>>24934132

They lifted it from things like this “Rosicrucian.”

This however is really not them but the counter movement to what was deemed as Napoleon group that was more is followers closer types. They continue to do things that use symbology that is not them…

They took it I believe infiltrating this original group and used it after to show a sign of rebellion against political organization. It later was adopted by Antifa in the early 1900 really more around 1914 ish to 1920 as the inception of this group. No one knows the exact date from my research but it become a group to cause anarchy in an urban area but also rule as well…

The things that they have no adopted much like this first one was like that of the secret police or SS of the Nazi in their first inception as well. This is why they are similar in form.

It is true that some areas of intelligence do you concepts or these things still but the reality is people are using it far beyond what they normally use all the time even them selves.

This is where it is going hand and hand with anarchy to try to bring about chaos and bring about the change or government like this now.

That is where it is dangerous as most the lower levels do not know this and even if it is not a formal antifa group they can go ahead and make it work with only a small group with in a fake one… this is what is making it so dangerous now.

They back then would use woman, children, and other issue that they can try to manipulate society to then go after targets of their choosing. Things like accusing people of beating children or miss treating them. This is now been replaced by “child porn” accusation and framing people in this manner. It is also then woman as well saying that some man miss treated them like beat them or rapped them or things along this line. The hardest thing is though now is their is pings in the areas and any time they make fails accusations there is evidence that contradicts anything they see bringing up.

This or these idea are to try to gain public support and attention this helps grow the numbers in their organization which then doubles as a group that really back then worked under the Sicilian Mafia, This is where a man named Mori was brought in to try to go after them but WW2 broke out after the 1937 before this they almost completely taken away the mafia. Speculation that it ended up moving to other areas like the US during prohibition was normal and funding likely sent back to the home country. This is then using these tactics and Mussolini was not popular especially in the South this was then used because they didn’t have as many resources to then cover the areas that where needed. This is really how Mussolini fell… the antifa groups gained enough support which where even support by other Allied groups. This was just seen as the enemy of my enemies is my friend type of things. Some of the antifa was psyop themselves much like the IRA was or a few other groups in areas used as a way to group national pride factors around. This is groups that could try to relate to Nazi though being communist. It is unseen as to what Italy would have done should Germany won the war it is possible that the antifa factions would helped force them to join the Nazi. This is due to communism.

The rose became a symbol later associated more with them not in the early years… this was adopted because I believe French descendants taught them these things from the time that Napoleon was over thrown.

Most do not know he employed these tactics more then others new. This is what the EU modern now did not like in areas. Besides his artillery experience and methods they were revolutionary.

>>24934921

Note this is the relation or lifted it as an idea.

“The Wars of the Roses, known at the time and in the following centuries as the Civil Wars“

This is idea that disorder would give rise to them or people to power they wanted. It was not associated with any really larger Order until “Rosicrucian.”

“ Rosicrucian (or Rosicrucian-inspired) organizations since the Rosicrucians appeared as characters from literary works, including the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross (1750s–1790s), the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia (1865–present), and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (1887–1903).”

They did not have as much effect in areas like the Golden Dawn they confuse the tactics being employed at times in areas with the ideals is the like communist Rose or antifia.

It is a play on the word Rose as in rose up to rebellion. This is also found in areas…

These orders more or less focus on heavy symbology and methods to go after target individuals. Some is used by agency but limitations are normally placed and more or less over sight is given in this area as it can spark things like revolutions once people understand how to use these concepts in areas or uprisings.

This is more or less what it was used for and all major orders know of it but they do not employ these things usually it seems someone is more 1700 French then people would think. This is also where again the idea of communism was around but not labeled is all formations of it where mostly during Napoleon time period with no formal name… this is where some concepts where lead back to Islamic idea of taxes in the like “Abbasid Dynasty.” This was theorized to be the first inceptions of communism. This however is also a play on communion… like a religious order but more that or Brothers or Priest… that ran an area efficiently with little money needed due to a central force of self governance. This concept was stolen from both Christianity and Islamic taxation to then combine with older like secret societies that where trained from Secret Service or Intel like if the old.

