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the n is for natural, i remember when Q posted then quickly removed the post saying it was too early to bring this new economic system to Q posts …
its kinda cool, i think it would work …
The Natural Economic Order is a monetary and social reform theory developed by Silvio Gesell, centered on eliminating unearned income (interest and land rent) by redesigning money and land ownership.
Basic idea and goals
Gesell’s goal is an economic order where people “compete on equal terms with the equipment given them by nature,” meaning no one can live off interest or land rent without working.
He sees traditional capitalism and Marxist socialism as both flawed: capitalism because of unearned income and crises, Marxism because of rigid state control; his system aims at a liberal, market‑based but non‑exploitative order.
Key monetary idea: “free money”
Gesell argues that money has an unfair advantage over goods: goods decay, while money can be hoarded risk‑free, letting holders demand interest.
His solution is demurrage or “free money”: currency that loses a small amount of value over time (for example, via stamps or fees) so holding cash is costly, like storing perishable goods.
If money decays, people won’t hoard it; they’ll spend or invest quickly, which he believes would keep demand steady, prevent depressions, and drive interest rates toward zero.
Land and rent
Gesell also targets land rent as unearned income: in his view, scarcity of land lets landlords charge rent above true costs and fair wages.
He proposes putting land into some form of public or community ownership and then distributing its rental value in socially useful ways (for example, emphasizing support for mothers and families), to break landlord privilege.
In his ideal equilibrium, commodity prices equal wages, because both interest and excess rent are eliminated from the price structure.
Relationship to socialism and liberalism
Gesell explicitly shares with socialists the aim of abolishing surplus value from interest and rent, but he keeps markets, competition, and private enterprise, expecting “free competition” to favor the efficient and improve human welfare.
Some commentators describe his system as “anti‑Marxian socialism” or market‑based social reform, since it blends liberal markets with aggressive institutional changes in money and land.
Modern relevance
His ideas influenced later experiments with demurrage currencies and complementary money systems (local currencies that lose value over time to stimulate circulation).
Contemporary “new economics” and alternative monetary thinkers still revisit Gesell’s Natural Economic Order when discussing how to prevent hoarding, smooth business cycles, and reduce inequality without abolishing markets outright.
Q posted the Natural World Order theory based on the Natural Economic Order about the time Q was posting about how antifa flags resembled nazi flags, and then deleted the post saying too early to roll this out on anons and that post was deleted as well …
common law is coming, and biden mentioned once long long ago, … they all working to gether to bring abundance and peace on earth and you will see the middle and lower income taxes deleted prob within a year to show good faith to the hard working tax payer who has provided so much to the world without even knowing everyone feasting off our labors
maybe there was an argument amongst the Q up in their spaceships, as to whether this is not feasible economic solution to our mammon based currency issues, like greed, hoarding, usury, etc etc etc
id like to go back to trading goods and services but that would not work in this day and age
currency allows for theft of someones labor, their energy, i think currency represents energy not information which is what the worlds richest man believes it stands for>>24809530
nah, i respectfully disagree, is that ok, or do i have to think what you think and then we can be frens, i think thats silly
mammon is a very nasty entity that has caused wars, murders, theft, usury, enslavement,
Simple example of demurrage money
Imagine two kinds of money:
Regular $100: If you hold it for a year, you still have $100 and may even earn interest. Hoarding is attractive.
Gesell’s demurrage $100: The system charges, say, 1% per month “holding fee” (you need monthly stamps or pay a charge), so after a year of not using it, you’ve effectively paid $12 in fees. Hoarding is costly.
What happens in practice:
With regular money, a rich saver can sit on large balances and wait for good deals or interest; this slows circulation and, in downturns, can deepen recessions.
With demurrage money, you either spend, invest, or lend it out quickly (even at 0% interest) because keeping it idle slowly costs you. This raises the velocity of money and cushions slumps.
A real‑world test was the Wörgl experiment (Austria, 1932–33): the town issued local “work vouchers” that lost about 1% of value per month. Spending surged, unemployment dropped, and public works were funded—until the central bank shut it down.
How this differs from Marxist socialism
Ownership and markets: Marxist socialism typically aims for collective or state ownership of the means of production and central planning of output and prices. Gesell keeps private business and market pricing but attacks unearned income from interest and land rent via institutional reforms.
Role of money: Marxist theory focuses on abolishing capitalist exploitation through ownership changes and planning, not redesigning money itself. Gesell treats the structure of money as the core problem—he thinks interest‑bearing, hoardable money structurally produces crises and inequality.
