>>3495320

I was an early XRP adopter, when you could buy directly. So while I have incentive to push it, it's changed and I don't understand it anymore. I fully understand why banks would want a completely independent 3rd party to trust for the transfers as it fits the world banking model and nwo ideals.

What I don't understand is how people think XRP has any value. Lets forget the FACT that banks could create their own sw to do this. I've seen bloomberg's resources toward development and it's intense and not even an institution. Why would banks suddenly buy all xrp like it were digital gold? That would make some people with more money than some banks. In fact it would have to be balanced out to even make sense, how would the xrp already sold suddenly equal an increase to the world balance sheet?

>Gold Reserves:

>US: 8250 M tonnes = 300M Oz

>World: +/- 1B Oz

>Silver Reserves:

>US: 25000 M tonnes = 900M Oz

>World: +/- = 3B Oz

>Debts & Liabilities:

>US: 22 T

>World: 247 T

Also are you suggesting us has nearly 30% of world gold and ~28% of world silver but only 9% total debt?

>>3488330

Did Satoshi get 980k in that btc-cash fork? Would it matter if Satoshi dumped BTC to pump btc-cash?

>And 103 is the Gematria value of 'Bitcoin Cash'.

Why is everyone using Gematria and not looking into Next, which was supposedly the coin they were using to build in Israel when it started?

>>3525528

All a show. Q is wikileaks v2, when they took WL down Q popped up. Q was suspected to be many people as most messages seem toward itself.

bannedfromqresearch suggests it was taken over in Jan but I can't tell if that means deepstate is wining (taking WL then 8ch) and tightening the noose like that "D" post mentions, to ween out anti-semites (a law tweaked twice this year, once a year 20+ years prior).

It would make sense for all of this to be apart of the show, even allowing anyone to be president this last term because their goal is for us to lose faith in government and adopt 1 world gov and pope/aliens/projectbluebeam for disrupting faith to make 1 world religion, and we already know they want one world currency. It would make sense for a blockchain that the major corporations adopt and replace banks.

It makes sense for me to see companies ruining the world, letting people elect Trump takes the blame, USD crashes, banks aren't needed and neither are charities. Everyone gets an allowance with enough to eat and rent, want more you work your way into the system

>>3605076

>immo.foundation

Why do people think crypto will save us?

Fiat allows everyone to earn the same at the same time. USD for example might have milk at different prices geographically but it's relative to the cost of living and livable wage for that area (why NY/SF/LA pay more because it costs more, relative).

No crypto, that I'm aware of, is giving away free after any ICO's. If there's a limited supply that means the banks can invest $5 in every crypto and essentially recoup any stock/market losses instantly and be back in the game as an entity that only gets more and more valuable as the crypto is used.

I think the only way to get this stuff kicked off is either a fixed income for 'needs' and use ledger systems for 'wants'. This way everyone gets what they need and can buy what they want should they want to enter the workforce. To do this we needed a global currency otherwise there's no baseline for need costs geographically.

So while I disagree with war and violence, I think the nwo going around consolidating the world banking system was a necessary evil.

Hopefully a NEW crypto is unveiled where all governments on the USD adopt at the same time, and instead of an ICO we just get our assets put on the ledger. This would flip the poverty script as most minorities preferred bling (because they learned it can't be seized from police as easily) and whites opted for 401k/ and cash balances

>>3611302

Anyone notice ANY currencies on ANY markets going up? Anything to suggest destinations where things are being moved to?

>>3623174

>https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-26/shall-we-add-little-lithium-water-supply

Problem with this and fluoride is the average american is fat from getting all their water from soda. Water used for soft-drinks brought through a reverse osmosis process to keep flavor consistent.

The people killing themselves aren't health nuts, they're fat asses unable to consume their woes away so all of this is going to only effect babies, mothers, and organic people that enjoy living stress free lives.

But if they admitted that the solution would be to reduce soft-drinks and NYC knows how well that works. But they can't ignore the problem so they masquerade it and figure out a way to profit from both lithium sales and making those living a quiet life much less independent.

>>3623946

>It's animated.

It'd be an even more boring movie if it wasn't

>>3648857

Anyone else make plans to abandon the USA if the USD doesn't crumble soon? I've got a one-way ticket for Argentina in Jan, and I plan to take my gold&silver with me and never come back.

I've hit the point where I believe everyone just treading water is complicit with supporting a shit system. Two years of MAGA and frankly I don't see the improvement. You can MSM the numbers all you like, they're just more fluff numbers I don't see any proof life has gotten easier.