It seems with modern technology applied it is now making a large comeback through centralizing communication between communist or social democratic. However this is just used as cover for them to go after individual as intel agency or people within the government that are also in likely some orders using all of this to then cause this destabilization.

You will not find as much of this around in things however they will find this is largely correct in all aspects of things going on. It is less known because people are worried about Antifa and communist other groups such as BLM forming as well as of shoots or the IRA where doing things like this or Mafia… it is however using a movement as cover… this is much like rally around someone dead in some injustice and then cause society to be destabilized be the force in the end standing as you try to make society rip it self apart. This conserved their resources and also allows them to try to befriend both sides or others sided then to take their resources as much as they can.

That is the whole idea of things in these realms. Most things also where on tristmagistic type of roles using what would be seen as a carnival type approach to things. This was some times applied is all in ways to flush out an individual in areas causing a fight or flight reaction to then give them a chance to frame them or put them in a worse light to the public being about their fall and abuse more accepted by society.

It seems some have sold some on doing this like a gang or mafia jumping people in to their networks… Frats or Sorority some times also have done similar things of this nature. There are also other social groups that are around in areas. Like gangs of New York or the movie the “Warriors” they form factions… unknown to most of them a government like secret service or really back then FBI but Pinkerton version from rail road. This is where a lot of this is coming from from in ideas… some of these Rail road ideas where used in California as it started to rise up in population as mining was around and some other issues in the Wild Wild West where needed to be addressed like mobs being formed and also rail robbery and disruption of goods being transported.

Most all do not know the full extent of these histories how there is tactics employed some successfully just not seen as such some times as the groups are made to fail as they disappear hopefully the group disappears as well. The issue is they are not in areas now Prisoners gangs and other mafia or organized crime are starting to employ these things more and more now.

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>>24934132

Anyways some try to relate this as far back as Jesus time period methods of disruption of the Roman Empire. Jesus was not seen as a figure that supported these things infact opposed them but in what I read or understood it seems he knew they existed in some areas. This is where mystery occults go father back then Gold Time period of Greek and Roman period Greek being 483 BC in the higher time period of it.

Then you have things that people often do not understand like Egyptian things that hint at similar things going on. It is possible that some things where used to force the Egyptian leaders to let Moses people go in areas. This is where you see a bridging of time periods if you look at things like this it can go back in some areas as far as 2000 bce but not like antifa just concepts of things. You have more elements of the east that where added in areas of like ability of contortionist off shoots of parcore employed in ways to then rub off on middle easier areas… although more at first a Tazar Hun things… then to others in China in similar fashion. The Vedic period also had these more like City State areas like this was in 5000 bce this had courts that seemed to maybe set these up like the royal personal gaurd or then in some areas that they wanted to transport large amounts of valuable goods… things like mining transport in areas of ways of things.

Pretty much religions were employed as a means of commutation in areas and modern groups adopted them.

You will likely not find a more complete answer of how things developed in these areas of things now. Religion was user to hide behind more of a like enlightenment period concept this was but other earlier times as well. This is where this came from…

>>24935029

Someone seemed to be teaching these things in areas they call AG now and then able to use this after they leave these groups of where AG is in areas.

This is what is odd is they seem to be going against government or agency or really agency are now conducting psyops. This is now where they themselves seem to be causing more trouble then good and are then now doing things that will establish them for later uses like sleeper cells in the community. This is where it is issue they are coming about it was first thought that they could use law enforcement in an outer form to then control them in a not so outer form.

This is where they are failing really badly in this aspect of things as people they learn how to avoid and harass or manipulate law enforcement or agency like this more and more. Odd thing is some may involved people with in the government and seems some are seeking positions to do things like a team in sports to work together like this.

This is where they did seem to understand the idea is behind enemy lines speaking their language and infiltrating things to then caused plays with our being discovered. Is someone could pose as an officer and give an order to do something this is a great advantage to the side able to do this. This is what was going on in areas of plays so to speak. Hits at it like a tank destroyed far behind enemy lines able to do so much damage using deception or things in areas. These things hint at what took place in some areas during this time period.

>>24935040

This is perhaps the most dangerous time period of social unrest due to this being used far and wide by so many now all at once now.

This is only a summary of research I have conducted over the years now in areas of this now.

