All fags live forever. First crumb.

Hebrews 9:27

ESV: And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Original Greek: καὶ καθ’ ὅσον ἀπόκειται τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἅπαξ ἀποθανεῖν, μετὰ δὲ τοῦτο κρίσις,

Transliterated Greek: kai kath' hoson apokeitai tois anthrōpois hapax apothanien, meta de touto krisis

English word for word: and in however-many apportionments these to-men once to-die, after now this crisis/discernment

English for idiotfags: and in however-many apportionments these men once dying, after now this crisis

Hebrews 9:28

English for idiotfags: so too this [crisis] Christ once giving-himself him for everyone carrying the-sins apart-from-himself, a-second-time [making this clear for you idiots] apart-from the-sins, see-him all him waiting for-his savior.

Hebrews 9:27-28 is clearly saying you die many times and everytime you face crisis. So look to Christ so that he may:

John 6:40

ESV: For this is the will of my father that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day.

on THE last day?

Greek: en tē eschatē hēmera

English: on HIS furthest day

Look for Christ to be reincarnated immediately fags. Don't forget.

>>3035747

hoson and tois are definitely plural. This implies, plurality. However many of these [deaths] you get in everlasting life.

Most of the evangelion, i.e. the good news, is about these three topics: resurrection of Jesus and how this proves the resurrection of the dead, i.e. reincarnation, and finally the "return" of Christ when he leads all the souls of mankind, once perfected in flesh as in the manner of Melchizedek, into one of the many rooms of the Father he has gone to prepare for us.

Three distinct topics confounded when the Vetus Italica texts were promulgated by Constantine in the institution of the bureaucratic Church designed to enslave and hide the true message of Christ from us. To ensure the slavery and control matrix of the empire was maintained.

Also, don't forget:

Matthew 5:29-30

And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast it from you. For it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should be cast into Gehenna.

And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and cast it from you, for it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should depart into Gehenna.

Gehenna was a child sacrificing cult outside of Jerusalem. There is no "hell." You don't want to miss the mark (sin) on the epignosis of reality and end up reincarnating into the child sacrificing cults.

In, Hebrews 5 it clearly states that Jesus is the reincarnation of Melchizedek. Read it.

Psalm 110:4

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent: 'You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.'

>>3044918

Mathew 19:30

But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.

Reincarnation works of a FILO and LIFO queue system.

Those who believe in the savior have priority.

You die, you are good, you get first dibs to come back. You die, you are missing the mark on many things, you wait until a body is open to come back. The more our population grows the more brethren who have fallen asleep in the shadow of death get to come back.

If the occultfags depopulate the world, we will inherit it. It's a no win situation for evil.

How you break the wheel of karma in your life:

Luke 11:4

And forgive us our debts,

For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.

Forgive every transgression committed against you. You will break the wheel of karma in this way. Ponder this, very carefully.

>>3045047

Corrections to previous crumb.

of = off

I said this wrong: "you wait until a body is open to come back," it should be: "you wait until an opening is available for you to come back."

We reincarnate body, soul (mind and emotions), and spirit. A codification of the Holy Trinity in ourselves.

Your soul reconfigures the host DNA upon entry to form your body. There is an affinity to reincarnate into your same bloodlines, you have familiarity with those around you to help accomplish your mission of perfecting yourself in body, soul and spirit; and your soul has affinity to the DNA present at the moment of conception and later through methylation of the DNA (read: epigenetics) in order to "bootload" your body so that your mind and emotions can express themselves in full. The spirit is divine and eternal, our gift from and connection to the one true God, in perfect sacred trinity with the Son and Holy Spirit.

So fags, do you understand why the elite and royalty of our times have guarded their bloodlines so carefully and are obsessed with maintaining their purity and bifurcation from the rest of mankind?

Have a good Son-day fags, may the blessing of the Lord be upon you always.

>>3046476

Is bloodshed and death missing the mark in every circumstance, if there is no death?

I don't know. I think it depends.

Mighty powerful that 400 conquistadors could utterly destroy an entire civilization dedicated to the streamlined industrial sacrifice of humans.

"Did a crucification of me pardonned (sic) your sins?"

Symbolically yes, to make the savage Hebrews, and thus the Children of God present and to come, understand that blood sacrifices and offerings was entirely missing the mark. Truthfully, there has never been "sin."

>>3048399

"All it is, is suggestion and influence; someone defining how you should view reality."

"suggestion and influence"

The preferred method of the apostatic fallen to turn you away from the true source of power, the One Creator. To cut yourself off from the One and believe in your own supremacy over reality.

This not only leads to madness, it opens the gateway to much suffering that will be harvested from you by the apostatic and perverse ones.

>>3048334

It is impossible not to recognize Truth when it is spoken to you.

May the One bless the fruit of your work brother.

>>3050059

Is Psalm 110, Hebrews Chapter 5?

>>3050249

Forgiveness does not imply forgoing justice.

In fact, the only way you can aptly apply justice is sans emotion and thus through forgiveness. Otherwise it is revenge.

My interpretation of course.

>>3057271

>"She is not right about that, but that is fine for now." - God

I very much have a penis.

>>3058606

Only the apostatic have keks at the expense of others. You have the answer to your source from your own words.

>>3058849

>>3044918

You can't throw out and ignore the words hoson and tois when you translate the passage. That's ~17% of the passage and meaning.

Your translation holds even less of the original meaning than even modern, albeit orthodox, standard translations from the original Greek.

But everyone is allowed to believe in what one wishes.

>>3058890

> than leave it up to Jesus, who baptizes all either in spirit, or in fire.

Savage Hebraic interpretations of the Word of God. There is no "baptism by fire" or "devouring of the adversaries" or "consumption of those opposed" or "conflagrations" or "death by fire."

That's the age old trick of perverse ones to make you turn away from God. Make you believe that his creation is so imperfect that he will destroy and consume it and those he loves.

Insanity.

I will show you.

Hebrews 10:26-27

ESV [hebrewfag tainted]: For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

Greek: Ἑκουσίως γὰρ ἁμαρτανόντων ἡμῶν μετὰ τὸ λαβεῖν τὴν ἐπίγνωσιν τῆς ἀληθείας, οὐκέτι περὶ ἁμαρτιῶν ἀπολείπεται θυσία, φοβερὰ δέ τις ἐκδοχὴ κρίσεως καὶ πυρὸς ζῆλος ἐσθίειν μέλλοντος τοὺς ὑπεναντίους.

Transliteration: Hekousiōs gar hamartanontōn hēmōn meta to labein tēn epignōsin tēs alētheias, ouketi peri hamartiōn apoleipetai thysia, phobera de tis ekdochē kriseōs kai pyros zēlos esthiein mellontos tous hypenantious.

Direct English: Of-one's-own-accord for missing-the-mark I after that I-receive the central-knowledge-gained-through-first-hand-relationship the truth/reality, no-longer about missing-the-marks away-from/I-leave sacrifice/offerings, inspiring-fear then anyone waiting-for decision/judgement and trial/fire zealous eating I-am-about-to these very-opposites.

Simpler English: If I of my own accord am for missing the mark after I have recevied the central knowledge (gained through first hand relationship) [i.e. what I am telling you] of reality, [I am] no longer about missing the mark I leave [behind] sacrifices/offerings, you should feel fear then, anyone waiting for judgement and fire because you will (are about to) fervently swallow these very opposite things [to reality].

>>3059162

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica

>>3059230

Lake of Fire?

You mean, Gehenna? The child sacrificing cult outside of Jerusalem?

