Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 12:47 p.m. No.2680848   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>2680523

Correct. Now add the Church as did the people in the NT. Protestants only subtract, Protestants just have "less." Everything they to have discovered that is actually sound is ancient catholic doctrine. I've read the early Church fathers and doctors, it's all in there. Nothing new under the sun, including proud schismatics.

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 12:50 p.m. No.2680886   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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ἐβλήθη

was thrown [out]

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δράκων

dragon

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μέγας ,

great

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ὄφις

serpent

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archaios

ἀρχαῖος ,

ancient

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who

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kaloumenos

καλούμενος

is called

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Διάβολος ,

[the] devil

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καὶ

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Σατανᾶς ,

Satan

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πλανῶν

deceiving

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οἰκουμένην

inhabited [world]

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ὅλην ;

whole

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earth

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οἱ

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ἄγγελοι

angels

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of him

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satan means "adversary" or "enemy." You can did on the word in a Greek biblical lexicon.

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 12:52 p.m. No.2680914   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>2680693

Doctors are mostly pill-pushers now, who are heavily indebted to the govt and to the med schools, which are mostly funded by govt and big pharma.

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 12:54 p.m. No.2680932   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>2680697

Or drop /them/ there after convictions and let them fight it out for limited resources, the island being completely secured re escape. All on film of course, directed by Mark Burnett.

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 12:59 p.m. No.2680978   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1009

>>2680717

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 4566 Browse Lexicon

Original Word Word Origin

satan of Hebrew origin (07854)

Transliterated Word TDNT Entry

Satan 7:151,*

Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech

sat-an' Noun Masculine

Definition

adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to

the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ

he incites apostasy from God and to sin

circumventing men by his wiles

the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control

by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases

by God's assistance he is overcome

on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment

a Satan-like man

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 1:06 p.m. No.2681033   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1054

>>2680735

Funny how so many protestants are enamored of Apochrypha like Enoch, but reject the orginal canon of the Bible. Protestantism always has "less."

 

Jewish Definition of the Old Testament Canon is not Authoritative after Pentecost.

After the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. the Jewish Council of Jamma eventually rejected the longer Alexandrian canon. Their reason was that they only had Greek texts of these books which at that time was considered "un-Jewish." They did not know at the time that the Hebrew originals of these books existed. But the decision of the Jews at Jamma (ca. 91 A.D.) is irrelevant for the determination of the canon of Scripture for Christians, for the Holy Spirit had passed to the Church at Pentecost and the legitimate authority for determining the canon was the early Church. There was some debate within the early Church as to the legitimacy of these "deuterocanonical" books. But Jerome translated all of them in the Vulgate, and the early Church recognized them at the Synod of Rome in 382.

 

Which are these Old Testament Books?

These Old Testament Deuterocanonical books that are divinely inspired are Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Baruch, 1st & 2nd Maccabees, chapters 10-16 of Esther, Daniel 3:24-90 (Song of the Three Young Men), Daniel 13 (the story of Susannah), and Daniel 14 (Bel & the Dragon).

 

Were some of the New Testament Books Disputed?

There were also New Testament texts that were disputed. There were nearly two dozen Gospels and dozens of books and letters which were being sent from church to church. Some apocryphal books, such as the Shepherd of Hermas, and the Didache (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles) were considered to be orthodox but not inspired. Others like the Gospel of Thomas and the Acts of Pilate contained serious theological errors.

It is important to note that the Church was not built around the Bible. The Bible was recognized by the Early Church. St. Augustine said that he believed in the Bible because the Church told him to. Remember that originally all the Gospels were transmitted orally, only written down later. It was the Early Church that had the authority to identify which were correct representations of the faith and its history.

These books are: Hebrews, James, 2nd Peter, 2nd & 3rd John, Jude, Revelation, Mark 16:19-20 (the Ascension), Luke 22:43,44 (Christ sweating blood and the strengthening angel), John 5:4 (the angel stirred the pool), and John 8:1-11 (the story of adulterous woman).