Everyone's miserable and giving 10% to their jobs. The amount of times I've stood in line while I wait for someone to give a shit to do their job is at least once a day and the only sting I seem to have is to get irate when someone refusing to do more than 10% of their job calling me impatient. I don't even know how to respond to people because they ALL just seem to expect me to meet then 90% of the way. Fuck america and fuck americans.

>>3653129

>>3653261

>Please go to Argentina renounce your US citizenship with your gold and silver one less scumbag on social security called KING DOLLAR for a reason fuckface.

LOL. I would never renounce my citizenship. You have to pay to do that and it's been worth less than nothing, so why buy in more to get out? SocialSecurity is something I'll never see. No one born after 1970 will see social security despite paying into it their entire lives. What's retirement 65 today, 55 yesterday, and 99 tomorrow? How's your FDIC gonna work out with 99 years to repay? It's all a scam and funny that you idiots are here to 'prepare' for the collapse, yet I'm the prick for calling you out on it.

You're all NPCs. This site's been good for one thing, to find all you jesus loving "critical thinkers". You're not independent thinkers, you're just idiots on a bible questioning everything and waiting for someone to save you other than yourselves.

Any of you have businesses that mean anything or are you all incels with jobs in your mothers basements with 8ch and marvel forums in your bookmarks?

Go try and start a business and tell me america is great. Mine were successful until you need the government to do it's job and regulate your enterprise competitors.

>>3657166

>I have started two businesses with my wife and family helping out and find that I have dedicated my time and effort far more as a self employed individual than I ever would working for someone else. Perhaps your frame of perspective is dragging your successful endeavors down more than any systemic problem- why do you expect immediate respect without giving it first?

Great. I can start 2 businesses in 5 minutes right now. I thought i made it clear starting a business is as simple as a TID and name not in use. You can start a business in any country in a couple minutes thanks to the internet. What makes america great? The legal system it advertises. That system is unusable unless you have lawyers on staff or millions to invest. Ever get a contract where you needed to hire more employees to complete, then not get paid? That's where the banks come in and that's when you're done.

Ever have to hire a lawyer, or a firm, and spend $50k to hear it's not worth pursuing even though they think/know you'll win your case you won't get your money? Ever sell a company? Ever need the police to investigate something?

I'm not going to go into specifics because frankly I don't think 8ch is so anonymous but I've had to rely on the police exactly 3 times and they just don't do anything but write tickets and ensure they're making money. There is no law and order, they just ensure there's no organizations gaining ground to contest them. That's it, they exist to serve themselves not citizens or the law.

Like the social security system? Like the fact it's been hacked and you're no liable for anything done with your SSN? I love it. My sister had her info stolen when government employees were leaked. My info was apart of that credit hack a couple years ago and I've got two marks for accounts I never opened and I now need to wait years for it to disappear. No matter what you're told you can't contest derogatory marks, there's no burden of proof to put debts on a credit report.

America is great for work, not to live. It will not support you back unless, like I wrote, you're not small business and that's a nearly impossible feat. Good luck getting to $500m in yearly revenue and staying a decent person. This system is not going to help you so WTF are you paying for.

This guy knows https://hooktube.com/watch?v=L-zjGMT06hE

>>3658710

Aside from Jurassic Park, this was the only movie I watched multiple times. Most of you are just geeks with jobs. Kudos if you're smart enough to be contractors. Just wait until you mingle with big business and think the law will represent you.

>>3659022

I love the idea of crypto but I don't trust it because I know encryption is a joke and internet is 99% NWO organizations. Look at gab's struggles. Think that comcast bittorrent meddling won't fuck up bitcoin when it really threatens a currency? Wonder why net neutrality isn't in effect? Would it matter when NN does get implemented if we're already living in a "ends justify the means" era? Government controls internet more than you know. Encryption doesn't exist and the only reason you don't know this is they want you trusting your information with it. Once money moves to the internet people will start to see how futile it is to HOLD. Public ledger is the only way but banks work on a system of trust, people can be corrupted, and people make tech. There's no way to have an opensource system compete with a government and close sourced. This board is a great example to show how even btc was quietly taken by big business.

>>3686888

Where's the source for this? I'd like to know when this rumor started so we know when the clock is up. 10 years could be 2021. Silver has only declined since 2011, after peaking at 50, so we're talking 3 years after bear stearns shorting finally took effect. You're all here planning for a immediate collapse based on what, insolvency?

I don't understand how you're ALL q followers, hence the qresearch board, which must mean you trust the message of Q, but Q's message is trust Trump yada yada and think he's going to just fold the economy and ignore the message of "some will never know because they don't choose to". If the economy were to collapse there wouldn't be anyone in America that didn't know.

