Confirms FISA 702(17) suspicions. No warrants. I can actually discern some of the redacted
First redacted - 2 words? Probably a specific FBI database/system. Too lazy to find it out, but a FISA 702-(17) about query is used to get data from NSA to FBI. Redacted is referring to that system.
2nd redacted - not referring to a person because the letter a. Most likely referring to an entity. Information given to a 3rd party outside our government?
Transitioning to the 3rd part of the redaction at the end of the first paragraph - probably says something about being a part of the ongoing OIG investigation, or some other probe.
Paragraph 2 -
First redactions indicate that info was given to 3rd party entity. Fusion GPS?
Certain contractors had access to raw FISA info - basically confirming FBI obtained 702-(17) info and then gave it out,
Last interesting part - Gave an outside entity access…did they give fusion GPS direct access to an FBI database that had Trump campaign data from the NSA on it?
Last last interesting part
Media is reporting Papa told an Australian about having Hillary's emails from the Russians. When? 2.5 months before the FBI obtained the dossier from fusion GPS in Rome. When did this supposed meeting with Papa the plant and Bill's buddy the Australian meet? 2.5 months before the FBI obtained the dossier.
Then the dossier may have been used to obtain approval from a FISA court to gain essentially retroactive approval to actually LOOK at the FISA 702(17) "about queries" in the first place.
gg i broke it open
Long post, made very quickly, but I may have finally figured out most of what happened. Going over the redacted stuff.
First, we are not dealing with a warrant. Understand the process. NSA has ALL information. How would someone look at it if you worked at the FBI? With a FISA 702(17) "about query". This is how data goes from NSA to FBI possession. At this point, to look at the data, you need to get approval from a FISA court.
Taken from news article -
♦Step One is to “Query” the database for your subject. That search needs a factual legal reason to take place; like an ongoing investigation. That search then returns an outcome, a set of information based on the “query” parameters. If the user gets a positive response to the “query” then Yes, the database holds information related to what they are looking for. Remember, there has to be a preexisting investigation to do the query.
♦Step Two is to “Open” the data set. That’s the step that needs a “search warrant” to be legal. That second step, the ‘looking at the information’ is where an approval from the FISA court is needed. The investigator must fill out a FISA application and go to the FISA Court for approval. In order to get a FISA Court approval the investigator must show a valid reason for the search.
In reality, the FBI could look at that information and use that and go get approval retroactively. Yup.
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Now lets work out some of these redactions and see what info we can get.
Part 1 - they are referring to the FBI data system where the NSA FISA 702(17) info was moved to.
Part 2 - they are not referring to a person because of the letter a. They are referring to an entity. A company of some sort. A 3rd party entity.
Part 3 - Last redactions of first paragraph -
Probably says something about this being part of an ongoing OIG investigation or some other probe.
Paragraph 2
Part 1- First redaction reaffirms information was given to 3rd party entity. Lets say…Fusion GPS?
Part 2 - Certain contractors had access to raw FISA info - Basically confirming FBI obtained 702-(17) info and then gave it out.
Part 3 - Gave an outside entity access…Fusion GPS?
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The FBI obtained the dossier in middle of July 2016. In Rome from Fusion GPS.
Media is reporting that this all started due to Papa drunkenly talking to an Australian (no proof this happened) who had no reason to meet with him. Then, he waited 2.5 months to inform the FBI.
This is important. Australian ambassador waited 2.5 months to tell the FBI.
When was 2.5 months later? You guessed it. In middle of July, when they got the dossier.
HMMMMM interesting what a coincidence.
Did the FBI obtain NSA data on the Trump campaign with a FISA 702(17) about query, and then let Fusion GPS see it? Did they find no crimes of Trump, and so just used it to bolster the Fusion GPS dossier? Did they then take that dossier, and bring it to the FISA court to obtain permission to view the information retroactively?
Are Papa + the Australian LYING about the meeting(Remember - they will probably all say it happened). There is NO EVIDENCE that Papa ever gave any of this information to ANYONE. The Australian ambasador is just his own claim. Zero evidence he informed his own campaign. Probably because he is a plant.
Oh boy oh boy I would LOVE to see what the FBI's reasoning for what they have done.
From news article -
The FBI reportedly told Christopher Steele in September of 2016 they had similar intelligence from an “internal Trump campaign source”.
Oh boy oh boy let me guess is the inside source Papa? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA they are so fucked
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Taken from another poster - Fusion contract work fits doesn't it?
Fusion GPS is one of many contractors who does queries work for govt. There is no oversight of these contractors. If an IRS agent looks up neighbor’s, ex wife’s tax return, agent is in a lot of trouble. If Fusion GPS search’s raw data for anti-HRC speech , that’s ok. Then Fusion GPS can make additional queries to identify that person, then continue to harvest data. They can pass that onto others. Illegal, but there is no oversight to stop contractors from spying on regular US citizens.
OF COURSE HE KNEW! He is THE top espionage official of modern times. He knows FULL well that conversations with the Russian ambassador are going to be monitored.