State vs. decentralization: Marxist systems often rely on strong state planning and centralized control. Gesell’s Natural Economic Order seeks a competitive, largely decentralized market environment where money and land rules remove structural privileges, so “free competition” works more fairly
im sure there were a lot of heated debates amongst the Q about that post that was deleted
goods do depreciate over time, certain goods, so if currency could mimic goods as much as possible that would be fine with me
down with hoarders
look at elon, he put all his currency earned back to work iim willing to bet
mammon was a god, a very bad fallen angel demon thingy
one of the seven vices is greed, serving mammon
Mammon isn’t a “good” god at all—in biblical and later Christian tradition, it’s the personification of wealth, greed, and materialism that directly competes with devotion to God and destroys people spiritually.
Trump and his family and elon always give back to the community, they dont hoard, they create wealth for others with their wealth
What “Mammon” means
The word comes from Aramaic roots meaning money, wealth, possessions, or “that in which one trusts.”
In the New Testament, Jesus uses “Mammon” in sayings like Matthew 6:24 and Luke 16:13: “You cannot serve both God and Mammon,” so wealth is treated almost like a rival master or god.
you cant be greedy which i never thought of hoarders, but yeah, misers are greedy, they wont part with nothing, they dont share, its like the ring in lord of the rings, they didnt want to part with it
no its not at all, youre just twisting facts
clowns are trying to make something very simple to understand into a clouded pos like they always do, always with the negative vibe, retardos, that vibe will boomerang back at them in their cubicles and i pay the intelligence agencies salaries with my non stellar job
anons are smart and im sure they understand the novel idea of depreciation of money thats not put back into the money supply, it needs to invested, spent, not placed under your mattress, thats worship of money, even in the parables the guy who buries the money in a hole in the grounded because feared his boss' wrath if he lost the money by investing, he got chewed out by the Boss for looking at the Boss like that, that hes pissed off if you try to make money from money, he wouldnt be,
first of all you dont need to attack me and say i dont want parents to provide for their families, i was just explaining what i saw when i read Qs posts before they deleted them and they did reference that system in austria that was tried out and the post did say that the N did not stand for New but Natural, im pretty sure my memory serves correctly
so yeah, im no economist, and if you would like that answer i will put into perplexity and see what the search engine spits out to that question, you could do it too instead thinking im your enemy by proposing a novel idea
i think its super cool
there is a good chance that this system is employed in the advanced civilizations on earth that stay hidden until this moment in time, and they just trying to help us evolve into our highest potential like they did
no i dont believe in mammon, it was referenced by Jesus and you are twisting my words, which is your professions,
screw the intellgence agencies that spend soooo much of my hard earned taxes learning how to manipulate deceive and twist the average citizens mindset into a demoratlization spiral
they will have to undo that, unfortunately for them, i dont have a high regard for deception and those that are professionals at deception, nothing good can come from, it, sorry Tom Cruise, its not your fault
the "poor" people are the ones paying your salary while you sit all bloated and full of self adulation in your fbi cubicle
there you go with the negative vibe, youre so full of light arent ya
Under Gesell’s Natural Economic Order, ordinary people saving up for a car, clothes, or baby items are not treated as “hoarders” to be denied those things. The target is large, passive hoarding of money and land that generates unearned income (interest and rent), not normal, purposeful saving for real needs.
What Gesell is trying to stop
Gesell’s main enemies are usury and land rent: situations where someone can live off interest or land ownership without working, just by sitting on cash or property.
His demurrage idea makes it costly to hold big piles of idle money for long periods purely to extract interest, pushing that money into active use (investment, wages, purchases).
fascinating idea, i wish Q had left the posts
How purposeful saving would work
In a demurrage system, you can still save; the difference is that long‑term saving is more likely to happen through productive assets (like savings accounts, funds, or co‑ops that invest in real activity) rather than piles of cash under the mattress.
Someone saving for a car or baby items might keep some money for a few months, pay modest holding costs, and then buy what they need—nothing in Gesell’s framework suggests that’s morally wrong or should be forbidden.
