>>3609113 (lb)

>well it's nice there are "good" reasons. heaven forbid we should have to justify ourselves to the 95%.

I get what you mean, but the fact is that besides the moral reason (which is really the only reason we need to put the issue on the table), there are other reasons not related to the morality of the issue.

>only a majority? how about 100%?

I would be happy with a consistent 90%+.

Also, the reason this issue is so interesting from a technical stand point is that when one starts to look into it, one needs to take into account the carrying capacity of the planet, maximum practical population density and the insane artificially (as in, too much foreign aid) propped up fertility rates of certain countries.

And then you can also add space colonization and the politics of space colonization to the mix.

Humanity has some massive and fascinating issues ahead of it.

>>3609166

I am coming from the perspective of pro-growth.

Thing is: if there is a carrying capacity (and there is), what is the REAL carrying capacity (which I assume varies according to available tech)?

Also, if there is a carrying capacity and someone as to not be allowed to remain growing (inevitable, as you said), then Western nations need to revaluate their foreign aid policies. Makes no sense for the more productive to piss away their fruits of labor on having Niger fertility rate at an artificially propped up (via said foreign aid) of 8.

>>3609210

You're not getting my point.

I am not advocating for birth control and depopulation, I am advocating for the West to cut the aid to non-Western nations.

>Genetics is lottery. more children you have more likely one will survive and have extraordinary skill.

And the West is having less children than what they could have because much of their money is sent to non-Western countries to buy their food, medicine and education, and once they can, they hop into the West, further tanking the White demographics of the West.

>>3609233

And once the shit-holes stop being shit holes, they can pay back what was allocated to them.

With a very small interest.

Fair deal.

>>3609248

The West is below the replacement population fertility rate. All shit holes are above. Kinda strange when we are rich and they are poor, right? Its because we are being sucked dry, the fruits of our labor are getting diverted to shit holes so they can have 2000 kids full of aids per woman. Its not fair for us Western, its a shit deal, and it needs to change, I would rather have the USA with 7 fertility rate then Niger or Somalia or some other shit hole.

Get what my point is?

>>3609256

So we agree, for different reasons, that the West needs to stop all aid to non-Western nations.

I think you're wrong in your analysis thou, because look at their fertility rates, then look at ours.

>people are ignorant or just stupid. no other reason.

Subversion. Woman's emancipation and integration in the work force and the sexual "liberation" of "free love".

>>3609269

You can't give away shit for free.

You HAVE to get reimbursed and charge at least a slightly higher than inflation interest on that aid, otherwise its just international welfare that breed DEPENDENCY.

Basically, the West has 3 options regarding non-Western countries:

1)

We leave them 100% and they rot and die off for the most part. Win-lose, but we don't owe them shit, so not immoral.

2)

We help them, and we just drop money in there. This is what we have today and its 100% shit, full dependency.

3)

We help them, but aim at cultivating their independency. Win-win. BUT we don't owe them shit, we could go with number 1.

4)

The best in my opinion, is to help them like in 3 but make them pay us back at a rate that doesn't make them our debt-slaves (thats jewish immoral shit), but that is fair because we don't owe them nothing, and we should get compensated for our sacrifices (we used finite resources to help them that we could had used to help our poorest in our own countries).

I think the most moral option is 4.

>>3609315

You don't have to hate them, you just need to make sure you don't get fucked over by them.

Peace thru strength.

>>3609321

Why is my point racist?

Do we in the West owe anything to non-Western?

Why should Western tax payers feed them when we have so many in our nations going hungry?

You're either very immature or a shill.

>>3609352

Its a win-win but you're getting taken advantage of.

You have no moral obligation to help them at your expense when our own nations have people in need.

Resources are finite.

>>3609363

Interest is not evil per-se.

Putting a system of debt slavery in place using interest as a weapon is.

What I meant is you don't have to hate jews, you just need to take away their group power in the West so they can't subvert our nations.

>>3609366

THIS.

Thanks for articulating it, educatedanon.

>>3609368

Then its not win-win, its kindaalmostwin-win.

Read this guy here, he said it better than me: >>3609366

>>3609388

Basically yes.

Although discussing religions and races IS important to the fight we are having.

It is evil to allow the genocide of a race to happen, in this case, the White race. It is evil to allow non-compatible religious ideologies to keep subverting the West, like islam.

We don't need to terminate islam world-wide, we just need to make sure islam does not fuck with our Western nations, and we need to make sure we don't allow the White race to become a minority in its own Western home countries.

>>3609393

I think that if scarcity hits us hard in the West, that might be needed, but if we have enough surplus, we can do some enlightened self-interested charitable work via non-predatory economic development

>>3609431

>But aside from the group power, start interacting with them, and "hating" them comes naturally.

All my IRL interactions with jews have been EXTREMELY negative.

It probably does not help that they are part of a local/national criminal network that involves local cops and the most violent local drug dealers. And one of the shabboz that married on the the criminal jewesses is a far-left commie (old now) that once tried to make a bomb when he was young and almost blew is own head off (wrecked his bathroom, lol), and later he became a teacher and fucked and underage student after he was married to said jewess, which was also a teacher. Rumor has it that the jewess blackmailed the girl so she did not pressed charges.

>>3609446

I think the globalists are merely breeding the non-Westerners that are born in shit-holes so they can use them as bio-weapons, tools of demographic warfare against the West.

>>3609451

Agree 100%.

>>3609471

*that married one of the criminal jewesses

>>3609502

I am very exited to see if space colonization happens in my life time.

I would love to become a space pioneer.

>>3609502

>Also:

Space mining (optical mining, look it up, its pretty rad); hydroponic space stations.

>>3609516

>>3609539

That's a very pretty truism, but at the end of the day the people that manage our finite resources need to take decisions based on hard data.

>>3609572

Hopefully that can be fixed in a non-health-harming way.

>>3609586

Transgenderism is an awful thing. Pics related.

>>3609596

I agree with your constructive criticism on the communication style of the other anon, but keep this in mind: the JQ is not only about israel, judaism itself has many points that bear legitimate criticism and examination, and off course, not related to israel nor judaism is the issue of jewish nepotism.

I think the best way to put it is that the solution to the JQ is to remove jewish GROUP power completely in the West. It solves all those issues in a peaceful, fair and just way.

>>3609595

I think that is an unreasonable solution, and I have a feeling (intuition, not based on any hard data) the number too conservative.

>>3609626

Yep.

>>3609638

Archive: http://archive.is/Wfz8P

>>3609643

Typical jewish subversion tactics.

Solution: remove all jewish group power from the West.

>>3609694

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