>>23760827 pb
>permanently reject the idea of ever joining NATO.
I don't think that's the issue any more.
I think the issue is that ukraine is going to be a constant thorn in the side of russia and will rearm and attack again & again until Russia is weakened enough that ugay and its minions will join in.
This is long term strategy
There can be no 'ceasefire' for this reason
ugay will keep rearming ukraine and funding it