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Fr. Martin also spoke on Art Bell (some of these found on YouTube) and are brilliant interviews. The two spoke of "perfect possession" and I always thought one conversation in particular, Art asks Fr. Martin if there are currently people that are perfectly possessed. Fr. Martin's response seemed to indicate there were, and that they walk amongst us. I always thought he was talking about the Clintons, no doubt in my mind. Those that are perfectly possessed embrace their possession wholeheartedly.