>>4003191

Hey thanks for posting! Great images please post more.

I've been deeply reading Fomenko lately.

This might blow your mind, but it's actually possible that the "ancient" Egyptians weren't ancient and still thriving up unto the age of discovery.

There is a famous temple in Egypt that has a horoscope depicted therein. When you calculate the alignment it is reflecting, the best fit is from the 1400s AD!

I've been intrigued at how many Phoenician relics look downright Egyptian…. Perhaps they actually WERE the Egyptians afterall. Perhaps they didn't disappear at all. John Cabot was a Venician/Phoenician/Egyptian who claimed North America.

Now you know why USA embraces Egyptian symbols, it was claimed by them.

>>4011529

One of my main objections to the PC is that it seems so absurd that such an event happened within living human memory.

But lately I'm beginning to question our collective memory.

Why was history fabricated in the middle ages? We have literally not a single writing from before then. Absolute earliest is allegedly 800ad. Stone is nice but etchings can't be dated.

Thunderbolts goes on at length about cave art depicting the PC. I think some cave art is fake, but those that are real are far more recent than claimed. Go ahead, go PAINT on rock and come back 10,000 years later. The best painters of the renaissance, using the best materials, suffer from their works deteriorating.

So, let's argue that the PC happened. About 2000 years ago. Most of the world would be ruined. Humanity would have to live underground during the intersolar transfer (giant cave cities exist). They would write their depictions of the PC for future generations to remember.

The mythos of it would be remembered silently in pharaoh crowns. Those who know for certain this happened long for a day to return to Saturn at all costs. Maybe the Climate Change hoax is a convert means of funding technology that could sustain our atmosphere during a realignment back to saturn?

After almost 1000 years of waiting for rescue, and forgetting why they needed rescue, humanity suddenly realized it had no idea what history was, and set off to create a reasonable chronology.

This chronology is almost certainly a fraud. Now you know why.

SUMMARY 2

This is a SUMMARY, NOT NOTABLES OR ENDORSEMENTS

MISSION STATEMENT

We're going back, way back, to where this all began. Join us as we trace from the beginning to today, and identify the symbols throughout the ages and how they show the rise and fall of nations time and time again.

Diggers got Dig. Get in here!

Shills, Flat Earth Fags, please fuck off

PREVIOUS SUMMARY

>>2376768

Part 3 Version 1

NIMROD

>>2710856, >>2711453, >>2953600 - Book READ The Curse of Canaan - By Eustace Mullins

>>2003005, >>2011231 - Astarte (goddess worship) and feminist movement?

PHOENICIANS

>>2481406 - 8:40mins - Germanic Barbarians Phoenician link to Germanic tribes and Vikings. Strong Link

>>2684194 - Phoenician / Canaan DNA dig. They "Rule over the multicultural blob"

>>2622953, >>2690765 - Alternative history Mormons. David and Solomon Pharaohs (Hyksos occupation of Egypt, Seqenenre story, Orsirus, Hiram, Jesus, Etc…?)

SATURN

>>2481694 - Video Saturn could have been sun at some point in the past. The primEVIL sun. The Bull of heaven.

>>2481406 - Video Saturn the Sun. Pagan connection to holidays to Saturn. Sunday is Saturn-day. according to video. Romans and Israelis claim to be from Saturn or children of Saturn. Child sacrifice to Saturn or and El or Moloch.

MOAR SATURN, >>2482007, >>2482219, >>2482336, The cosmic wheel could be Saturn., >>2482524, Barry Knows, >>2483037, from ancient knowledge to modern popular culture.

VIDEO - From Video Holy Mountain (1973), >>2483319

VIDEO - , >>2483393, >>2483437, >>2483458, Symbols of alien sky. MOAR Saturn discussion. Long Videos TLDW

>>2484006 - Interesting connection to different light wavelengths from lights from Saturn sun.

>>2484254 - Jupiter link

>>2484361 - Saturn vs. Jupiter

>>2492331 - Saturn theory in response to Anon.

>>2496597 - Saturn related to Phoenicians and sacrifices to Moloch

FREEMASONRY

>>2483501 - Apron dig

'SIRIUS

>>2490455 - Anon claim it's Sirius not Saturn

>>2490640 - Moar Sirius

>>2490687 - Sirius linked to human trafficking - no sauce :(

Gnosis

>>2490498 - Focus more on esoteric suggests an anon.

