nowadays, "Pederast" denotes a combination of homosexuality and pedophilia, but that's not where the abbreviated term comes from. >>21604559

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The meaning of 'fruit': how the Daily Mirror libelled Liberace

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Roy Greenslade

Tue 26 May 2009 03.41 EDT

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Fifty years ago one of the most extraordinary libel trials of all time took place in Britain. The flamboyant American entertainer Liberace had sued the Daily Mirror columnist William Connor (who wrote under the byline Cassandra) for implying that he was homosexual.

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Connor wrote that Liberace was "…the summit of sex - the pinnacle of masculine, feminine, and neuter. Everything that he, she, and it can ever want… a deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium-plated, scent-impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavoured, mincing, ice-covered heap of mother love."

 

(Two important contextual facts: male homosexuality was then illegal; the word "gay" had not become an antonym for homosexual). >>21604578

 

After a six-day hearing, during which Liberace denied being homosexual or ever having taken part in homosexual acts, the jury found for him. He was awarded a then-record £8,000 in damages (about £500,000 in today's money).

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As Liz Hodgkinson pointed out in yesterday's Media Guardian, the decision centred largely on whether Connor knowingly used the term "fruit", which was American slang for a "homosexualist" (to use the description favoured throughout the case). >>21604577

 

The whole trial has been resurrected by the former Daily Mirror journalist, Revel Barker, who now runs the gentlemenranters.com website, in a new book, Crying all the way to the bank (to be published 8 June, by Revel Barker Publishing). >>21604579

 

He and Vera Baird QC have done a fine job in selecting key passages of evidence, and it is eye-opening stuff in many respects. The most obvious factor is the Mirror's arrogance, as shown during the cross-examinations of Connor and the Mirror's editorial chief, Hugh Cudlipp. >>21604580

 

Baird observes that the Mirror "didn't seem to have a plan for the trial." Cudlipp and Connor were going up against a man who was phenomenally popular with the public at the time. Their chances of victory were slim to start with and grew thinner with each passing day. >>21604581

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The case should have been settled, in Liberace's favour, well before it ever reached court. But Cudlipp was convinced, not least by the Mirror's rising popularity, that he could win a case largely based on hypocrisy (that Connor did not mean what it is obvious he did mean). >>21604586

 

Liberace was also hypocritical because he was gay, though he always denied it. He died, aged 67 in 1987, of an Aids-related illness. >>21604585

 

Barker's book has fascinating moments for journalists, not least the lengthy questioning of Cudlipp by Liberace's counsel, Gilbert Beyfus QC, in which he attempts to trap the Mirror supremo into admitting that his sensational, risk-taking paper was reckless. >>21604574

 

The questions, including those from the judge, Mr Justice Salmon, reek with middle class distaste for popular journalism. There is more than an echo of the attitude displayed in a previous libel case involving the Daily Mirror, in 1947. >>21604571

 

This action was foolishly brought by a Mirror photographer (at the suggestion of his employers) against an obscure legal magazine. It rebounded badly on the paper, which lost the action. The details can be found in Privacy and the press by H. Montgomery Hyde. >>21604569

[m4xr3sdefault]三三ᕕ( ⌓ )ᕗ,=,e ID: 6957ca Sept. 16, 2024, 3:48 p.m. No.21604597   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4752

What both cases illustrate is that as long ago as the 1940s and 50s, newspapers were losing out in libel actions, partly due to prejudice from the judiciary and definitely due to hostility from the public.>>21604594

 

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Le jugement scandalise les internautes, la ministre du Travail et le défenseur des droits. Le conseil des prud'hommes de Paris a débouté en décembre dernier un coiffeur, traité de «PD» par sa patronne, considérant que le terme n'est pas homophobe car «il est reconnu que les salons de coiffure emploient régulièrement des personnes homosexuelles».