>>3044918

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna

>>3059281

That's a different tripcode buddy. He's trolling you.

>>3059269

There is no doubt that the Earth will someday be consumed by the Sun when it expands to a Red Giant. This is very much known and calculated.

That is very different from a conflagration or a raining down of fire.

>>3059366

Of course, also known. And the second coming comes when all souls are perfected and we are ready to go into one of the many mansions of the Father. Unless you somehow doubt the power of the almighty to make everyone bend to his will.

>>3059393

How does that reconcile with Jesus dying for all sins and forgiveness? So everyone has to forgive, but the Father doesn't? Ever?

Insanity.

2 Peter 3:15

And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.

You are both insane.

Insane with hatred and bickering.

>>3059463

>as Unbelief is the only sin remaining unforgiven in this life and the next.

Your claims are dangerous. You're claiming there is one specific "sin" that is never forgiven?

That goes against the entirety of the New Testament and the teachings of Christ.

Unless you claim to know the mind of the Father? Which leads you into even more dangerous territory.

>>3059694

>danger of eternal damnation

ESV: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Very different. It's sad you reject the original Greek, the true evangelion. Many of your mistaken beliefs stem from years of mistranslations.

But yes, I enjoyed your ability to quote scripture. Helped point me to all the places where dangerous inconsistencies with the Word of God exist.

>>3059704

>>3059781

I'll dive into the Greek of these. See what else can be grokked from them.

Happy Monday biblefag!

>>3059943

The fact that you believe that

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

is equivalent to

but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Marks your arrogance and delusions.

The Word of God is perfect and consistent. There are errors in the translations, is why I said there are inconsistencies WITH the Word of God.

And I will dive into the Greek of these passages. It takes me around 48 hours of off and on work to translate from the original Greek.

>It's sad that you think men brighter than you as the sun is brighter than a sunflower cannot translate Greek into English faithfully.

Yes, I know they cannot because they are marked by the same delusions that you are. And the ones who tried in the past were burned as heretics. So yes, your "bright men" sure shined brightly, you can detect their stupidity centuries later through the fog of time.

Even now, my translations are sorely lacking and are only approximations to the greatness the Holy Spirit attempted to communicate to us savage animals.

>>3060953

> It takes me around 48 hours of off and on work to translate from the original Greek.

For each Greek sentence.

>>3061372

1) but is in danger of eternal damnation.

is the same as

2) but is guilty of an eternal sin.

So sin in your mind is the same as damnation? And guilt is the same as danger?

You have no regard for objective reality.

>>3061407

> I told you exactly how. Unbelief.

I don't think you understand you are talking to multiple anons here. Or do you? Am I missing something?

>>3061718

If God is "Life", then are all those living part of God? Or only those you don't condemn?

Also, can you point to me any point in scripture where this concept of "eternal death" you are claiming is written?

>>3062019

punishment?

κόλασιν

kólasin

kólasis, “chastisement, correction”

Interesting word choice.

Chastisement and correction imply redemption?

>>3062045

πρόκεινται

prokeintai are set forth as

δεῖγμα

deigma an example

πυρὸς

pyros of trial/fire

αἰωνίου

aiōniou aeons/perpetual/eternal

δίκην

dikēn custom, manner, fashion

ὑπέχουσαι.

hypechousai undergoing underholding undercontaining

>>3062242

Yes. It means perpetual correction until you get it right. Glad you are getting it.

>>3062277

Etymology

Inherited from Ancient Greek κόλασις (kólasis, “chastisement, correction”).

2000 years later and you are using the modern version of the meaning of words to prove your point. Circular logic much?

I am rate limited. Have a nice day pondering your "bright men" and their translations.

I am happy you are getting it though.

>>3062413

kolazo != kólasin

kólasin == kólasis

You have been lied to by those you trust the most.

Reconcile.

>>3068369

Amen.

>>3069232

>Use your God given discernment. If a jewish manuscript sais that God ordered Jephthah in Judges 11:30–31 to climb up a hill and sacrifice his daughter, do you think that maybe you moral compass would alert you that this is not something God would do?? Are you allowed to question whether or not this is trickery from the adversary, given what you know about the history of the bible?? or, again, do you worship the idea of some magical infallible book, despite the fact that there is a zillion different versions available with no two experts being able to agree on it which is the correct one???

>

>Y'all bout to drive a nigga crazy with this shit. Use your damn brains. I believe in the Gospel and Jesus and have no issue questioning all of this other stuff in fact I think it is exactly what God wants me to do. God gave me discernment and made me in his image, and I would never ever ever consider torturing a child for doing the wrong thing, so why the hell would I, being made in his image, think he would do so??

Amen!

>>3068369

>It's a horrible idea that someone would live an extremely brief life here, born into a world of deception and trickery, only to pass away and be endlessly tortured by their own creator for eternity.

If God calls on you to be perfect, if Jesus calls on you to be perfect and imitate his ways, that God wants you to be and reach holiness. How can you reconcile that with a brief life of 50-80 years, in a plane of existence rife with "trickery" and "deception?"

How can you reconcile torment and hell and no second chances with a God of LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. How can you reconcile any of these insane beliefs with the message of Jesus Christ?

It is not reconcilable.

You have all of eternity to learn. All of it. You have all of eternity to amend your ways. You have eternal life AND eternal correction.

Your respawns are infinite and you WILL perfect yourself. Whether you want to or not. We are all going back to the Father, together as one.

All of us.

Even the most vile and horrific among us. That is the message of forgiveness and compassion that Jesus Christ teaches.

WWG1WGA.

How do you reconcile LOVE and PERFECT LOVE, with leaving behind your loved ones?

Leaving them behind here in a reality rife with suffering?

Leaving them behind in an imaginary world of torment and endless suffering?

It is not reconcilable.

I will never leave behind those I love. Ever. And my love is FAR from perfect.

The permanence of reality is the prime indicator that God, the Creator, LOVES us. His love is PERFECT and it is not reserved for any one group of people, who do this or that. It is for ALL of his children. Everything in this reality.

The same way we love our children and our creations. The same way we want to see them grow and become successful. For our creations to have impact and meaning in the world.

And we are far from perfect.

Contemplate what PERFECT LOVE would want and require.

WWG1WGA.

>>3074397

I love Corinthians 15.

12-19

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.

14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.

15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.

16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.

17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.

18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

>>3074885

I think the ESV people do a pretty good job here. There is obviously more to gleam from the Greek, but the translation is adequate.

How can you say there is no resurrection of the dead, i.e. reincarnation, if Christ has been resurrected?

If the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.

One life only?

>>3074988

Do not let your heart grow stubborn in the wilderness.

>>3074919

ALL?

Everyone lives forever. You know that. I know that.

Everyone deep down in their hearts knows that.

We are fast approaching the age where it will be undeniable. Where through, digital information and social media (yes, even those doing evil end up doing good), we will be able to track our past lives.

We will be able to see our past bodies, our thoughts, and minute by minute updates and tweets and say; gee – that dude 100 years ago, looks just like me, thinks just like, and happens to be related to me.

And then we'll track the DNA. And we'll see. Hey, this dude is exactly me.

And even then there will be people that will deny God and Christ!

Eventually they'll all come around.

>>3075180

>,thinks just like,

Well, similarly enough! Because we are all improving over time. Getting better and perfecting our souls and bodies. Getting ready for that time when death is conquered and we no longer have to die.

I suspect we at least colonize the solar system before we get that far though. Who knows? I don't know. Only the One knows.

>>3075196

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

>>3075322

Your God sounds rather demonic to me.