One last thing Rose was deeply tied to the Egyptian types of mystery out of them and Persian in particular. This was more Egyptian though in images though.

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>>24935053

This is where voodoo comes in to Egyptian things as well… most do not relate that in modern times they are now taking these things and mixing them for new things that have evolved in areas.

The Church has like their Guard this is or was useful to eliminate these things employing the concepts I am seeing by some believe it or not now. However it seems to still be psyop in why they play both sides is all.

This is where it is not the actual Church doing this is the reality now.

This was employed by like personal Guard to eliminate bad elements around now it is just becoming more common practice as resources are more available nor then ever for deception types of things it is only much like explosives just knowing how to bring them together for well a chain reaction they do choose or want to create. The idea is similar in nature but one is more area another is more like slowly cutting down people that no one sees is all.

They do not like hearing this it makes them sound really bad as most are amateurs at things but some seem to have graduated in to much more developed forms mostly from the Italian period of like the over population of nobility that existed that was semi feudal they have a far more advanced refinement to socially manipulation and also deception that was employed.

>>24935062

These are things that are not real in areas looser concepts are now being recreated in areas.

This is like a clock and arrows in ways. This is always on the clock sun is up where it is hotter for more activity and water for below. Each things has a number meaning and can even be combined in other systems believe it or not:

They do not in almost every case understand the depth of things they are employing. This is why I sound so interesting like in areas to people.

However I am not like teaching people to use things just showing connections or things that some may understand but not really concepts of things.

Only really deduction is what I employee and a methodical manner of approach things with strong elements of game theory it would be hard for most of them to be able to use things to this extent with out some larger level of formalized teaching is all.

>>24935070

And yes even some of them wonder as well about what is going on in areas.

Note they are using the idea of keeping quite so no one finds out that they are with in a system doing things they are not noticed is all.

That is the issue in ways is all.

No offense this is the only way I know to stop them when this many people are using applications and these groups to do things in areas. So then they do not want it to be discovered that they are using applications and that they are doing things like this. Believe or not it ups your level of safety this is why this is going on now. That they use no one will say anything and they will deny anything as the groups is things happen and just go they crazy. This is what is going on they just do not understand that the NSA will do a lot more to find out then they think now and that they also will also not be seen the same as I understand what is being done to a point now with things.

This is reality some in government or law enforcement seem like puppets to them is the reality now is all. This is like throwing stones is now what is going on they take people that are stones in society and throw them at people by creating a situation or accusations to then send them to harass bother them in a way that they are not authorized to do.

This is like there was a man fallowing me more then a few in store I saw at lest 3 in wall mart 2 where more in the know and one was the leader behind me short brown man about 5’8 ish or so was him

This is where in the licker or wine area I figure they may show up but they also had kid and a woman slow me down. As if they could stress me out to drink. The things they do are all for it seems this MAD, Dare, and AA groups to now try to bring about someone’s “rock bottom” this is them to human traffic them in their programs that they placed themselves in now counseling, psychology, and other areas they are involved in this area until your find the people connected end to end that they are trying to force people to go though their “levels” or “programs” this is why they went to stress you out to them try to get you to drink or have a reaction like destroying things in a store that they have seen this now before.

This is what is going on now.

That is where these charity programs need to be sued and access that is being shared and used with them need to be close. That is where they will find that shorter man involved in this some where with people in these programs.

Why he got tempted to want to watch or be around this area as it happened… like if someone had a a reaction he was foaming at the mouth to see if things would go the way he wanted. You see smaller stores where not populated enough and he wanted camera systems that where all over. This war their idea.

They are very dangerous invidious and I would like a restraining order placed on them and also if they are being allowed to do things that it is ended.

This was very obvious to me they where a leader if not a ring leader they see not from this state fyi or had a suit on that shows them not looking like this. They moved to much like a thin person this is the issue so that is what I believe. This is now what is going on and they can see it is the issue the NSA now can trace them but notes of what they did so on…

You know when Austin powers tried to yank a wig off this is what it was depicting someone going after someone like this is all.

That is where this one likely would have worked is all with a suit in areas.

This means they are the higher levels in intelligence that are now doing this or trained or helped by them now.