>>3688016

You're a neckbeard cis virgin with no job or friends. "where's the proof" "right here on the internet"

Useless fucking twat

>>3688187

So it's done and nothing happened. Why continue speculation it clearly had no impact

A way to get VZ gold cheap, gobble it up, then roll to GLD standard?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-01/trump-orders-sanctions-on-venezuela-gold-to-pressure-maduro

>>3736779

Why do all of you crypto fans think Trump will opt for an existing coin? Wouldn't this risk putting a foreigner as the lead owner or a bank? Didn't we read about winklevoss twins owning 1% and SVB owning $100m back when it was ~$300/ea?

Also wouldn't crypto mean EVERYONE that wants to participate in the economy needs a smart-phone or computer which would likely make all elderly people dead broke with little to no chance to survive?

I'm not hating, I just don't see how it's plausible. Just because there's like 20b phones out there doesn't mean they're not mostly in Indian closets.

Also it would mean our entire economy relies on foreign tech because none of this is made in america and we've already got reports to show it's all bugged or flawed.

>>3747156

>Satoshi Nakasone

I knew the board was good for nothing

>>3740915

What percentage do each quarterly sale represent? Wouldn't more money mean selling more and more like compound interest?

>>3798842

None of you are afraid of 'hosting' child porn or being accused of it and having no ability to prove you didn't?

>>3800838

Ultimately who determines the winner? alexa ranks, msm, yt 'page views'? If you and everyone you know uses IPFS and bittube, do you GAF if everyone else uses YT?

People compromise their integrity once they think they're not in the 'in crowd'.

YandEx is older than Goog, but almost no one in america even knows it exists. We need a 1%, maybe not 'the 1%', simply because 98% of the world just wants to belong in the 10%.

>>3802020

LOL, can't even write 3 works without appearing like you missed ESL101

>>3815985

Didn't know snowflakes frequented this site. You also wear women's clothing and cut yourself on weekends recording yourself 'I'd fuck me'?

>>3478497

>>3495320

>>3490163

If gold was stolen and replaced with plated tungsten, wouldn't this ruin the idea gold standard is returning?

The reason gold was a standard was the cost to mine was considered equal anywhere as it was same tools and labor and output was mostly based on effort and it was easy for a non-miner to identify fools gold from real.

If we're talking about being unable to determine real from fake without spending a portion to have it verified (which means authorities able to verify take the risk), wouldn't that put gold in a paradox where it's not trustworthy to trade with and no longer a viable option?

>>3830928

Just saw bitmain is in WA and hiring but they pay in USD so wtf!?!

>>3688731

>The impact comes when JPMC stops shorting the market i.e. Oct 18 when the immunity ran out. The measures to control the price are now no longer protected and runs cannot be dragged down with manufactured shorts any longer.

Are you all shills? According to this you're not only wrong about 'impact' but immunity.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/11/06/ex-jp-morgan-trader-pleads-guilty-to-manipulating-metals-markets.html

>>3867179

>Last but not least, the EO was "11110" - if that's not meaningful I do not know what is.

What's your definition of 'meaning'? This EO was mentioned in the previous board and JFK was killed months after.

This never made it to senate https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr6347

Trump seems to approve of putin and putin banned the fed/rothschilds and returned Russia to a gold standard. There's lots in the news about gold (uk not letting au see theirs) trump sanctioning vz's gold.

Doesn't matter, elections were lost, nothing's been done. Pretty clear the dollar will stay

>>3894224

I don't understand why any of you think crypto is a possible answer considering how dependent it is on both internet and encryption. Either one fails and it's done for, all of them are done for.

Also you don't have the ability to inherit anything, if someone dies holding crypto it dies with them. Which means the quantity will eventually reach zero and will likely be abandoned when it gets close, which would be public knowledge.

Iran's executing people for manipulating gold market.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46206435

>>3899247

I've run large internet providers and started a few wisps. When you get government contracts you learn about the frailty of guaranteeing 100% up-time even with diverse path fiber.

One emp and a location is offline for likely years. Wireless is convenient but thanks to interference you can jam up a location indefinitely unless the fcc shows up. Hell I recall a story about cheap florescent lightbulbs messing with a cell provider in a city and fcc taking a while to figure it out.

Lose the internet and no one is going to trust your offline crypto trade. No one trusts gold unless you meet at a place willing to guarantee its good.

Go try to buy/sell crypto someplace without internet, I 'dare' you. IMO you just trust something you've never been an authority figure for. Internet goes out and you think hotspot but you blindly think it can never go down. Egypt would prove you wrong in no time.