Your beliefs also infringe upon free will, because that arm you talk about, is the same eternal condemnation you speak of.

Guess who wins in the end?

The giver of life or the giver of death?

How can death ever populate the infinite?

Pro-tip: It can't.

>>3075409

>eternal condemnation

I should have used the word "obliteration."

>>3075517

Threats and more threats.

"Submit to MY WILL!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE"

That's all I'm reading from you.

>>3075558

I allege you don't understand what simple love is and thus cannot begin to fathom the totality of PERFECT LOVE. Don't worry, I can't either.

>God has Children that It Loves and It will not allow for the damned to hurt Its Children.

I agree, which is why the damned work through the Father's children. Only through free will can you act in this reality.

>>3075610

Ah, I shouldn't feed the trolls or insane.

Mea culpa.

>>3075641

>damned

Should have been "damned."

Happy Tuesday to all!!!

>>3075822

>Do you agree the Greek word for the length of punishment is often correctly translated as eternal?

It's not entirely wrong, it just doesn't impart the true meaning.

αἰώνιος

from

αἰών

meaning lifetime.

So αἰώνιος means lasting through the lifetimes.

Lasting through your many lives.

>>3085312

>Angels and demons are teaching tools for our dumb asses.

I believe this too.

>They are NOT able to see the future

This 100%.

"You" can also cast them out. It's not YOU doing it. You pray and ask the Father to remove them, the ones you have identified in people, yourself, or places, to exorcise and banish them from ALL realities of man.

That seems to do the trick. It's not that hard. And like Jesus says at one point, you cast one out and 7 come back, or something like that.

Just don't stop asking the Father, the One Creator, to exorcise them. Exorcism as in banishment from our reality, not just removal from places or people. Removal or "casting out" seems to just remove them internally but they still hang around causing havoc.

It must be complete and utter banishment from our reality.

Let the Father deal with them in whatever plane of existence they choose that is not our plane.

There's a really good book if you want to identify their works, Manual for Spiritual Warfare by TAN books.

There is ordinary and extraordinary demonic activity.

Ordinary is:

They work directly introducing thoughts into your mind.

1) temptation

2) deception

3) accusation

4) doubt

5) enticement

6) provocation

Extraordinary activity is:

They work through thoughts and manifestations in the physical realm.

1) infestation (places, flying/falling objects, shadows)

2) oppression (invisible blows, health or financial deterioration)

3) obsession (internal struggle with inner torment by planted thoughts)

4) possession (no true possession of the soul, as there is always free will – usurper of the body)

>>3089185

Holy Water is extremely powerful. Here's how you make it and how the early Christians made it. It's a codification of the Trinity in substance.

A quote:

"The first thing, O man, that you have to venerate is the age of the waters in that their substance is ancient; the second, their divinity, in that they were the seat of the Divine Spirit, more pleasing to Him, no doubt, than all the other then existing elements. For darkness was total thus far, shapeless, without the ornament of the stars; and the abyss gloomy; and the earth unfinished; and the heaven unwrought: water alone – always a perfect, gladsome, simple material substance, pure in itself – supplied a worthy vehicle to God."

Tertullian (B. 160)

First you bless and exorcise salt (i.e. ask God to do it).

Then you bless and exorcise water (i.e. God does it!!!).

Then you mix the two, and bless and exorcise the this new third material – the mixture of salt and water.

Prayer for salt:

Our help is in the name of the Lord, who hath made heaven and earth. I exorcise thee, though creature salt,, by the living God, by the true God, by the holy God, by the God who commanded thee be cast into the water by Eliseus, the prophet, that the sterility of the water might be healed, that thou mayest become salt exorcised unto the healing of your children, that thou mayest become health of body and soul to all who take thee or are in the presence of thee; that every delusion and wickedness and snare of diabolical cunning and every unclean spirit may depart from the place in which though shalt be by Him the Creator of all things.

We humbly implore Thy boundless clemency, almighty and everlasting God, that of Thy bounty Though wouldst deign to bless and sanctify this creature salt, which Thou hast given for the use of mankind; let it be unto all who take it health of mind and body; that whoever shall be touched with, sprinkled with, or in the presence of it, be freed from all manner of uncleanness and assaults from spiritual wickedness. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the Unity of of the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Prayer for the water:

I exorcise thee, O creature water, in the name of God the Father Almighty, and in the same of Jesus Christ, His Son; and in the power of the Holy Spirit; that thou mayest become water exorcised for the removal and banishment of all the power of the enemy; that though mayest have strength to uproot and cast out the enemy himself and his apostate creatures, by the power of the same, our Lord Jesus Christ in blessed Trinity.

O God, who for the salvation of mankind founded one of Thy greatest sacraments in the element of water, graciously give ear when we call upon Thee, and pour upon this element, prepared for diverse purifications, the power of Thy blessing; let Thy creature serving in Thy mysteries, by divine grace be effectual for casting out devils and for driving away diseases, that on whatsoever houses, places, or beings this water shall be it may be freed from all uncleanness, and delivered from hurt. Let not the blast of pestilence nor disease remain there; let every enemy that lieth in wait be banished; and if there be aught that hath ill will to the safety and quietness of the inhabitants, let it be banished from the reality of men at the presence of this water, that they, being healed by Thy Holy grace, may be defended from all that rise up against them. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who in unity with Thee and the Holy Spirit liveth and reigneth forever and ever. Amen.

Then you mix the salt and water, you can make the sign of the cross etc.

Let this become a mixture of salt and water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

The Lord be with you. And with thy spirit.

O God, Author of invincible might, King of unconquerable dominion who puttest down the strength of of all that rise up against Thee; who overcomest the rage of the adversary; who by Thy power does cast down and banish all wickedness; Creator of All; we, O Lord, we fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee to mercifully look upon this creature of salt and water, to graciously illumine and sanctify it with Thy favor; that wheresoever it shall be all troubling of unclean spirits may be cast out and banished, and power of the perverse ones by exorcised forever. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with Thee in Unity with the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Cook with blessed and exorcised and salt. Drink Holy Water. Your body will literally become made of spiritual armor.

Practices of the early Christians that were stamped out over time. Bring them back.

Feel free to modify the prayers. Don't delimit the power of the Father through the prayer, allow him to work freely through the elements without restriction; that would be my only recommendation.

>>3089614

>we, O Lord, we fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee

Should be

we, O Lord, with fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee.

we -with

>>3089614

>and power of the perverse ones by exorcised forever.

Should be

and power of the perverse ones be exorcised forever.

by -be

anon did not proof read. mae culpa.

>>3089185

(this one has corrected typos)

Holy Water is extremely powerful. Here's how you make it and how the early Christians made it. It's a codification of the Trinity in substance.

A quote:

"The first thing, O man, that you have to venerate is the age of the waters in that their substance is ancient; the second, their divinity, in that they were the seat of the Divine Spirit, more pleasing to Him, no doubt, than all the other then existing elements. For darkness was total thus far, shapeless, without the ornament of the stars; and the abyss gloomy; and the earth unfinished; and the heaven unwrought: water alone – always a perfect, gladsome, simple material substance, pure in itself – supplied a worthy vehicle to God."

Tertullian (B. 160)

First you bless and exorcise salt (i.e. ask God to do it).

Then you bless and exorcise water (i.e. God does it!!!).

Then you mix the two, and bless and exorcise this new third material – the mixture of salt and water.

