We may need to create something better… We should have better redundancy to protect from things like this. Cybersecurity 101 guys
We have redundancy on the Q posts across multiple sites. The wayback machine is one site. That means once down, there is no other place to go to.
Any way I can access those myself? Might help me out.
I saw that not too long ago. Here in Virginia, they use paper ballots that go into a scanner. It always bothers me because the scanner doesn't read back to you who you voted for once scanned. It just displays the American flag.
How tf am I supposed to know that my vote was sacnned as what I put in? Sure, the papper ballot gets stored inside, but that doesn't help me at all. Our ballots also dont have any unique ID. They also aren't linked to you in any way so I cant even go online afterwards and see who I voted for, I can only see that I voted.
This system is fucked
I have much stricter ideas on voting. As a cybersecurity major, I see MANY flaws in every single aspect of voting. Even simply saying you want paper ballots, one day voting, voter ID, etc. those are still not enough imo. Every ballot needs a unique identifier. That identifier needs to be linked to your ID # so that the MOMENT you submit your vote, it's automatically available for review by only you online. Federal elections should NOT have state laws involved. Everything regarding a federal election needs to be universal. States should not have their own rules regarding federal elections, only state elections.
My list of should-be laws for FEDERAL ELECTIONS:
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ALL voters must register to vote using a valid form of PHOTO ID. A state issued ID, Driver's License, or Passport. All of which must prove you are a US citizen.
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Felons should have the right to vote. You served your time, you should have ALL your rights back. If anyone disagrees with this, then that felon shouldn't be out of prison. If you are "too dangerous" to have your rights, you are too dangerous to be out of prison.
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All votes cast must be done on a PAPER BALLOT
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ALL ballots must have a unique identifier like a serial number. No two ballots shall have the same identifier EVER. Once issued your ballot, the election official who issues your ballot must digitally attach your ballot's ID number to YOUR photo ID information, SSN, whatever can be used to uniquely identify you and allow you to view exactly who you voted for and the time stamp of when your ballot was scanned.
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Scanners should immediately display your ballot ID and repeat back your vote(s).
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Scanners should also print out a copy of your ballot on a different color paper for the voter's records and to prove your submitted ballot is not the one that just came out since the color is different.
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After all votes are tallied by the scanners, the paper ballots must be counted by hand and a bar code that links to each ballot ID should be scanned to prove that every ballot is accounted for and matches exactly with the scanner data and to prevent a ballot from being counted by hand twice.
Im sure there are more things I can add to this list, but these are my ideas.
Being able to prove who you vote for is necessary imo. It's about transparency of the system. I understand this comes with problems. I think it could be done in a different way such that it is temporarily displayed.
Voting is such a complex issue because you want security and transparency. You almost cant have both without sacrificing different parts of each.
Being able to prove who you vote for is necessary imo. It's about transparency of the system. I understand this comes with problems. I think it could be done in a different way such that it is temporarily displayed.
Voting is such a complex issue because you want security and transparency. You almost cant have both without sacrificing different parts of each.
(somehow tagged my own post instead of yours lmao)
When I say scanners, I mean digital counters that are completely offline. They are just simply to ensure that the hand counters have data that must match their count. If not, then another audit must occur. The scanners act as a second defense since the voter themselves must enter their ballot into it.
This means all scanned ballots are stored and locked inside until voting ends. Then hand counted and compared with the scan data. If they match, good. If not, full audit.
As for ID, you're right. Make it a whole new form of photo ID. Federally issued with up to date photos every 1-5 years (not sure what number id go for.. probably 3 years), and to get one you gotta prove citizenship. Thanks for your input Anon
No electronic voting
Blockchain only works when you pair it with paper. It's pretty much exactly what I proposed. You need multiple security measures on top of paper to ensure fakes aren't made, duplicates are impossible, etc.
Thought so lmao
Everyone here understands the issue with electronic voting. You aren't getting the issues with 100% paper voting and hand counts by volunteers who could be corrupt.
Your proposal would allow for individuals to count how they see fit and ensure there is no form of proof to your vote being made and made the way you intended once you leave because all they need to do is lose and destroy that ballot and make a new one in it's place.
My proposal is simply a measure that goes on top of the paper ballots that would provide multiply security levels. Redundancy is important to security. If you lose the original, there is no fixing it. Digital copies as well as a physical copy for the voter themselves to keep should be done in some way imo
Yall are missing the point.
100%, we need paper ballots hand counted with live streamed video recording from multiple angles of the process.
However, your ballots themselves need to be DIGITALLY uniquely identifiable. In Virginia all ballots are 100% clones of each other. There isn't a single thing on those papers that set them apart from each other. That means the moment I leave the building, my ballot can be swapped for a forgery because it isn't uniquely identifiable and linked to my ID. It's anonymous and replaceable.
No one here, including myself, wants an electronic vote. We are saying have a digital backup that must match the physical paper. Have everything be identifiable so that fake ballots cant be injected after voting.
Yall seriously aren't getting these simple safeguards that Im proposing. They aren't meant to replace the counting system. They are meant to be in parallel to the hand count to prove any funny business immediately. The more layers to security, the harder it is to cheat. You cant expect to cheat physically if your physical ballot needs to be digitally compared to a locked out digital database that closed at the end of voting. Now you have a bunch of fake ballots that you cant swap with real ballots or even put them in as new ballots because the digital copy is locked and the new ballots will alert as not a match with the system.
I give up bro 😂
You want everything recorded but cant trust a live stream? A live stream must also have a physical backup too. That can be magnetic tape if you want it to be.