>>2907602, >>2910975 - Hermetic Principles

>>2954276 - Sophia. The original knowledge or wisdom?

OTHERS

>>2491459 - Weaving Spiders dig - related to NWO.

>>2491652 - Ancient Aratta-Ukraine [oldest civilization?] - Alien? Cone shaped head

>>2493191 - Response to Giant question, Electric Universe, Sirius.

>>2592427 - An anon trys to summarize., >>2593288

>>2661998, >>2666691 - Baphomet digs, VIDEO

>>2592594, >>2668767, >>2668767 - Why so much war / destruction in Middle East?

>>2640552 - Video Problems with Religion. Stories

>>3030525 - Audio book. Irish Wisdom… Related to Phoenicia?

>>3684734, >>3684739 - It's all Goddess worship silly.

https://ia801903.us.archive.org/10/items/EAnatolyFomenkoHistoryFictionOrScience1/%28E%29%20Anatoly_Fomenko_History_Fiction_or_Science_1_text.pdf

>>4184378

Has anyone read this yet? If you've read this and it DOESN'T blow your mind, read it again.

Fomenko does this repeatedly. Showing how chronological reigns of kings literally match the same sequence and lengths of rules in other kingdoms later on.

Biblical Kings = Roman Kings = Byzantine Kings

What does that mean?

It means Rome never actually happened. It was a fiction, a phantom past, a reflection of Byzantine history replicated backwards through time. Not once, but many times!

Perhaps in those days, local rulers wanted to have a nice legacy to claim power from so they just copy/pasted from a rich history elsewhere. No one was smart enough to notice or care. The rulers didn't care about plagiarising, they only cared about their little chunk of the world and not about what people in 2018 would think about it.

When the enlightenment happened, all these smart idiots got confused and didn't notice that they were basically the same stories, slightly modified, over and over again. They just made a joke that "History repeats itself".

What does this have to do with Q?

Think about it.

If the Roman pagans.. the dastardly Phoenicians… weren't from 400BC but actually from 1200AD (give or take)……….

That means those ancient cults weren't ancient at all.

And it makes the claims of Freemasonry make a LOT more sense.

>>4200049

Yeah I started with this, and it was ok. Thing is, you really do need to focus when reading it. I have it on my phone and I'm abour 350 pages into it now. Things REALLY get good finally about 300 pages in.

The reason being is that Fomenko is a SERIOUS researcher. He's not a blogger. He's not a sensationalist. He's a legit academic and spends a LONG time outlining his methodology. I skipped over a lot of that.

Here's a few bookmarks from the pdf you might want to check out though, note I'm using the text page numbers not the pdfs:

Page 95: Shows how the eclipses in ancient historical texts match PERFECTLY to the conditions only in the 1200's, which means these "ancient" battles were medieval!!

Page 135: Revelations was written in 1486AD based on Astrological Zodiac precise matching.

Page 167: talks about how the books of the Prophets in the Bible actually reference the Revelation and must precede it and not predate it! WHAT-THE-FUCK

Page 238: Reviews a few ancient maps and shows that it's absurd to think these are ancient. We basically don't have maps older than 1200

Page 294: The good stuff, actual comparisons of timelines and where the replications happen.

This is about where I am so far. Just looking at this index is exciting as it shows what I'm about to read:

1. The general layout of duplicates in

w

the textbook by Scaliger-Petavius”.

The discovery of the three basic chronological shifts 320

1. The Scaligerian textbook of the ancient history glued together

four duplicates of the short original chronicle 321

1. The list of phantom “ancient” events which are phantom duplicates,

or reflections of the mediaeval originals 323

1. Identification of the “ancient” Biblical history with the mediaeval

European history 328

1. Our hypothesis: history as described in surviving chronicles only begins

in ca. the X century a.d. We know nothing of the events that took place

before the X century a.d. 333

1. Authentic history only begins in XVII century a.d.

The history of the XI-XVI century is largely distorted.

