Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 7:19 p.m. No.25016917   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6918 >>6926 >>6930 >>6937 >>6938 >>6950 >>6953 >>6954 >>6955 >>6958 >>6980 >>6985 >>6987 >>6988 >>6995 >>6996 >>7000 >>7002 >>7005 >>7006 >>7008 >>7011 >>7107

This is interesting.

I never considered this before.

It seems to me after listening to this that the Abolitionist have it right.

God’s Law followed seems correct.

Logically and morally.

So, I guess I learned a new way of thinking today.

https://youtu.be/m5rKCxja6n0

Abolitionism vs. Incrementalism DEBATE w/ Doug Wilson

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This debate was originally livestreamed on the Bibledingers YouTube channel in September of 2024. Russell debates pastor Doug Wilson, a well-known proponent of "smashmouth incrementalism," on what the Bible teaches us to do in response to abortion.

 

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Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 7:34 p.m. No.25016926   🗄️.is 🔗kun

It is very interesting I never even hearsd what the Abolitionist were about. Never even heard or thought about it. It makes so much sense. I am glad I took the time to listen to this today.

Imagine if everyone individually, without others chiming into their ear while listening, really ponder what this means. Abolitionist point of view could change society and culture in a rapid way. If one is a. hristian and beleives the bible, the only way you disagree with Abolistionist point of view, is to deny the bible and God’s instruction and would point to fact that you probably are going on feelings not facts of what the bible teaches.

Many or dare I say most Christians are in name only. Not willing to stand for Christ and the truth of the bible they say they believe. That is the problem.

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Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 7:49 p.m. No.25016950   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6953

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@AMessengerofTruth

1 month ago

42:55 Is one of the greatest moments I've ever seen in a debate. Ever. And I've seen tons of theological debates. Wilson was clearly stunned.

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@Andrew_Burger_24

1 month ago

When this video originally aired, this was the video that made me go from thinking I was an abolitionist to actually being one!

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@daveonezero6258

7 days ago

It caused a huge divide in my marriage. Then my wife eventually agreed with me.

 

 

@aarronwilson5647

1 month ago

May our King Jesus establish His justice on our society and protect our precious unborn neighbours.

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Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 7:52 p.m. No.25016955   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@maizeyandjake2514

1 month ago

This debate was eye-opening for me. Being a prior submariner myself, I had a softspot for Doug Wilson but this debate and his stances had me scratching my head. Its easy to see you are anchroed Biblically. Thank you for what you do for our babies.

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 7:55 p.m. No.25016958   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6980

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@turdferguson4357

1 month ago

Incrementalism is not a tool that can change a people with murder in their heart… its a blanket meant to protect wickedness. I struggle with porn, what kind of Incremental tactic can I use to justify living in my sin? Can we use incrementalism for all sins, seems if we can gloss over a sin like taking another life, surely we can fudge the line of every other sin.

I love both these men, but Pastor Doug does not have a leg to stand on with this one.

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Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:14 p.m. No.25016980   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>25016917

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@nunyabusiness3818

1 month ago

@amandamckinney928 Repent. A person coming to an understanding in their mind that what they are doing (sin, whether by thought or deed) is against God (against His law then therefore His character), and to then change their mind to come into alignment with God’s character and laws.

 

Repent is a single unique action: A changing of mind to come into God’s forgiveness.

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:17 p.m. No.25016985   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>25016917

@arcamusiclessons

2 weeks ago

This was one of the best. Debates I’ve heard in a while. Abolitionism is the clearest thing I’ve heard on how to stop abortions

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:18 p.m. No.25016987   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>25016917

@burburkang

3 weeks ago

One interesting point, Doug talks about the "Overton Window" in regards to the 19th amendment in one of his videos. He says (correctly) that the window is not moved from within, but from without. Abolition of child sacrifice is certainly outside of that window. So tactically speaking, abolition works, and morally speaking, abolition is righteous.

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:18 p.m. No.25016988   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@andywebb4861

1 month ago

Watched this when it came out and you represented extremely well. I greatly appreciate Doug Wilson, but the problem is exactly as you laid out, he is a proponent of supposed pragmatism, when in reality it is false pragmatism that goes against Gods ordinations

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:20 p.m. No.25016995   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@motorTranz

1 month ago

From section 1 of the 14th amendment; "nor shall any State deprive any person of LIFE, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:23 p.m. No.25017000   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@cooljams_jams

1 month ago

I love Doug; we share mutual friends. But it's difficult to give him an honest defense on this position. At best, Doug's position is, "Many anti-incrementalists, in the name of abolition, have prolonged the existing, progressive abortion laws."