For encryption, I dare you to find a method you can share child porn or potus threat with the nsa and prove your theory. Encryption is not only able to get cracked faster and faster, but you're forgetting that to circumvent having to waste time with this they just put backdoors in cpu's to 'predict and log' your keys. Why do you think military runs a completely physically separated network from the internet? Hell didn't we just see supermicro didn't know china was installing an unintended chip in manufacturing and slipped past DoD and organizations that should have caught it?

Great find on the inheritance fix, just need to get everyone to use it and then ignore all points made above about the dependencies based on it. Why do you think banks operate on 'trust and relationships' for thousands of years? I recall the only uncracked encryption was from WW2 native Americans. The 'fact' that this is the 'only uncracked encryption' should suggest that all others have been cracked. The reason encryption is fine for communications is because cracking them later isn't that big of a deal. However we're talking about something not constantly changing, once it's public it's been cracked faith is lost and value is deflates. Say there is a trust system, how many people have a will for what little money they have now? There's no comparison for money being lost forever, previously you reprint or just dig up the coin from the ground when found.

You can't change encryption for an entire economies blockchain instantly, look how long it takes to sync the chain today. If it gets cracked it'd be patched, repaired, all whole holding the economy stale for a bit which is all it takes for people to start looking elsewhere. Cracked again and you run the risk of people not updating in time and forget it, caputso!

Also all of you are forgetting you don't own a network and even if you did you're talking about sending it across the internet. There's going to be massive fraud for network people to snoop and grab keys. Then when you consider comcast fucking up torrents, what happens if at&t buys cryptocoin65 and chooses to meddle with the current coin so no one can confirm a transaction, just to scare people into the coin they invested in?

>>3495320

>When the debt bomb goes off and the derivites faulter. The bandaid utilized to stave off the 08 crisis will be revealed, along with JPMC 10 yr immunity to manipulate the markets. Hence the pull back from the short positons on SLV.

Honestly why does anyone think this is going to occur? It's excuse after excuse, since 2008. This is all propaganda to keep a market gold and silver.

Anyone watching silver?

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SLV/chart?p=SLV#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

>>4004259

So lets assume we return to a gold standard. Price jumped from $35/oz to $850/oz in 1983 and currently floats around 150% in 2018 or $1250/oz.

If I HOLD gold and it jumps to $10,000/oz does this mean I could buy a house or a car for a few ounces of gold or would those also inflate in value?

Is this all to avoid being left with BOA/Chase 'balances' they can't convert to USD and merely stay alive, or will I get ahead of the curve with a few oz of gold?

What would determine the inflated value of gold/silver? $30 to $850 in 1980's seems drastic compared to $1250 to $10,000 even though the national debt is substantially higher.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/overstock-to-sell-retail-business-and-reportedly-go-all-in-on-crypto-by-february.html

https://www.mediciventures.com

>>4013573

>Sorry I dont buy the 'decentralized ledger system' created by the cabal as a 'mark of the beast' theory.

I do. You have each country responsible for mining/processing transactions, not individuals. Instead of a serial that no one knows if it's copied, you have a ledger to know which anyone can read.

Keeping companies in charge of exchanges and mining is exactly what banks and wall st do today.

>>4015606

>What are metals priced in? What are cryptos priced in? Who runs you now? The Federal Reserve.

You're being naive. Metals existed before the fed, they transitioned the value. Watch that Roman empire video to see how people asked 'whats gold worth' when Nixon was around and froze pricing, all to quell the people. Fed wouldn't exist if it didn't assess a value for everything.

>>4016007

You're rambling.

>it's all around you, every corner of your life

wtf does this do to upend the simple fact that what you ranted about previously means nothing

>What are metals priced in? What are cryptos priced in?

Last I checked I can gamble in bitcoin, buy shit on amazon with bitcoin, buy precious metals with bitcoin.

Everything doesn't translate to DOLLAR its you that stuck on dollars. Go to a country that dgaf about the dollar and you'll see pricing in their currency. It all depends on what your taxes are collected in and trickles down from there.

Aside from your rant, do you have a point or are you here to just practice chatting?

>>4017197

this is a shill. he's peddling new fed dollars and projecting his bias.

it was suspected this Q shit is MOS trying to get people in line. pretty obovious now

>>4028870

People are lazy and don't know how money works or how they do. They base what they want on the opposite of what they dislike and don't learn they only like safe things that require little thinking and don't remind them how cancerous it is.

When it comes to money they want what others want because they want something and will need to trade but don't want to think about any way to do that other than what others want today. Remember trading chickens or eggs for grain? No, they sell for money and buy grain.

With all of this said, who ever has the most followers will determine what is wanted.