Gesell’s aim is that prices and wages align more fairly because interest and excess land rent aren’t baked into everything, so in theory it should be easier for working people to afford normal life goods.
im getting the feeling this language model is sparking up at the thought of this type of economic system , hmmm, first time i ever saw it seem to get excited about anything, usually sounds like a librarian
are economic system is based on debt,… as any economist, they make money off of debt, we need to switch pronto, asap, with godspeed to a asset based economy, this system might be it, or a good stepping stone or something altogether different from what the world has seen
the powers that were squashed it like a bug in austria when they first tested it out, so that means to me that it probably is a good solid system and not one that hoarders/greedy people can take advantage of the average funloving hardworking citizen that just wants simple life and no taxes
hoarders are not people who save for cars, homes or baby items, their people who make tons money off of usury and renting out land, they arent using the land in the best way, it should be owned by individuals not hoarded in excessive amounts because that typically leads to corruption
it would be nice if any citizens of agartha or lemuria are on this thread if they could pitch in a few lines of support
Gesell’s ideas sound weird at first glance, so people either call them “communism” or “new age cult stuff,” when in reality they’re a market‑friendly attempt to stop ring‑style hoarding without telling normal people to live like monks.
the Parable of the Talents in Matthew 25:14–30 (KJV), where “a man travelling into a far country” calls his servants and delivers his goods (money) to them before he leaves.
To one servant he gives five talents, to another two talents, and to another one talent, “to every man according to his several ability,” and then he goes on his journey.
What the servants do
The servant with five talents trades with them and gains five more; the servant with two talents likewise gains two more.
The servant with one talent is afraid, digs in the earth, and hides his lord’s money, returning only what he was given when the master comes back.
The master’s response
When the lord returns, he settles accounts: the first two servants are called “good and faithful servants,” told they’ve been faithful over a few things, and are made rulers over many things and invited to “enter…into the joy of thy lord.”
The servant who buried the talent is rebuked as “wicked and slothful”; the master says he should at least have put the money with exchangers so the lord could receive his own with usury (interest). The single talent is taken from him and given to the one who now has ten.
Jesus concludes with the principle that “unto every one that hath shall be given… but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath,” and the unprofitable servant is cast into “outer darkness… there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
So the lord woulda loved what Trump or Elon woulda made on his money when he returned
you are just spinning and not trying to understand what Gesell's economic system represents which is why Q team pulled it, they said we werent ready for it yet and i beleive they are right, the brainwashing is so deep, no one can see what Jesus was teaching either, its the same system basically as Gesell
dont hoard your money, put it to work and if you do, it will lose value just like goods that are placed on a shelf instead of being sold or traded would do
in fact take the currency out of the picture, use goods, a man had a bumper crop and one of his sons put his share ina wharehouse instead of selling it and it eventually spoiled, the other son sold it at the marketplace and was able to buy seed to plant even more crops on his fathers land
there, i hope that is a much simpler idea to convey
i think i was better able to explain why i like the gesell economic system so much upon hearing about it tonite, i explained that if you took away the currency and replaced it with crops that were harvested, you could better see what Jesus was trying to teach about creating abundance, esp in east of eden where its hard to create abundance, you can either hoard the crops in a wharehouse until they eventually spoil, or you can trade them for food or seeds to plant even more crops,
i cannot stand people who are eugenics freaks, like youre adonis or something?
im not jewish and im not anything, im just simple adn i want a simple life without taxes, id be happy with just that simple change in my lifetime
camdace and kanye are retards and do not represent anhyone but retards
was he really part Argentine? thats awesome, both my parents were Argentines, thats awesome thank you for that information
oh and you can piss off as well, theres no need to embelllish the fact that you disagree
ideas are not for everyone to agree on, discourse can refine them into greater things but in this crap society which has been demoralize by agents of deceit for decades, a normal discussion of a simple idea spirals into the jews did it, aint nobody got time for that, it just stalls us into not moving forward
what are you the post police? the bred is at 178 replies, and if the shills can post endlessly about how the jews did absolutely nothing of any good, then i can post, and theres that filter, apparently you like read to my posts, i have to admit the whole gesell thing is very very interesting
the fbi agents are getting restless as real ideas are being discussed and they are looking at their algorithm sheets on how to counteract such daring bravado
is this elon then?
you know first of all, i have given birth, try that, and without any medication either, so there
second of all, you dont know my education experiences and you never will because i wont post them on a message board full of irs agents ffs
well your accomplishments are amazing but i dont see economist listed there in those deeds
ok seeing as how you have a decent frontal lobe and able to exchange opposing ideas without murdering me online, then what sayest thou about the parable that Jesus explained? isnt it the same exact system? use it or lose it basically, the law of the jungle
oh brother what a mean thing to think let alone post, honestly
i can just picture your fbi algorithm flash cards, if anon starts speaking intelligently, immediately post in CAPS and mention jews and zionists and swinging from ropes can be exhilirating if done correctly, its all in the dance
s o youre from darpa then?
you shut up you divider you
someone said just crash a plane into it to take it down … the replies are golden
thats very impressive, do you think that they can take over the present darpa run internet by controlling those internet keys? would anyone notice if the internet was being served out on something like a space based platform?