Prayer for salt:

Our help is in the name of the Lord, who hath made heaven and earth. I exorcise thee, though creature salt,, by the living God, by the true God, by the holy God, by the God who commanded thee be cast into the water by Eliseus, the prophet, that the sterility of the water might be healed, that thou mayest become salt exorcised unto the healing of your children, that thou mayest become health of body and soul to all who take thee or are in the presence of thee; that every delusion and wickedness and snare of diabolical cunning and every unclean spirit may depart from the place in which though shalt be by Him the Creator of all things.

We humbly implore Thy boundless clemency, almighty and everlasting God, that of Thy bounty Though wouldst deign to bless and sanctify this creature salt, which Thou hast given for the use of mankind; let it be unto all who take it health of mind and body; that whoever shall be touched with, sprinkled with, or in the presence of it, be freed from all manner of uncleanness and assaults from spiritual wickedness. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the Unity of of the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Prayer for the water:

I exorcise thee, O creature water, in the name of God the Father Almighty, and in the same of Jesus Christ, His Son; and in the power of the Holy Spirit; that thou mayest become water exorcised for the removal and banishment of all the power of the enemy; that though mayest have strength to uproot and cast out the enemy himself and his apostate creatures, by the power of the same, our Lord Jesus Christ in blessed Trinity.

O God, who for the salvation of mankind founded one of Thy greatest sacraments in the element of water, graciously give ear when we call upon Thee, and pour upon this element, prepared for diverse purifications, the power of Thy blessing; let Thy creature serving in Thy mysteries, by divine grace be effectual for casting out devils and for driving away diseases, that on whatsoever houses, places, or beings this water shall be it may be freed from all uncleanness, and delivered from hurt. Let not the blast of pestilence nor disease remain there; let every enemy that lieth in wait be banished; and if there be aught that hath ill will to the safety and quietness of the inhabitants, let it be banished from the reality of men at the presence of this water, that they, being healed by Thy Holy grace, may be defended from all that rise up against them. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who in unity with Thee and the Holy Spirit liveth and reigneth forever and ever. Amen.

Then you mix the salt and water, you can make the sign of the cross etc.

Let this become a mixture of salt and water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

The Lord be with you. And with thy spirit.

O God, Author of invincible might, King of unconquerable dominion who puttest down the strength of of all that rise up against Thee; who overcomest the rage of the adversary; who by Thy power does cast down and banish all wickedness; Creator of All; we, O Lord, with fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee to mercifully look upon this creature of salt and water, to graciously illumine and sanctify it with Thy favor; that wheresoever it shall be all troubling of unclean spirits may be cast out and banished, and power of the perverse ones be exorcised forever. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with Thee in Unity with the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Cook with blessed and exorcised and salt. Drink Holy Water. Your body will literally become made of spiritual armor.

Practices of the early Christians that were stamped out over time. Bring them back.

Feel free to modify the prayers. Don't delimit the power of the Father through the prayer, allow him to work freely through the elements without restriction; that would be my only recommendation.

>>3091415

I think the issue becomes, in that scenario, we have no free will in the material world if you remove all sources of evil or differentiation from Perfect Love.

As long as we are here, we have to deal with it. Until we align our wills to God's will.

If we are material and spiritual creatures, then it is logical and statistically possible for other material and spiritual creatures to exist in the vastness of the universe.

That is extraterrestrials.

This is referenced in the OT as the "Sons of God."

We are but one Son of God as Man. In the same vein that we individually are one Son of Man through Christ.

If we are spiritual creatures, then it is logical that there are wholly spiritual creatures. That is spirits/angels/demons/dimensional-creatures.

The Alpha and the Omega is infinite and "In My Father's house there are many mansions." (John 14:2)

We are not alone and we have never been alone.

I suspect the biggest Q drops will start to mention those material beings that live underground. For even encoded into something so foundational to Judeo-Christianity as the Ten Commandments, there are strong indicators straight from the Source that something is amiss on our world.

The Second Commandment received by Moses from God:

Exodus 20:4-6

4 You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my Commandments.

1) that is in heaven above

2) that is in the earth beneath

3) that is in the water under the earth

You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

You will not serve or bow down to the alien overlords.

You will not serve or bow down to the beings underground.

You will not serve or bow down to the beings in the oceans under the earth.

1) Extraterrestrials

2) Antediluvian survivors living underground?

3) Your guess is as good as mine.

The point is, it does not say, make no image of any thing on Earth. Don't make images of the things on the Land, or the Sea, or in the Air.

It is very specific. Don't make images to or worship those in the heavens (i.e. firmament). Don't make images or worship those under the earth, not on the earth. And don't make images or worship those in the oceans under the earth, not the oceans of the earth.

Food for thought.

>>3104249

I will concede that my interpretation of Exodus 20:4-6 is entirely wrong, since I am basing it on the English translations and I have 0 knowledge of Hebrew.

I'm basing it on the fact that translators, translate both מִתַָּ֑֜חַת‪‬ (mit-ta-ḥaṯ) into beneath and underneath.

And that translators agree it's meaning is: lower in spatial position than.

>>3104484

it's -its

Actually, after looking a bit at the Hebrew and translations for words, it does seem it is exactly saying:

in-lower-spatial-position-than on-the-land

If anybody wants to look: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/exodus/20.htm

>>3104781

Ok, so…

Hebrew transliteration: (lō-) (lā·’ā·reṣ,) (mit·ta·ḥaṯ) (bam·ma·yim) (wa·’ă·šer) (mit·ta·ḥaṯ) (bā·’ā·reṣ)

Direct English: Not to-the-land in-lower-spatial-position-than them-with-water or-that-is in-lower-spatial-position-than on-the-land

English: Not to those in the land under the water or [those] under the top of the land

>>3114840

Yes, I believe that to be the case. I think they've been trying to control this since around the 300's AD. Controlling the texts/gospels and dissemination of Christianity.

Big push in the 1100's and 1300's too, to wipe out the bloodlines that were up and coming that preached and lived the true message of Christ.

I think the badies have somehow retained this knowledge throughout the ages and waged war against the rest of us especially the good ones who stuck out.

I'll give you an example, I am fairly convinced that Putin is the reincarnation of Peter the Great. They have the same eyes, the same nose, the same facial structure, even the same moles on their faces. I think he knows too, which is why he chose the coat of arms that he did, and then he made it the official coat of arms of the Russian Federation.

This would indicate why they went after the czars so badly, and why they hate Putin so much nowadays. He is not for the enslavement of the people agenda and never has been.

I included some of the earliest portraits of him I could find. Most that are available were made many decades/centuries after his death. Putin has also, it is widely claimed, had lots of plastic surgery done. The resemblance is uncanny in his earlier years.

There's more. I think Trump is saying through his coat of arms, besides him understanding astrological markers, that he is of the bloodline of David. I'll leave that up to you all as an exercise.

>>3122149

More of Peter the Great.

=)

Here's another fun one.

>>3137056

>The scriptures do present an eternal death

NO WHERE in the New Testament does this phrase exist. NO WHERE.

Try to prove me wrong.

If you by chance find a translation that claims this, I will show you the wickedness of satanic translators. FFS, not even the insane KJV contains this.

>>3143786

Matthew 25:46

EVERLASTING punishment

κόλασιν αἰώνιον

kolasin aiōnion

Correct English: correction lifetimes

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B7

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%E1%BC%B0%CF%8E%CE%BD#Ancient_Greek

Lifetimes of correction.

Mark 3:29

αἰωνίου ἁμαρτήματος

aiōniou hamartēmatos

lifetimes [of] missing-the-mark

Revelations is symbolic #1, #2 that is not what it says.