If we go back to metals I think we'll have an intro period where "you get $100 for every 1oz of silver or 1g of gold" but once banking thinks the majority of metals were accumulated they'll have to raise the price to maintain leverage and that might mean "now you get $500 for every 1oz of silver and 1g of gold". Always pushing until a few have the majority and can control societies to evolve and prevent chaos.

nothing else makes sense to me. as for what becomes the material the banks want, no idea. it would be absurd to me for silver mining companies to be worth trillions though

Canada outlaws mailing precious metals.

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3517-canada-outlaws-the-mailing-of-precious-metals

Not sure if this means you can't have them delivered (ie buy online). But you can't get them mailed if you wanted to leave the country and meet your gold elsewhere.

Can anyone give me a good reason this would happen? I can pretend insurance fraud "mail fake gold" claim it got lost or replaced along the way. But I find it hard to believe.

>>4219821

>Comex Rule 589

https://www.silverdoctors.com/silver/silver-news/french-analyst-someone-is-cornering-the-silver-market-to-cause-a-silver-shortage/

>The COMEX Rule N° 589, which entered into force on 22 December 2014, could be applied at any moment.

>

>Let’s suppose, that Silver price is 16$. At some point nobody will want to sell its physical Silver. Buyers will then be forced to raise the auction. After a rise of $ 3, the market will be stopped 2 minutes to let buyers and sellers negotiate. Then the market resumes, the auction goes up by $ 3 … etc. When the threshold of $ 12 rise in the day will be reached, without anyone wanting to sell physical silver, the market will be closed. And there will be no fixing for that day. Without a fixing, nobody will be able to buy or sell silver in the world till the next fixing.

>

>The second day, the silver market opens at $ 28. But nobody agrees to sell physical silver at this price … so as the day before, the price rises by $ 12 … but there is once more no fixing.

>

>In 2 weeks, 10 business days of trading, courses will increase from $ 16 + $ 120 = $ 136. … Have fun and do the math by yourself.

This is trading and referencing the mines selling their output to the banks which list on the markets.

How/when does it related to those holding silver privately?

I know that's typically jewelers and pawn shops, are there banks or storage vaults that buy personal stocks when it gets to hard to source from major holders and producers?

>>4247544

So what will die off? I planned to max out my cards and buy metals, like many did buying crypto last winter, not just in hopes credit agencies fold and my debt can be wiped or halved but so what I purchase with credit only increases in value.

I've avoided buying realestate knowing that actual sale vlues haven't really increased just market projections have and worried that I'd have to put so much down and risk mailing in the keys not just because the market might sink but creditors might fold and who knows where my deed winds up.

Mean time I bought land really cheap and built myself for minimal cost so worse case I spent 6 months rent for a place in the country but got more than 6 months to live there making it a worthwhile investment.

>>4289357

This has been sitting since march. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5404

Can anyone confirm/verify if 116th senate can pass a bill written by 115th house or if POTUS can either under 115th or 116th without the bill passing either house and or senate?

If he can it'd be great if he shut down and passed it just before 116th took office preventing 115th from undoing it.

>>4289034

>>4289357

Does Russia count? https://www.rt.com/business/412546-china-russia-gold-standard-dollar/

>“It will definitely lead to higher prices for physical gold. Imagine if you could buy on COMEX and OTC gold at a much lower price and still have the option to sell it in Asia for a much higher price; this would kill the old paper scams immediately. Therefore, I would guess that both could come up with new restrictions that only cash settlements will be allowed to avoid this. We know for example that even today 99.96 percent of COMEX gold futures are settled in cash,” Grass wrote.

Is it possible we're seeing what we saw in the housing market and in The Big Short, where the market appeared to be fixed and fraudulent? When the gold standard was removed, they froze the market and it took 2 years to go from $235 -$888 and in 1980 to $2100

>https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart

Are we seeing something similar where it's just being fixed until something else is set?

>>4301920

$50 / oz? Is this a total guess or an example of $ to OZ and no speculative pricing on markets of precious metals? Does this mean COMEX and anything trading metals has to buy to cover their sheet? I can't understand how $1250/oz today and 233:1 oversold would do anything but make any paper on gold worthless if it wasn't converted to physical gold.

It would allow people to sell paper and convert to savings and make out like a bandit if physical gold was $50/oz

>>4302643

>1913 = 2018 then it all makes sense.

I don't get this. I'll think about it more but if gold is the reserve and drops to $50/oz, what's to stop everyone from selling it all and just holding cash or are you suggesting cash and bank balances are nearly worthless? Ie if a bank doesn't have any physical gold they rely on what ever ratio of USD they hold being a percent of the reserve gold holdings and we could see bank balances drop 10000:1?

Hard for me to fathom 1913 = 2018 when we're talking about just legislature popping out to enable the FDIC. I thought this board was to discuss "q" and their plan to prevent another crash?