somone in replies said you cant pull a skyscraper down that is not stable as the crews need to get in there safely underneath to put the explosives, so right there the whole 911 narrative is destroyed, how could they pull down bldg 7 and set the necessary explosives if it wasnt already wired because no demolition team would send in people underneath an unstable skyscraper
that skyscraper is slowly unraveling both the unplanned demo of bldg 7 and the pancaking of the floors upon eachother leading to a bldg falling in on its own footprint
since they evacuated nine surrounding bldgs i bet they just let it fall
i bet it wont fall into its own footprint even if the floors pancake with weight it prob wills top accelarating before reaching ground level
enoch said there is not only work in heaven but a prison too for those that break heavens law once they let in the pearly gates
Looks like it is now a sky’scrapper’
i mean a whole new internet, not the world wide web anymore, they lost control of the internet protocol keys, its possible now because in 2017 they passed legislation that made it possible to do this where before it wasnt so im pretty sure Q team gonna do it, and we wouldnt see anything different from our end, the dns would still take us to where we wanted to go
jfk also took the red folder back through the stargate, so who brought it back? and are there more than one i dont think so
if God is flesh and blood then there is a material thing in Heaven going on
the posts could be out of order, like that one was the very last one, the others came through the portal later even though they were sent from Q earlier than that last post
@ikosmic-5126
2 days ago
Controlled demolition in manhattan? If they are gonna remove it it’s gonna have to be stabilized first anyway
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@BearPig
1 day ago
@ikosmic-5126 they’ve done it before
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@soapppppppppppppppp
1 day ago
@BearPig oh they did
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@thundre398
1 day ago
@soapppppppppppppppp Never Forget
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@williamperezjr3424
1 day ago
@soapppppppppppppppp Yes 911
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@renamamiya9196
1 day ago
@BearPig Lol I knew someone would say it.
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@Asdfghjjit
1 day ago
@BearPig Came looking for this comment
its happening
you wear velcro shoes dont you
well ive always thought that JEsus was known as who is like God in Heaven and that he had to be in the garden and made adam and eve in his likeness, or maybe just eve, maybe he was the first adam and the new adam too
@hurrdurrmurrgurr
2 days ago
@PatrickHolensaber It's not impossible, just pour some jet fuel on one floor and it will perfectly implode into its footprint.
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@EdFreeman-b9f
2 days ago
@hurrdurrmurrgurr no no, you gotta put the jet fuel in the building next door😂
maybe when they took the gold out of the bank of america vaults underneath the towers they replaced it with stacks of dyn0-mite
@Aimin4ya
1 day ago
Somebody call Bush
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@GomiThePaladin
2 days ago
Agreed, if left it could topple sideways. If they bow the bottom it'll drop straight down. Best option
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@raniel32
1 day ago
Like the wtc.
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@martinmethod427
1 day ago
By Civilian Airliner preferably… hey it's this or it's One WTC; Take your pick…
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@rramirezvip
2 days ago
Use a plane, it has worked before
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well i think the farmer was killed by the hunter not the other way round, thats just what i think, i mean the farmer would not shed blood as easily as a hunter
it was headquarters, global, of pfizer and its nyc pfizer kids back up center was there , so lots of servers there and stuff, be ironic if they used this skyscrapper event, sky event to disclose both 911 and covid 19
the bodies are buried under tully road
What we know about the WTC gold
Underground vaults beneath 4 World Trade Center held tons of gold and silver—roughly 12 tons of gold and nearly 30 million ounces of silver, used to guarantee COMEX metals trades and held for banks like the Bank of Nova Scotia.
After 9/11, once crews could safely access the area, authorities oversaw the relocation of this hoard; armored trucks were seen moving the recovered metals out so the damaged building could be demolished.
New York City officials at the time stated that “most” of the estimated hundreds of millions in precious metals had been found and removed, with no mainstream documentation that it had been secretly emptied just before the attacks.
wouldnt those metals ahve melted like the steel beams?
it is nice to see most of the comments in the replies are bringing up the WTC collapse, so if the world is watching and it does fall and it doesnt pancake all the way down to ground level, well then, there goes their narrative
yeah theyve managed to change the narrative because i remember the banks did remove the gold from the vaults several days before the collapse, it was well documented, now they say it was after the collapse, but it was molten metal at ground zero for months because of the thermite
yummy
what about conjunction junction
they get tons of credit, they have sitcoms movies movie actors portraying them in heroic deeds …
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you rang?
who asked you? that meme is stupid btw