But just to show you the insanity of modern translations. I'll link you to this for R 20:14:

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-14.htm

"This is the second death"

is actually

This-here the death the second I am, that(feminine) lake/marsh/basin/sea that(neuter) trial/fire.

Enjoy!

>>3148893

They have the Father's forgiveness before they ever committed their offenses in free will.

>>3149830

Insanity. Forgiveness is for all of the Father's creatures.

>>3153440

Everything in existence is of the "flesh" of the Father. Reality is a construct of the Alpha and the Omega. Eat of my flesh and drink of my blood is pantheism. Whether the idiot Christians understand the teachings of Christ or not.

>>3198963

Everyone is of God's family you insane idiotfag.

The giants were real. They populated this planet before, as they did this solar system.

>>3198980

Insanity. INSANITY.

Lifetimes of chastisement until you stop missing the mark.

You idiot humans are beyond redemption in your insanity.

>>3199826

>I have no issues with eternal punishment (or eternal death, take yer pick) for the devil and his messengers.

You don't understand the message of Christ then. Everyone gets forgiven, EVERYONE is saved. Whether you understand this concept or not.

Even the despicable ENEMY and ADVERSARY gets saved. Maybe not in our reality or existence but the idiotdevilfag gets saved, and he is counting on it, whether you idiots understand it or not.

>>3216290

Physics you idiot twat.

>>3247416

Physics you idiot twat.

>>3216290

Idiot. The children of the sacrificial cults by logic will never be able to populate the earth.

How can you be so STUPID?

You all live forever.

WELCOME TO REALITY.

Hope you stop fucking it up for the rest of us.

To all you evilfags out there who understand the nature of eternal life and reality.

We will find your whore rulers and we will lay waste to their realities and peoples. We will destroy everything in material and spiritual reality that you believe and you will bend a knee to your one Creator.

Everything that you believe that keeps you safe from the ONE shall be destroyed and laid to waste.

We will blot out the skies with dreadnoughts if necessary and we will end ALL the evil present in our material reality through sheer brute force.

You may believe it will take us millions of lives, it will be much less. There is no recourse for evil in the material realms of man. You will be soundly defeated in this life and your next lives.

I hope you choke on the tits you suckle for sustenance in your weak and pathetic attempts at existence.

Faggots. We will destroy you as we always have.

Much love.

>>3263002

>1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,

The definition of all is exactly that buddy. ALL things.

It's not hard to understand. PERFECT LOVE requires, no, DEMANDS, that everyone be saved. Even the most foul aspects of creation.

This is the utmost example of love and forgiveness we will receive.

>>3270427

They are required for free will.

Nice try. Try again.

>>3271025

Really, Jesus' message was that he would kill your soul?

Your insanity is showing.

>>3275714

It's everywhere anon. It's in the psalms and the entirety of the New Testament. Research the ancient greek of the NT. They literally refer to God as The Self, 'auton.' In some cases even the inner Self.

We have been lied to for MILLENNIA.

>>3322492

Your stupid faggot translations are destroying your already weak degenerate mind.

There is no hell, there is no destruction of souls. The destruction of a soul is equivalent to killing God. Impossible. The divine is eternal. Go kill yourself if you don't understand, you will on that day.

There is no hell. Jesus said Gehenna, the child sacrificing cult outside Jerusalem. Learn you stupid beast.

Fear not who can kill the body. I will teach you who to fear. Fear the one that after death can cast your body into child sacrificing cults.

Kindly, go fuck yourself.

I should be more gentle and humble.

>>3292708

You provide immense entertainment in your inability to logically parse reality.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Jesus spoke Greek, he is a master philosopher. Try and learn the basics.

>>3377286

No doubt the only intelligent comment in this entire thread.

>>3401608

It's hard to parse what you even mean. First of all, there is NO SIN. You can miss the mark on the central tenants of reality, and the One will correct you – throughout all your lifetimes. So the only way to become "sinless" is through free will and through the grace of God. You need both.

But you should really think in terms of perfecting yourself, not removing things that don't exist. Or only exist if you take them on.

You've had the entire thing turned upside down on you. Right yourself.

Many people seem very confused on the topic of SIN.

Sin comes from Latin – it means WITHOUT.

In the original Greek, spoken by Jesus and the apostles, it is HAMARTANÓ. Which means to "miss the mark."

They mean COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things. One means "not having" and the other means "not accurate."

There is no such thing as the insane delusions that most of you live under. It's why you cannot understand the message of Christ and of God correctly.

You do not go into "eternal punishment" if you "sin."

You go through "lifetimes of corrections" if you "miss the mark."

αἰώνιος = lifetimes

αἰώνιος does NOT EQUAL eternal

κόλασις = correction

κόλασις does NOT EQUAL punishment

You people think like BDSM SADOMASOCHIST freaks sometimes. Remove the perversions from your minds.

Reconcile PERFECT LOVE with ABSOLUTE FORGIVENESS and find the true nature of your THEOS/God.

>>3425836

The system of correction that Jesus describes in the New Testament is simple and perfect. What you do to your neighbor is what will be done to you. This is God's perfect form of JUSTICE.

This is KARMA. This is EXACTLY what our eastern and hindu brethren have spoken about for millennia.

(They are wrong about a balance though. There is no such thing. God only permits a 50-50 positive-negative balance as a MINIMUM. But we can easily go 99-1 or 100-0 to the positive side. The side of PERFECT LOVE. The more we get there, the closer we are to our God. This balance shit is one of the greatest Satanic perversions to be cast upon our eastern brethren. You can deduce this logically from the corrective actions of God's Justice or "karma." It only ever CORRECTS actions MISSING THE MARK. It does not punish overly ACCURATE actions, thus no 50-50 balance is possible as you approach the limit of infinity timewise. You are always being moved towards the side or LOVE, ALWAYS. Because the contrarian force necessary to push you back towards this supposed balance, does not exist. Verify this. Think about this. This is deep and will help you drop some of the more extreme delusions we live under.)

We must all perfect ourselves and our souls, throughout our lifetimes, so that we stop missing the mark and are able to come together as one to bring heaven on earth, also known as the kingdom/ruling of God.

>>3397451

I like.

"How to topple heaven?" Shriek the sons of blackness.

>>3397451

>>3426314

"How to bring down heaven?" Howl the sons of the dawn.

Even more beautiful.

>>3431715

Well, I hope you read the rest of the comment.

There is no such thing as sin, i.e. being without. Everyone misses the mark, i.e. no one is perfect. If you were perfect you would not exist in this reality.

>>3434308

>and will manifest myself to him.

Has Jesus manifested himself to you in the flesh?

>>3440690

> This highlights how the truth is hidden from us and is evidence of false information promoted by modern scholars. By not correcting it in the English translations, to something similar to what we have presented, they allow people, those who assume the English is good/close enough, to be misled on this information.

Yes. I agree with you 100%.

I am of the opinion that the Greek NT portions of the three codices (Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, and Sinaiticus) are the easiest point to start from.

It's not that complex. We know the full meaning of all of the words used in Ancient Greek and we have numerous complete texts since even before ~500 BC to corroborate their meanings.

High level philosophical texts at that. The underpinnings of modern Western civilization.

Just plugging the Greek words into wiktionary.com gives you a wealth of information on the true meaning of the words, over the course of hundreds of years 500-300-30BC etc.

We have been living a lie for many thousands of years. I think it was purposeful manipulation on the part of Constantine during the institution of the church (circa 300 AD) to remove and destroy the Greek texts and replace them with the bastardized translations of the Vetus Latina and later the Vulgate.