>>4306827

>bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

$50 in Jan-1913 has same buying power as $1,285.91 Jan-2018.

I see what you mean about deflating but I don't quite get how to works. Aren't we saying nothing is safe? I have 'some' metals gold and silver. If they can really only be bought with USD and we're deflating that to 1913's valuation, I just spent $1250 on gold to be worth $50, when I could have just held cash to trade in for new notes? Or are you suggesting cash and bank balances won't be worth anything? Are we saying everything becomes 25x cheaper? Milk goes from $2.50 to $0.10 cars go from $25k to $1k? I know silvers been bough by the tons for $4/oz by JPMC, and advertised as ($15/oz is the cost of mining) for a decade, does this mean silver will be worth $0.60/oz

How does this not equal a collapse? You can't make a gold standard and have everything deflate equally and you can't deflate gold to $50, make it a reserve, and keep bank balances and stocks, including commodities inflated or they'd just buy up gold. Can't deflate unequally making gold $50 and devaluing stocks and commodities and not literally be a crash.

>The cover of that 2019 economist has the four horsemen on the cover.

If I had to guess it looks a saudi king on the left, statue of liberty knight, then some asian thing, and death on the right. I linked gold standard in russia and china. Are these to suggest it's US/ASIA/SA and the rest die? How do they "die" from deflation? India isn't included in this but they have most the worlds gold in the form of jewelry on housewives necks and temples.

>Remember 2/3 don't make it.

This is a reference to 3/3 being the reserve currency or 2/3 of the population won't make it? If the former, are we talking gold/palladium/silver which 2/3 are somewhat equal today in price but silver is still 83x cheaper?

Gold and palladium aren't oversold on comex equally. Every oz of gold on comex is oversold 233:1 while silver is over 500:1, does that mean silver will inflate 1:2 while the others deflate 50:1?

>>4306962

Wasn't there a general that wrote some outline of how to subvert america in the 90's? Perestroika deception looks to be similar but older. I can't find that wiki article I read almost a decade ago after reading "Russia touting no sex in america" it came up as a plan similar to the 'elders of zion' plan.

>>4307437

I forgot to add/ask…

What's this do to realestate? Are we deflating USD 1250:1 meaning a $500k house is now worth $400 or 8oz of gold or 500:1 or $1k or 20oz of gold? How about mortgages and credit cards? Do they deflate the same ratio equally or is debt wiped and if you live in a home you now own it? I can't understand how a $25k car loan would be handled if not similarly to the 1250:1 or 500:1'ish what ever USD is equal to.

>>4314390

Gold going north 10k/oz doesn't make sense seeing that's only 8x current rate.

>The U.S.'s trade deficit

Doesn't every country have a deficit except for countries with a relatively small GDP?

>We get free money to produce soldiers and weapons to police the world.

Agreed.

>When the FED goes away so does America's current occupation. That means we have to learn how to make ends meet again.

Disagree. World isn't able to suddenly accept the fact. For America to lose the image of world power things would collapse. World is run on faith and if people learned they were being ruled by Jesuits, billions of people would lose trust and refuse to participate. It's much more plausible for US to subvert their lie and ultimately just spin all of them out of power the same way they integrated and subverted into control.

>I wouldn't invest in any Yoga Studios or Wheat Grass stands in LA if I were you. The economy would shrink. A lot of people will have to move back in with relatives, sell that second car and lose that $200/month cable bill.

Which is why it makes more sense to deflate like

>>4307673

and bring gold to $50 and wipe out most debts and unsecured credits. Really anything else allows those that wrote the ledger to retain the largest balance and just buy back anything they want. Gold to $50, milk to $0.10, USD cash to 1/1250th, stocks to reevaluate based on what's considered valuable now, bank balances covered by what ever their metal holdings are divided by the balances their customers have after trading the new FED for new notes.

>>4314932

85 oz for a house seems worse than today. a decent 3500sqft modular is like $50k today, land another $5-10k. Seems better to buy realestate than metals if this all happens.

>>4314982

Russia returned to gold standard with china already. JPMC bought silver because it's at $15/oz and they got contracts for $4/oz from the mines qty millions of ounces.

>>4316728

>"a decent 3500sqft modular is like $50k today, land another $5-10k"GoodGrief man where the hell do you live? Somewhere in 1950? In Brazil?

Why not pull up 90210 to prove me wrong? What's this 10 minutes outside Portland? Did you see a number and skip ALL the words I wrote, because none of the houses you listed a modulars, they're all custom designed homes outside a major democratic city within 20 minutes of the coast.

