Maybe Superhacker Ms Rian van Rijbroek and Mr Vermeend will be able to tell you.
I wish it was all in english, the Fake news in the Netherlands.
http:// www.quotenet.nl/Nieuws/Stiekeme-opnames-van-ruziende-cyber-auteurs-Willem-Vermeend-en-Rian-van-Rijbroek-210716
NB: all info on Ms Rian van Rijbroek will be much appreciated.