The damage was done there and ALL of modern Christianity from that point on has been following purposefully twisted, perverse, and degenerate teachings.

And now we know that Jesus spoke Koine Greek, all serious modern scholars agree. He was at least bi or tri lingual (Aramaic, Greek, most likely Hebrew). He grew up in Koine Greek speaking provinces, Nazareth. The entirety of Judea had been speaking Greek since Alexander the Great conquered it around 322BC. The Roman empire kept Greek as the official language for the region and all governmental records indicate Greek was the language in official government use. We know through his direct speaking with Pontious Pilot and the centurion that he spoke Greek. All of the gospels are in Greek. All of his apostles and disciples wrote in Greek. If Jesus wanted his message spread, disseminated, and recorded, it would have had to have been in Greek and not some obscure dialect.

Greek is the source language of his teachings.

There's a reason they were destroyed.

His teachings in Greek are much more PROFOUND and EXPLOSIVE than anything most Christians even dream possible. They are the teachings of a MASTER philosopher, with beautiful prose and multiple levels of meaning.

Once you start reading the Ancient Greek you see the truth. The complexity and beauty of his directly attributed quotes are impossible to deny. There's no way they were translated into Greek from another language. His play on words and meanings is way too subtle and beautiful for that to be the case.

An example, Luke 10:12 he uses ekeinē twice.

legō hymin hoti Sodomois en tē hēmera ekeinē anektoteron estai ē tē polei ekeinē.

I say you all Sodom in his day there-farther-in-the-past bear[able]-at-that-time being than that city there.

He plays on the multiple meanings of ekeinē:

ἐκεῖνος • (ekeînos) (Epic, Attic, Koine)

(demonstrative) that

(of place, to indicate something farther from the speaker) there

(of time, to indicate something farther in the past)

He is saying: it was more bearable to exist in Sodom then than now at that city there.

The entirety of the NT is like this. The meanings of his teachings are much more profound and full of love than this insane BDSM freakshow that modern Christianity has become of fire and brimstone and deranged insanity.

https://interlinearbible.com/bib.pdf

The Berean Interlinear Bible NT, is a great resource if anybody wants to have a copy of the original Greek in digital form.

It's the Greek source biblehub.com uses.

Otherwise get a copy of the UBS5.

>>3442772

That's nice. I don't want to be rude, but you are "giftly discerning" trash translations. Quite apostatic in nature. From apostasy, before you go on thinking I mean apostolic.

I suggest you do the due diligence and actually read what is said first hand and not the translations of insane men whose minds were destroyed under repression or commissioned by men committed to the enslavement and control of entire nations of people.

>>3449919

> First of all, there is NO SIN. You can miss the mark on the central tenants of reality, and the One will correct you – throughout all your lifetimes. So the only way to become "sinless" is through free will and through the grace of God. You need both.

No need for revision. There is NO SIN. No such thing. The statements are both the same and logically consistent with each other.

I point you to

>>3425836

for further info.

>>3450672

> The complexity exists, for example:

Yes, there are obviously Aramaic/Hebrew words that have been borrowed for the Greek. It makes sense especially for proper nouns such as this. Feast of Passover. I don't think that adds much complexity to the situation, as opposed to the translation straight from Hebrew (or Hebrew to transliterated Greek) for which we have many less contemporary texts to gleam the meaning of the words.

There are direct quotes in Aramaic of Jesus as well, like his expiring on the cross.

"Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?"

Ἐλωί / ηλι ἐλωί / ηλι λεμὰ σαβαχθανεί

I feel the need to say requiescat in pace after contemplating his expiring, but somehow I get the feeling he does not rest. =)

> Constantine is not the bad guy.

You are most likely correct. I always feel a bit odd blaming Constantine when I talk about the subject. I just like to place the time period in question around 300ish AD around the time period the formal church is established by Rome and they formalize the Vetus Latina texts for mass diffusion. I will look into the writings of Lactantius. I should not slander and libel great men.

>>3457157

The entirety of Christ's teachings are about the permanence of the soul, reincarnation, and ever lasting life.

Christ died on the cross so we would have proof of reincarnation.

Read the NT in Greek.

Time to stop missing the mark.

1 Corinthians 15:12

Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

>>3453121

Israel didn't exist in the first century. The Roman Empire did. And before them the area was completely Hellenized by the Greeks.

This is not really debatable. They spoke Greek in the region. I'm sure subcultures had their own regional dialects and mother tongues, but Greek was the modern day equivalent to English in the United States today. Many speak Spanish or Chinese etc., but everyone speaks English to communicate with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Hellenic_period

> In the late 330s BCE, Alexander the Great conquered the region,

> The northern portion of Palestine ultimately fell into the hands of the Seleucid Empire in 219 through the betrayal of Governor Theodotus of Aetolia, who had held the province on behalf of Ptolemy IV Philopator.

> The Persians had not interfered with the internal affairs of the various subject-peoples of the region, but the Greeks followed a policy of deliberate Hellenisation, encouraging, although not normally enforcing, Greek culture. Hellenisation took root first in the densely settled coastal and lowland areas, and only really began to impinge on more backward areas such as Judea in the early 2nd century. According to Josephus and the Books of the Maccabees, the continued Hellenization of Palestine by the Seleucids resulted in an uprising in the Judean Mountains, known as the Maccabean Revolt.

> Trade and commerce flourished, particularly in the most Hellenized areas, such as Ashkelon, Jaffa,[67] Jerusalem,[68] Gaza,[69] and ancient Nablus (Tell Balatah).

> By 116 BCE, a civil war between Seleucid half-brothers Antiochus VIII Grypus and Antiochus IX Cyzicenus resulted in a breakup of the kingdom and the independence of certain principalities, including Judea

> During 73–63 BCE, the Roman Republic extended its influence into the region in the Third Mithridatic War.

> The Romans restored their self-governing status and as such this event was marked as the Pompeian era by some cities. "Under the early Roman Emperors the local communities lived under a variety of governments. The Greco-Macedonian colonies kept their own magistrates under whom were a senate and a popular assembly. The ancient Greek city-state remained the organization type. The Phoenician city-states likewise retained their traditional oligarchical systems, to which a Greek colouring had been by this time added."

Every one spoke Greek. You didn't just conquer a region and change the language over night. The Romans kept Greek as the lingua franca of the region.

Jesus spoke Koine Greek. This is know. There is no way around this. This is truth. He probably spoke other languages as well. At least Aramaic and Hebrew.

>>3456106

That is quite beautiful.

>>3481224

It's a fact. You die multiple times. You reincarnate. Every single chapter of the NT links back to this concept. Everywhere. Karma and Reincarnation. That is how it works. It's the only way to guarantee the permanence of the soul. It's the only way to perfect said soul.

Time to wake up.

Hebrews 9:27

ESV: And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Original Greek: καὶ καθ’ ὅσον ἀπόκειται τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἅπαξ ἀποθανεῖν, μετὰ δὲ τοῦτο κρίσις,

Transliterated Greek: kai kath' hoson apokeitai tois anthrōpois hapax apothanien, meta de touto krisis

English: and in however-many apportionments these, men once dying, after now this discernment

>>3452686

>He is alive and well, and very active.

Yes.

>>3481246

>Psa 115:17

>

>(GW) Those who are dead do not praise the LORD, nor do those who go into the silence of the grave.

>

>(KJVA) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

EXACTLY. The dead do not praise the Lord. If you go to "heaven" or "hell" are you barred from praising the Lord? No, right? That would be logically impossible. So, if you die, and you go to one of these "places," and you are "dead," then by the word of God you cannot praise him.