 

This Canon Defined Early and Frequently:

The Catholic Church defined this canon of Scripture early and very early Pope Damasus convoked a Synod in 382 and defined the Canon of Sacred Scripture as the Catholic Church recognizes it today. Similar definitions occurred in 393, 397, and 419 A.D. Trent affirmed the same long standing historical truth against the protests of the Reformers. Luther ultimately included all these books in his Bible. They were included in most Bibles until 1827. Hence, the version of Sacred Scriptures used by Protestants today is incomplete according to the standards of the early Church. Protestants today are using a Bible that has only been in existence for about 150 years.

 

Basic Principle:

No sub-group in the Church has the right to eliminate books from the canon of Sacred Scripture because they contradict "favorite" doctrines such as "faith alone." History tends to expose the hidden or special considerations that cause groups to digger from the ancient understanding of the canon. Catholics should obtain Bibles for study and general use that contain deuterocanonical books.

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 1:14 p.m. No.2681110   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>2680775

Protestants are so ignorant. They not only have "less" religion, they have less knowledge and clue.

 

Evangelicals Unite for a New Bible Translation

In 1965, a cross-denominational gathering of evangelical scholars met near Chicago and agreed to start work on the New International Version. Instead of just updating an existing translation like the KJV, they chose to start from scratch, using the very best manuscripts available in the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic of the Bible.

 

One year later, their decision was endorsed by a gathering of 80 evangelical ministry leaders and scholars. And so the Committee on Bible Translation (CBT), the self-governing body responsible for the NIV, was born.

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 1:17 p.m. No.2681134   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1163

>>2680900

Yes, of course they do. The Bible was compiled by the Church. Here's the catechism. Protestantism has "less" of eveything, not more.

 

1428 Christ's call to conversion continues to resound in the lives of Christians. This second conversion is an uninterrupted task for the whole Church who, "clasping sinners to her bosom, [is] at once holy and always in need of purification, [and] follows constantly the path of penance and renewal." This endeavor of conversion is not just a human work. It is the movement of a "contrite heart," drawn and moved by grace to respond to the merciful love of God who loved us first.

 

1430 Jesus' call to conversion and penance, like that of the prophets before him, does not aim first at outward works, "sackcloth and ashes," fasting and mortification, but at the conversion of the heart, interior conversion.

Anonymous ID: 76cf0f Aug. 20, 2018, 1:19 p.m. No.2681147   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>2680900

"More" not "less."

 

When are we saved - "Born Again" vs. "Baptism"

Evangelicals believe the "Born Again" decision is the critical moment of salvation for the individual. Some feel that this decision guarantees salvation regardless of any future sin. Catholics view "Baptism" as the critical event in the salvation of an individual.

 

In the New Testament we see a connection between salvation and baptism. (Acts 2:38, 22:16, 1 Pt. 3:21, Mk 16:15-16 Acts 2:38). Catholics look at the journey of water through the Old Testament including the great flood that cleansed the world. They feel that these were foreshadowings of baptism in the New Testament.(Gen.1:1-2, 6:5, 8:23, 9:9, Ex 3:4, Is12:2-3,1 Pt 3:20,1 Cor. 10:2) Particularly, Peter makes the connection between the great flood and baptism in 1 Peter 3:20-21.

 

…who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you—not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, …

 

Here we see the express relationship of water baptism to salvation and also the foundation of the required appeal and "heart" behind the baptism. Baptism requires not only water, but the words "Father Son and the Holy Ghost" and the intention of baptising. Catholics don't believe we are saved by water alone, all three of these things are necessary for a valid baptism (water, words and intention). We think this passage outlines the necessity of water and of the appeal.

 

"In that day a fountain will be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for impurity" (Zechariah 13:1).

 

"Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin" (Psalms 51:2).

 

When the eunuchs were traveling along the road and Philip evangelized them, one of them said

"Wait look, there is water! What is to prevent me from being baptized?' …when they came up out of the water the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away. The eunuch saw him no more and went on his way rejoicing" (Acts 3:35-40)

 

The eunuch was hit with the Holy Spirit. For the Eunuch the born again experience included a water baptism.

 

15 And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the good news to the whole creation. 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned.