>>23372782 pb

or… Israel is on the verge of winning its ultimate victory over the American people and just needs people to sit down and shut up about things until the the end of their plan is executed.

I will read it since I am interested in what these supposed coms are, but keeping a plan going for 125 years with out the vast majority of the population knowing about it it more than a bit fantastical. I happen to know quite a bit about my family, its past, and the idea that a plan could extend across multiple generations without the use of massive phycological manipulation and coercion lacks the perspective of human nature. It seems to be the reason the families this supposed hidden movement is trying to dismantle use sexual abuse and childhood trauma to maintain family and group cohesion for their multi generational plans. So what mechanism would a group like the military use to maintain a plan over 3-5 generations? How would the ideas and plans hatched prior to the modern life remain relevant as the world not only transformed into something the founders could likely barely envision, but also turned most social norms on their heads? And even if the group could pull off this multi generational operation, how is a secret battle carried out without the knowledge, consent, or participation of the American people, based on the judgements of men who believe they know what God wants, what is good and what is evil, and what the best interests of the American people are, any different than the secretive cabal who believe they also know the answers to those conundrums.

Seems more likely, these are the stories we tell ourselves to help ourselves cope with a reality full of the chaos of human complexity and battles that can never be won, only fought.

>>23373304

kek, she got her black eye

>>23373321

as someone who implies you know know what is going on, why a reasonable person trust anything said by anyone at this point?

>>23373345

that is what all dead people say

>>23373357

your dead, you just don't know it yet, so yep I hear you

>>23373387

no one made it out alive yet, seems you do too since future proves past

>>23373425

if past proves the future, you are dreaming

>>23373447

explain then, because I don't believe for a second you know either.

>>23373464

oh I grasp it alright, I know you are full of shit and your self-confidence is built on a bed of pipe dreams.

>>23373471

Law is the opposite of freedom, he is right, you are an authoritarian, not a lover of freedom

>>23373478

Freedom only works with people who posses and practice great self control. loving freedom for the sake of freedom leads to chaos.

>>23373518

I am only making an observation, my needs have nothing to do with it. It just plain does not work in a group of people who lack self control. My approval or disapproval is irrelevant to the observation.

>>23373559

I am latterly saying freedom in a group of people who lack self control is chaos. Groups where chaos is the norm cease to exist, just the way it works. When you signup for the military, you give up the vast majority of your day to day freedom. If you did not, you would not have the military, you would have a leftist militia unless everyone involved knows what to do empathically and does it because they have significant self control. There is a reason hippi colonies no longer exist in any meaningful way. So yes, freedom in a group of people who lack self control leads to chaos which leads to the group disbanding.

>>23373590

yea, you have not read the constitution, have you?

>>23373636

I never claimed to love freedom, I personally do not know if it can work in most societies. On the other hand I can tell you I have a strong personal distaste for authoritarianism. I am a realist, and if your claim is that you love unconditional freedom, you are fooling yourself. That devise you are typing on would not exist in a society made up of humans at their current level of self control and with unconditional freedom.

>>23373700

kek, and yet you did not like how I misspelled literally, I guess some rules suit your needs.

That said, if you think going back to a completely natural experience, with no rules and the strongest survives is better, there is nothing stopping you from heading up to any of the northern wildernesses and live out your existence with nature's freedom, maybe even get some like minded individuals to go with you so you can test out your hypothesis on freedom to see how long it lasts without rules. It may not be what you think.

>>23373722

you may have an existential crisis if the Epstein thing turns out to be true. Unfortunately for you there is more hard and circumstantial evidence that it is true than that it is false, and I say that hoping it it is not true because it would be very bad for the country.

>>23373798

nah, Christianity is not monolithic enough for that.

>>23373828

nah, you have been going on about freedom and rules and laws that people only like when they serve themselves. as stated that applies to all laws, but if you are now backing off and saying some laws we make are ok because they serve us all, then you are talking about something different. then you are talking about how we decided what laws actually serve people vs harm their growth. and that is a line that is very hard to judge, as most people will not be able to agree because feelz cloud their judgement. Take Trump the Epstien thing. IF he is involved, their are people who will argue that he didn't touch pre pubescents girls and the 18 year old age is just a made up rule that is not natural, once they bleed, they are ready to breed. they will argue that Trump is to important to the MAGA cause and what he did is not treasonous so has no place in the national discourse. Other will draw a very diffrent line, arguing that the laws are their to protect young girls from exactly this kind of situation and no one is above the law. point being, all the rules you think are hindering people from experiencing and self improving from their growing pains, turn out to be very hard to figure out where the line is going to be drawn. perspective makes the where you draw the lines look completely different depending which side of the line you are standing on.

>>23373902

you underestimate the republicans who see self control as might makes right and those who blindly follow along. republicans are not immune from the lack of self control as the fact that Trump has 3 wives attests. Fiscally conservative republicans often are devoid of the morals that allow society to exist and as such leave much to be desired when it come to making a liveable society.

>>23373941

>It's not hard to judge at all. It's very simple.

kek, if that were true, there would be well adjusted societies that last for more than a couple of hundred years. They never do, because humans lack self control and the ability to judge every situation in a chaotic world without bias and trust everyone else is doing the same (because they are not).

distracting law enforcement from what?