Is that logically consistent? No, that is insanity.

Is death permanent then? You cease to exist for all reality and time after you die?

NO, because the non-existent do not praise the Lord. This is extremely logical and consistent.

So where do you go?

You do not stay dead. EVER.

This is the only logical outcome of this statement. The entirety of the bible is riddled with them.

>>3481224

> Also, if reincarnation and the law of karma are so beneficial on a practical level, as reincarnationists claim, then how do they explain the immense and ever-worsening social and economic problems - including widespread poverty, starvation, disease, and horrible suffering - where reincarnation has been systematically taught throughout its history?

Well, you are clearly insane if you haven't realized everything on planet earth is slowly but consistently getting better for everyone.

Not much else I can say to an insane person.

>>3484811

They are not the same. There are three things that have been confabulated together by translators of the bible:

The resurrection of Jesus

The resurrection of the dead

The return of Jesus Christ, parousia, or the second coming.

The fact that Jesus as Man is able to have his dead body resurrected, logically indicates that we as Men can have our dead bodies resurrected.

I can use any number of quotes to get to where I'm going, but since we're on the Q board, let's stick with the following:

If Jesus says to fear the one who can cast your body into the child sacrificial cults outside of Jerusalem (Gehenna) after you die. What does this logically mean?

Is your "cast" adult body going to be in any danger in a child sacrificing cult? Is that the negative he is implying here?

Or is the negative he implying that your child body in danger in a child sacrificing cult?

If there is no negative he is implying, then there is nothing to fear from the One. The only way to guarantee a negative is if there is something to fear, and you certainly have to fear being a child in a child sacrificing cult.

So if you can only guarantee fear in a child sacrificing cult being a child, then logically how can your child body be cast into a child sacrificing cult?

You would have to be born into it, wouldn't you?

It is better to tear out your eye or cut off your right hand if they cause you to miss the mark, than to have your whole body cast into Gehenna.

Indeed it is.

Degeneracy over time leads us to ultimate evil. This is what Jesus is trying to say. If you don't stay dead, if there is permanence to the soul, what does that lead to over time if you go down the path of evil continuously over time?

You end up with the Aztecs, you end up with Gehenna, you end up with Hillary Clinton and the Vanderbilts.

You end up cannibalizing your self and your people to the point of non-existence. You kill all your logical avenues of existence in this material reality. You keep yourself from being able to exist on this plane. You become death, the destroyer of worlds. The adversary keeping you from life. Keeping you from the One, the Αὐτόν.

If you on the other hand, love your neighbor, care for yourself and others, strive for God. Listen to and understand his chastisements (karma, κόλασις, corrections) over time you breed prosper and multiply. You open up the avenues for existence to and for all those who continue to miss the mark, so that they learn and over time are brought into the light. Bringing the children of dawn into the light of God is our mandate from heaven. And it's easy to do. We just need to love one another and everything will be fine.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails.

1 Corinthians 15:20

Νυνὶ δὲ Χριστὸς ἐγήγερται ἐκ νεκρῶν, ἀπαρχὴ τῶν κεκοιμημένων.

At this present moment now Christ is gathering out of the dead, away from the origin those who conditionally sleep and wait.

ἀπαρχὴ -ἀπ’ (apocopic of ἀπό) + αρχή -> away from + origin

κεκοιμημένων -κε (form of ᾰν) + κοιμη (1st person singular dependent form of κοιμάμαι) + μένω -> conditionally + sleep + wait

And this is what the insane translators say it says:

But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Convinced yet you have to read the Greek? Just plug and chug away with wikitionary.com. Everyone on this planet with an internet connection can do this.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84%CE%BD#Ancient_Greek

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>>3499537

> wikitionary.com

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Oops!

1 Corinthians 15:20-22

At this present moment now Christ is gathering out of the dead, away from the origin those who conditionally sleep and wait. Since for through Man comes death, also through Man comes the rousing of the dead. Just as for in Adam all die, in this manner also in Christ all live making and sifting reality.

Hey namefag 1PS, what does the old testament say we should do to prophets who falsely prophesize?

Although, I agree with you that Jesus is God.

Kind of 101 stuff.

>>3530331

> That the majority of other people will burn alive forever.

Look who I found!

>>3530331

Not you OP. Just the NPC among us.

>>3543553

> where the verse is in the bible

What verses can you show of the bible? You can't show a single verse of the bible because you have never read the bible.

You've read bastardized translations by men possibly more insane than you are and you claim to have derived the Logos from insanity.

You have your head so far up your own ass you are in danger of becoming a singularity.

The damage you do in life comes back to you false prophet. In some form or another. Learn to forgive your fellow man if you want to break out of this cycle. Or keep spinning around the toilet bowl. Your choice.

>>3543612

>>3543692

>>3543796

I agree with most of what you say. Except for the following.

> It is quite easy to believe in eternal damnation and torture in fire for the DEVIL and his messengers. That much is a given.

I don't believe God would condemn any of his creation to eternal damnation. I think, maybe in our comprehension of time, this universe is apparently finite, this separation of Man from the Adversaries of God would seem like eternity to us. But I think this whole thing serves as a lesson to them as well. That no matter how hard they try, the will of the One is Done.

I agree, that like children that are fighting and you have to separate and send to different corners of the room, in order to protect his creation, God, will send us on our separate ways as we approach the next levels of reality that are closer to him.

But I don't for one second believe the One does not allow social mobility within his creation. You can go up or down. Your choice. You earn it.

I don't actually believe the Adversaries even consider their status of being as damnation. To us the separation from the One and permeation of evil and the intolerable might seem like damnation, but to sadomasochist demonic entities relishing in apostasy? It might seem like heaven to them.

If this is the case, then the One provides what each one desires to the fullness of their being.

This battleground, where we can mix and interact, is the membrane between two distinct realities. It is meant to pull all of us and all those Adversarial to the Self, closer to the One.

Remember, Good always triumphs over evil. There is no balance in this reality. We are all slowly being pulled up (or inwards) into being with the One.

To your other points, yes humans can become infested with demonic entities. Yes humans can adopt the principles of the Adversary (I hate to use the word Devil, because it does not convey reality; Satan i.e. the enemy/adversary is much closer to the truth). In adopting these principles they allow the unseen to grow and feed off of them. They permeate the reality surrounding them with these entities and energy.

In the same vein we can adopt the tenets of Oneness. Bringing down the will of the Lord amongst us. Shining light, beauty, and truth into the reality surrounding us.

We are capable of both. Our individual hearts are the battlegrounds. In kind, all of us together, enact one giant cohesive battleground. It is up to us, through free will, to chose. To learn, that there is only One way Life will continue in this reality, and it is not through the means and ways of the Adversaries of the One. This leads to death and destruction. It is through the means and ways of the One that Life will continue unperturbed for all of eternity.

>>3545942

>>3545876

You do know you are replying to yourself 2f737b?

Are you shilling? Or is your insanity showing?

facepalm

>>3551154

>I might observe that evil is a created but temporal power described to us as "the devil and his messengers". The reality of negative forces are "evil thoughts." and spiritual blindness/slumber. This rightfully diminishes the devil and his messengers "role."

Yes, I agree entirely.

>Separation will not and should not equate to denial and lying. That's where I draw the line. When we are suckered into lying and hypocrisy about our "current state" we've been somewhat spiritually neutered and deceived by "them." Being honest is exceptionally important.

Yes. Yes. Yes. We are not perfect and as long as we are present in this reality in its current state, we are subject to "sin indwelling the flesh."