Goog/Bing/YandEx 'cost of a modular home' and you'll see they're like $50k, that's the "cost" of a home today, everything else is the cost of of living in a suburb which doesn't compare to the chart of cost of living increase since 1950 (which is when suburbs started getting developed)

And note I'm mentioning Modular home which is essentially a regular house just built off site in sections. Not a mobile which are the equivalent of sears homes which were basically what built america and those were like $5k all-in.

>As for Russia returning to a gold standard already with China I beg to differ. Russia and China have some settlement agreements outside of the USD that are based in gold. Also they are trading Oil in Yuan in the Shanghai PM exchange. Russia has captured their central bank… kinda… but there is not, to my knowlege, an open gold window in Moscow where one can to recieve a fixed quantity of gold for a given quantity of Rubles regardless of quantity. If I am wrong please hit me with the sauce and I will high five you but I have not heard this shit at all.

I really fail to see why you're even contributing here because you didn't bother to read any of the posts. Most of what you've written has been wrong.

>>4302575

>>3475389

https://www.rt.com/business/412546-china-russia-gold-standard-dollar/

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3474911.html#q3475389

>As for JPM. Also, all I know is that they have a colossal pile of physical silver. The details of how they got it is unknown to me. Derivative paper contract nonsense is likely how they got much of it but I am not deep enough into the details to talk intelligently to that point.

Utterly useless

https://investorplace.com/2012/06/how-to-buy-silver-for-just-4-an-ounce/

You think chase pays $14/oz for silver in qty of millions of ounces?

I'm just blocking your id, you're utterly being here. I won't miss anything you have to say

>>4324168

>If I was a day trader I would be setting myself up for shorting XPD and going long XPT.

How does returning to metals not effect the markets? You'd invest in paper XPT knowing it's going to be a reserve?

You listed silver as just undervalued despite being sold $14/oz when you listed as $25/oz. It's oversold twice as much as gold is on paper and you think buying paper XPT is ok? Wouldn't the metals have to be equally oversold to match inflation price and justify buying more paper metal? Otherwise we're talking about a crash because if they aren't going to balance paper sales then no paper is worth buying.

All of this reminds me of nesara rumors but doesn't explain why, if true, military allowed the past 10 years to happen.

>>4324369

I don't follow the confusion you think I have. We're talking about metals. Why do you think I'm a proponent of bitcoin? Crypto doesn't mean bitcoin it just means a public ledger as opposed to a private one in the FED. I got in bitcoin when it was $100 and got out when it hit $15k. I got in ripple when it was 20k for $100 and got out when it hit $3/ea. Too much risk to buy any back, imo.

It's easier to track serials publicly to avoid counterfeits so I can see how crypto tying serials on bars to keys on bills would make sense. US could send crypto serials to Russia instead of actually shipping and no 3rd party needed and people could confirm their bills aren't counterfeit online without going to a bank.

I could see bitcoin or alternative surviving if nwo split off the economy and you couldn't buy NWO goods with anything but bitcoin. Amazon accepting it suggests that might be the case.

>>4325950

>In regards to the nesara statement. Ive heard over the years the pentagon was hit where the paperwork for nesara was being stored.

How can I feel safe with a government that has no backups of things?

>And there was gold in the bottom of the twin towers that they were probably storing for the perfect time, but got robbed.

This just makes me think, if true, anyone that helped make Die Hard with a Vengeance was involved. But again, if all true, just means our military isn't elite and not only let it happen but then let Obama happen after letting Bush take a second term.

While I have metal for the option of a collapse and rebuild, I'm more hoping for a total collapse and we just go back to farmers or die. I love tech and lived tech life since I was a kid, but as I got older I learned that most people aren't independent and tech has only helped those monkeys live and out reproduce us like cancer in less than 2 decades. Now I just want to live on my own land, eat my own chicken and eggs, drink my own well water, and smoke my own weed. I couldn't care less about anyone/thing else anymore.

I don't think I met a full well-rounded person since my grandparents died, when I was a teenager, 15 years ago. Everyone else is a single-core, single-threat human with no ability to see more than a single step ahead and figure out how to lie cheat and steal to get someone else to pay for their mistakes and lack for forethought.

>>4351517

Is it? Take your meds anon.

>>4357900

Now I know how lonely a babysitter is.

>>4425545

>$10,000 Real value of gold (assume 8X increase)

This I'd like someone to rationalize supply and demand. When gold raises to 8x, people will cash in. Once they cash in, supply goes down and to compensate the hoarding the US would have, again, price would go up.

The last time they did this it went up 59% https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/gold_reserve_act

So how many would hold out until it was worth 15x?

>>4480522

This was brought up before it was published on 11/01/18 >>3687122 and >>3688187 .