 

What he did tactically poorly was that he failed to really frame his distinction from Russell's position. In one sense, the debate is not abolition vs incrementalism; Doug is an abolitionist of a kind. In truth, we should all be abolitionists, full stop. No qualifiers.

 

Doug's debate was simply incrementalism vs anti-incrementalism. Unfortunately, he was speaking past Russell and carrying a separate debate. Russell scored on keeping it within his own framing.

 

Doug took a peculiar position. He's not not an abolitionist. He's articulated further elsewhere: in absence of a bill of abolition side by sideif all the governor has is either a heartbeat bill or continue the abortion laws still on the bookstake the tactical advantage of the iniquitous, yet less iniquitous law. The governor didn't write in the carve-out exceptions for the impunity of the murderers of the child. That is the legislator's guilt. And you heard Doug say, speaking as a governor, "Go back to your legislator and demand better." But the governor is responsible to take the opportunity to reduce the land's iniquity. So reduce the iniquity.

 

Where he could have scored was to turn it back on offense–to ask Russell, "If your only choice at the moment of signing is to sign the heartbeat bill, or to keep the progressive abortion laws on the books, would you refrain from signing?"

 

That's the best I got to steelman Doug. But where Doug lost his footing was on the legislation question. That was the chance to say, unequivocally, "The legislator must write an uncompromised abolition bill, of equal protection."

 

And again on the abolition bill presented in Texas that it seems he overlooked at the time. That was Doug's opportunity to say, "That ought to have passed. Not compromise."

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Smashmouth incrementalism, in this respect, is compromised. At best, it's muddled with a laundry list of qualifiers.The principled abolitionist argument will be honored for her unapologetic integrity

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:25 p.m. No.25017002   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@drawingdownlaluna

1 month ago

Interesting debate, I’m not Christian, I just hate baby murder and I find these kinds of discussions insightful, only bc of Russell, he’s got a really simple and straight forward and logical way of communicating. I like when he argues from science as well, which I find to be the most damning to the general secular public

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:26 p.m. No.25017005   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@hyperfocus1963

1 month ago

I feel like Russell was holding back straight up calling Doug's policies unjust and evil, and Doug didn't catch on that that is the meat of the argument. It doesn't matter if the incrementalism might do some things that work. It is wrong biblically

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:27 p.m. No.25017006   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@julialarson-be6gg

1 month ago

I watched this back when it came out. It really helped me solidify the fact that incrementalism is not only not working, but infact is unbiblical at its core.

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:28 p.m. No.25017008   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>7011 >>7017

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@_jurist

1 month ago

When Russell starts pointing out, how the law is a tutor, you can see Wilson chewing his lip and getting nervous. Because under Doug Wilson’s Smash Mouth incrementalism. He hardens the hearts of millions of girls, because they can murder their child if they meet the criteria for doing it set by the law. They saved the baby, in a certain set of circumstances, but they harden the entire culture. And thus more people go to hell even those kids who are saved from death because they enter a culture, where they can kill, if they’re women legally.

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 8:29 p.m. No.25017011   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>7025

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@Real_2Phase

1 month ago

I think you harden the hearts of millions of girls either way. Because the current argument is that abolition or regulation of any kind is the state/religion/others stepping in between them and their bodies. Either way the culture will be hardened. Setting a law doesnt rid the person of the evil in their heart. While abolition is the only morally just/righteous waym I think incrementalism is the only practical way. But you must not settle for anything less than total abolition

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 9:48 p.m. No.25017107   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>7111 >>7140

>>25016917

https://youtu.be/THF5PDcxX6M

Choicers Openly Admit They Don't Believe in "Human Rights"

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Inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument

Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 10:12 p.m. No.25017140   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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@Moacirbcn

1 month ago

"You have to consider decomposition as a stage of development". That’s from an educated college student, ladies and gentlemen.

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Anonymous ID: 29b4cd Sept. 7, 2026, 11 p.m. No.25017173   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>25017172 < This lady:

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Catholic School Debate Teacher Defends Abortion

 

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