>No form of choices will move us past the present reality of sin indwelling the flesh, evil present withIN us, and our current factual planting in weakness, corruption and dishonor

I think choices and TIME, will lead us out of this reality. After all, this is the second coming of Christ? Is it not? The defeat of death and sin? A new spiritual existence and reality when matter gives way to the spiritual? 1 Cor 15

>They know it's coming. Matt 8:29, but still twisted the fact by lying about it.

They are already "damned" living in their own "heaven" which we would consider "hell."

>I do expect more arousal, empowerment on both sides of the ledgers, and definitions, dividing lines between the parties as we draw closer to 'thee end.'

Yes. "Thee end." See above, also 1 Cor 15.

>We are "forced" into an adversarial state of existence.

It's not "forced." It's a simple extension of logical reality. You cannot have wishes, if you cannot have free will. You cannot have wishes and desires NOT be WILL, without a distinction between the Spirit and Flesh. Without the Flesh your desires instantly become your WILL and your WILL is manifestation.

Gal. 5:17

For the flesh desires into your Spirit, and that Spirit into your flesh these so mutually opposed-to-lie-together in order that not this: if potentially I desire, these I create.

>>3588986

>For the flesh desires into your Spirit, and that Spirit into your flesh these so mutually opposed-to-lie-together in order that not this: if potentially I desire, these I create.

For the flesh desires into your Spirit, and that Spirit into your flesh these so mutually opposed-to-be-in-the-power-of in order that not this: if potentially I intend, these I create.

A little bit more accurate.

>>3591820

> Maybe you do. Maybe not. Not so sure you recognize the internal evil that all have and are bound to as entities other than the person. Which is an integral part of the observations. We don't make "CHOICES" for the devil and his messengers. They do what they do. The scriptural list of what they do is quite lengthy.

Okay, I follow.

> So YOU may agree, but that agreement does not and can not extend to their agreement and THEY are part of the equations of us all. Dig?

Absolutely not. There is no free will in your reality, if this is what you believe.

>The notion that "YOU" create these things is, to my ears, just another DEVIL slant to blame MANKIND. Sorry to call the YOU that ain't YOU out on it.

The Self creates all things. God creates all things. The One creates all things.

Not the limited you.

I don't agree with your interpretations of integral demonic entities comprising your limited physical self. I would say that the Self of All obviously has a part of it where these entities dwell, otherwise they would not exist. But as you said, we are not the whole of the Self.

>Our choices do not make that happen.

Yes they do. You must perfect your soul before Christ returns. Until we all do as much as our own souls demand, we won't proceed to 1 Cor 15. That is made very clear in the teachings of Christ.

>No amounts of mankinds choices will make anyone sinless

Debatable. Everything is in the power of God. Through his grace ALL is possible. It's our choices that allow us to receive his grace or not. So I disagree entirely. It is his "gig, alone" but through his grace we can partake in his "gig."

Is this not the teaching of Christ? That we as sinners are all forgiven through the grace of God? We must only accept the help of the Father.

>>3610214

> No person free wills themselves past the internal reality of the internal, adverse to the Spirit will of evil present and indwelling sin, which is a will that is not "ours" as children of God.

LOL. No person free wills himself to fly either.

You don't have a basic grasp of what free will entails.

>There is only One, Perfect in the Eternally Perfect sense of the term.

>There are perfect devils, but then again, they are perfect in DEVIL WAYS.

So which is it? Only the One Perfect in the Eternally Perfect? Or the One Perfect in the Eternally Perfect and perfect devils?

Your inability to process logic correctly is showing.

>Evil and indwelling sin which is DEMONIC is not and is never forgiven.

There you go again, with your insanity and double standards. Everyone has to BURN BURN BURN. Am I right?

You keep citing all these passages in scripture. But you cite corrupted mistranslated passages and use them to conjure up insane realities and corruptions and bastardizations of the true Word of Christ.

Don't worry. You aren't alone in your insane ravings.

We'll come out of it. It's only a matter of time.

>>3616712

>LOL. No person free wills himself to fly either.

Yet! Many caveats I should add to this statement actually. Mea culpa.

>>3620075

>It's kinda the gold standard that most Bible aficionados tend to cite with engaging.

sigh

Here's the motherload, who here has met Christ, personally – in the flesh?

I know some of you are out there. There's at least one other anon I've seen post about it.

Story time fags.

>>3786015

The Bible was translated to keep sheep in line. The end.

Fixed it for you.

>>3815923

sigh

>2 Corinthians 5:16

>Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

This is ESV, not even going to waste time directly translating this quote you improperly cite. No wonder you are so confused.

From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.

>Galatians 5:

>

>17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Direct from Greek:

Galatians 5:17

For the flesh desires into your Spirit, and that Spirit into your flesh these so mutually opposed-to-repose in order that not this: if potentially I intend, this I create.

And again, the motherload :

John 6:40

For this is the will of My Father, that everyone beholding the Son and believing in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up in his furthest day.

You were saying?

>>3817600

And the true direct translation of John 6:40 is even more powerful.

beholding is actually θεωρῶν, which means to physically validate; physically validate a document.

should have eternal life is actually ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον, to-exist living lifetimes.

You'll get it eventually, in some life. You have forever. Good luck.

>>3826942

>What is your pet heresy again? Oh, yeah, you're the Creator.

Sounds like verifiable insanity.

Is the only way you can parse reality by twisting everyone's words to fit your mold? Lol. Sounds like the perfect way to lose grasp of objective reality.

Good luck down that path!

>>3849017

>Most do actually HATE the logia-if then's of scripture.

Says the shill to the discrete mathematician.

The evil you project on others is the evil you carry within. If you could logically parse, but an infinitesimal fraction of the logos of Christ you would understand how insane your statements sound. The God of forgiveness and love condemning everyone to the permanence of evil and sin… sigh

Morons will be morons? Or deliberate and insidious purpose?

I think we know exactly what you are.

To all other real anons, drop the KJV. Study the bible in the original Greek, do not "read" the bible. Study it. You don't have to ingest the whole thing, everything has its time and place. The passages that draw your attention in English, go to them in Greek and translate them with modern translation sources. It is easy. It is rewarding. Most of you spoke Greek anyway. It will come to you.

Enjoy a happy 11/11/18.

>>4007123

In all of your incoherent ramblings you do make one good point.

Read the Old Testament in Hebrew, and read the New Testament in Greek.

>>4007474

> The "new" "testament" is not a Greek book and it never will be.

Jesus spoke Koine Greek, so did the entirety of Judea at the time. The New Testament was written in Greek, because everyone involved in it spoke Greek.

Jesus predicated in Greek. His audience spoke Greek. The apostles spoke Greek. The official language of the entire region for the previous 500 years was Greek.

Do you seriously believe that Jesus would have been a threat to anybody if he predicated in some backwards half-dead language spoken by dirty tribesmen relegated to the backwaters of the empire?

LOL.

No serious biblical scholar disputes the fact Jesus spoke Greek and predicated in Greek. We even know it was Koine Greek.

>>4008583

Blah blah blah. FIRE AND BRIMSTONE! DEATH TO ALL!

You're forgetting to chant: Allah! Allah Akbar!

>>4013222

I'm pretty sure I've seen you downtown with a "repent" sign and a megaphone yelling at all the passerbys.

> who thinks his or her sins are let off the hook because of (insert whatever form of contrived scriptural formula) is stuck in their head

I mean, did Jesus not die for the forgiveness of everyone's sins? Are we reading the same book here? Because it seems the crazies are reading something else.