Then it was brought up that the impunity expired here >>3688195 and late that week the article came out and noted that the person busted was a patsy and his execs knew and ordered it but weren't charged.

This was all 2 months ago and prices have only risen 1%.

What happens when you charge underlings and not the puppet masters? Nothing changes. Arrests made, nothing changed. It's either still being shorted or no reason for it to move. Seems like a dead end of research to think anything's going to happen.

Come 1/1/19 if there isn't significant movement it's unlikely we're ever getting off the fiat fed

>>4488555

>for me, crypto is gold's digital representation for the internet age; it will facilitate gold based electronic commerce.

Do any of you really understand how many dependencies crypto has? For one encryption has been broken for a decade. It's not a joke when people say military has tech 50 years ahead of citizens tech. It's all a ruse to say "FBI pays israeli company $150k to crack iphone", to make you think iphone is the best phone for criminals.

You all really don't understand "blackhat" stuff, and I use that as just a general term for complex unwinding of tech to exploit and make it vulnerable. If you understood networking you'd know how cloudflare works and how the american/world version of the Chinese firewall. If you understand that move on to how encryption works, how its only secure to people the same way a house lock makes you sleep at night, but not to people that build it and have to crack it for governments.

Once you start to pick apart the picture you see how crypto will ONLY work if governments use it to replace the FED and the public/private ledger, but it'll never be an exploitable currency for the commoners. If you think this, just wait until money really moves into it and cracks aren't private. There's ways to crack cryptos but people don't make big moves for the same reason company executives don't sell all their stock to cash out, it'd be worthless.

>>4488648

If you believe NESARA is true platinum is the only metal undervalued a factor of 4. Silver is about 60% of it's intrinsic value and gold would just be a reserve metal and I'm not sure if they'd let that get far like they didn't in the early 1900s.

I have more silver than gold and only started buying platinum because I don't care for palladium.

>>4502924

>maybe, but even silver certificates can be counterfeited and stores of physical PM can be robbed.

The reason we moved to more and more complex bills and off gold was people couldn't always tell if a bar/coin was 100% the metal they were being told it was. Look at the tungsten scandal and now China claims they can turn copper into gold'ish. At least with bills you had establishments to backup securing them, whether its a bank admitting your balance was stolen and replenishing it or the police if someone stole your paper money or gold. But with crypto you have no options if it's stolen. Even if you hold it in a company like Mt Gox, you're SOL. At least with physical assets you have physical means of protecting it or monitoring. With anonymous digital you have jack shit.

While a lot of you believe you're technically savvy, and you all are compared to the majority of the world, you're ignorant to the fact that your savvy is what makes crypto enticing and that the majority of the world lacks the foundation to share this trust of a system they don't understand. Remember "in god we trust" and "all others pay cash" was a saying for a reason. This is all based on trust, and right now trust isnt there for majority to use crypto just like it wasnt there for people to trust paper cash over metal for a long while

>>4503112

>An ounce of fine gold is priced about 83 times the price of an ounce of fine silver, but there is about the same number of ounces of fine gold and silver in existence. In terms of concentration in the Earth's crust, the ratio of silver to gold by weight is 10:1.

But think about where the price came from. It's value comes from how it's sold on comex. gold is oversold 233:1 and silver 517:1 per >>3495349 and other posts. The other fact is silver is used in manufacturing and the past 10 years the silver demand in manufacturing has exceeded the mining outputs. So the value would raise higher and faster on silver than gold, even if China didn't come up with a way to replace gold with copper a few weeks ago.

I'm not positive of the numbers you found because it's said they mine 1b oz a year of silver because manufacturing uses 800m oz.

>>http://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_silver_is_mined_each_year

>Around 233.7 tons of silver are mined each year and around 215.3 are used. Around 190.234 tons of gold are mined each year and around 182.9 tons are used.

>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_mining_in_the_United_States

>United States mines produced 1,170 tons of silver in 2014, 17% of the silver it used. 63% of consumption was imported, from Mexico, Canada, Peru and Chile, and the remainder was derived from recycling.

Note from the wikipedia page that silver rose from $4/OZ in 2001 to $13/OZ in 2007 to $49/OZ in 2011, then chase started shorting it to buy millions of OZ. So if you take into consideration silver is 517:1 and could be $49/OZ and gold is 233:1 and $1250 simple math could make gold $291k/OZ ( 233x ) and silver $25k/OZ or ( 1688x ).

My guess for why Chase did it is possibly to hedge a FED bust and be able to back their ledger with silver while others couldn't, or since they had a broker busted for shorting at the same time they bough, maybe it was just a good investment to buy for 25 cents on the dollar.