>>2222830

But that's only with what I presume is a fiat currency (which can't be EMP'd and if it's gold backed would be immune to apocalyptic scenarios).

Remember, the guy was angry at me saying crypto was temporary. Q, nor Trump, have made no assertions nor backing of crypto (I would be very surprised if they suddenly started now).

>>2863894

Fair enough point, but the anon was ridiculing me for considering disaster scenarios. Even without EMP, on a micro-scale, no electricity or internet (any period of outage) means crypto is useless. Perhaps they missed the recent hurricanes that devastated several states.

>>2865315

>ammo, medicine and food are.

And in my trifecta suggestions was food, which the anon you're quoting ridiculed. Crypto goes out in any electricity or internet outage, in the same way if there's no power to ATMs you can't withdraw physical cash.

EMP is a perma-death scenario for crypto, but an internet outage (Q's references to an internet killswitch I can confirm) or any disruption to electricity for an extended period makes crypto bunk for a disaster.

Crypto was never designed with disaster resiliency in mind, merely decentralisation of financial power. But maybe that's a void for someone to fill ('PrepCoin' or something?).

>>2871064

>NSA has it all

Ah, government shill outs themselves, at long last 'stop hiding from the NSA because the NSA already has everything'. If the NSA already has everything, why are you getting so worked up about preppers keeping details secret?

And the NSA deals primarily with SIGINT. That's messages, information, signals, electronics - they can't intercept what nobody fucking sends, can they? If they 'have it all', tell me what I'm thinking right now?

Physically hiding assets and NOT publicly announcing them doesn't even really concern the NSA (they would need HUMINT - CIA's job - and enough manpower to physically watch every person who ever prepped).

Q is only after child fiddlers and bad guys. NSA shouldn't be wasting their 'precious' time (didn't they claim 'something something Russian collusion' about Trump?) stalking innocents and patriots who want to be prepared.

No-one is being threatened by some buried fucking treasure in some backyard, and it's not info any anon nor crook needs to know about. This ain't fucking treasure island, you do not get an 'X marks the spot' as to where to find hidden gold and silver (or food).

>>2877412

Actually, harddrives would be wiped in an EMP scenario.

Ever seen what happens to a CD in a microwave?

Any devices plugged in would surge out, burn. Anything remaining (harddrives rely on magnetisation) would be degaussed, fried. Look into what happened during the Carrington event with just telegraph poles.

Generators would fry, and having crypto on even a protected harddrive would be useless. It's not a case of 'if a few miners keep mining' because restoration of services in post-apocalypse is on the order of years (it would take 10 years to produce enough replacement transformers for the electrical grid in 'normal conditions', IE with electricity functioning normally).

This is of course ignoring radiation (radiation destroys electronics too - look into why triple redundancy is used in space or radiation systems).

You've also a got a domino effect. Some nuclear plant designers are incredibly dumb. Their backup generators (to keep coolant systems running during 'shutdown' - which takes a minimum of 3 days with a hard boron injection) are, get this… other nuclear power plants. On the electrical grid.

Yeah, you're reading that right.

The US would be covered in radioactive waste if three key plants were destroyed. In an EMP event all electrical power sources, including backup diesel generators, would be fried. You'd have runaway meltdowns due to lack of cooling power (basically what happened in Fukushima).

I count a minimum of 133 nuclear plants in the North-East of the US alone. Their cybersecurity is shit. Some can be found on Shodan. Attacks on nuclear plants are not isolated, with one nuclear engineer reporting watching 'valves turn as some script kiddy experimented with the controls'. They shut off access, but a large portion are not airgapped (and those that are can be pwned just by standing nearby).

If EMP hits, crypto will be totally useless. Perma-death of crypto. Even if the EMP was entirely localised to the US. I hate to think how many of the 133 nuclear plants would meltdown, but assuming a domino effect, anywhere between 1/4 quarter to, well, all of them. They're not EMP shielded (look in the SHIELD act).

Harddrive storage is only useful if you have a society or internet structure to return to. If you want to survive a disaster or apocalypse, pick food and water. Crypto is only good for beating banks (and maybe tracking but that remains to be seen).

Same issue with money kept in a bank account, too: that would be gone in a post-EMP event. That's all recorded on digital storage.

Just in-case you think I'm hyping it up, quoting from a queerly worded PDF (excuse the formatting, but it's how it appears in the PDF verbatim):

"Plant auxiliary equipment, like pumps and other elec-

trical drives and lights during normal operation are

typically fed from two redundant consumer bus-bar

systems using power from the main alternator driven

by the steam turbine. In case this main generator set

is shut down the operational source of power is lost."

"When the external backup power line is no longer

available, most NPPs depend on various levels of

diesel engine driven generator sets."

"Level 1 backup power – from grid through separate

feeder: Each nuclear plant has its consumer bus-bars

connected to the grid independently, so that power

from the grid will feed the consumer bus-bars immedi-

ately and shutdown operation can continue without

interruption using the standard operation equipment."

Keywords to highlight:

"external backup power line" (??? - external, from where, powered by what?)

"most" (not all. Who doesn't have diesel backup generators?)

"Each nuclear plant has its consumer bus-bars

connected to the grid" (electrical grid? Why is 'power from the grid' 'backup power'?!)

If cars, trucks, lorries etc get EMP'd how do you deliver diesel to the site?

In theory they should have enough for 3 days continuous operation.

…Do they?

"Fuel tank for 8 h operation."

"The new installation also had to be designed to

resist electromagnetic impact"

Suggesting old installations are vulnerable, of course.

http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/content/Caterpillar/CM20170217-55802-65351

There's other terrifying disaster scenarios, but you can be safely assured a harddrive containing crypto will be useless in all except a total collapse of your country's fiat currency (assuming it's not paired with any other disaster). It's worth adding this isn't the most terrifying thing facing the human race, either.