Many dates of the XI-XVI century require correction 334

1. The radical distinction of our chronological concept from the version

of N. A. Morozov 334

1. The hypothesis about the cause of the fallacious chronological

shifts in the creation of the history of antiquity 336

13.1. Chronological shift of a thousand years as the consequence

of the fallacious dating of Jesus Christ s life

Think about what this means, if all history is BULLSHIT until 1500…..

When did we discover the New World?

1500….

MAKES YOU THINK

>>4202607

You likely are just coming across this theory for the first time, haven't read a single one of his proofs, and are just shocked at the idea.

I was too.

Then I read it.

>>4202353

Well their order claims to go way back to the building of Solomons Temple and even back to the building of the Pyramids. I never took such a thing seriously because that would mean they kept intact as a coherent secret society for 3000-5000 or way more years.

https://gnosismasonry.wordpress.com/2015/11/01/how-old-is-the-square-and-compass-and-why-it-matters/

But if those events happened in the past 500-1000 years, sure. Makes sense.

The Freemasons and the Jesuits are likely the ones perpetrated the fake history.

https://ancientmistery.weebly.com/history-is-fake.html (this website seems to be a good intro to this whole rabbit hole)

I don't think the fake history was done ON PURPOSE. But it was conveniently exploited. Any real histories of the ages prior were burned as heretical in the great book burning of the middle ages.

The Catholic Church would keep a copy however, they're all in the Vatican Secret Archives.

>>3981573

>Pyramid of the Sun, Teotihuacan

The Pyramid of the Sun is the largest building in Teotihuacan, believed to have been constructed about 200 CE,[6] and one of the largest in Mesoamerica.

—-

So you're telling me these SAVAGES built a monument almost as impressive as the Great Pyramid, and it was in 200CE?

Yet the Great Pyramid was made in 2600BCE? Or some think that was just a repair job, and it was built much much earlier?

………Or was it much much more recent? Could these folks and the Egyptians and all the other similar world wide monuments be from a civilisation that flourished about the same time?

>>4289661

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Merezhkovsky

Big page, can you highlight what blew your mind?

>>4294547

I feel like I caught a wavelength just now.

As I keep reading Fomenko, who boldly states that "Jesus" existed in 1100AD, and the Crusades were launched in retaliation for his death.

That sounds SO FUCKING STUPID.

Why? Well, because if that's the case then who the hell are the Popes that are contemporary with this so called Jesus? Aren't the Popes supposed to be the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth?!

But then I think about the strange disconnect of symbolism in the ROMAN Catholic Church. So many strange symbols that don't seem biblical at all.

Then I think about the strange fact that in the olden days they actually used to call Cairo.. wait for it… BABYLON… That's right, not in Assyria, but Egypt.

So what could have happened? Let's just give Fomenko the benefit of the doubt for a second and see if this actually adds up.

Now, remember that Christ means Anointed One, so Jesus being a Christ doesn't mean the Popes are the Vicar of JESUS. At least back then.

So, what religion were the Popes ruling, and still perhaps do to this day? Could it be… Babylonian? Could it be… 'ancient' Egyptian? Were the Popes essentially Vicars for the Egyptian Religion, likely Osiris? Whoa.

Well, what the fuck then?

So, the reason Fomenko thinks this has to be the case is because he's DISCOVERED, and let me tell you it's actually VERY HARD to dispute him on this, that History has replicated itself "literally" pastwards several times. The patriarch Kings and Judges of the Old Testament chronicle parallel exactly to the dynasties that are recorded in the XI to XVI centuries. If that's true, and it honestly PROBABLY IS TRUE, then that means the Old Testament would have HAD to be a late invention, less than a thousand years, and much less probably.

So how does the Vatican go from worshipping Egyptian gods to worshipping the Jewish Christ instead?

What happened in the 1500's?

Jesuits

What happened in the 1500's?

Rebirth (Renaissance)

What happened in the 1500's?

Reformation

Somehow, either by accident or on purpose (likely ON PURPOSE), the Bible was compiled into one book and was confused for history. This lead to people like Martin Luther thinking, "Dude, WTF? You guys aint biblical at all!".. and of course, they weren't and never were!

But as this weird book called the Bible got translated into more languages, the Vatican had no choice but to pretend it's the true religion of that book, and slyly adopted it wholesale.

Hence the mass book burning of heretical literature. Were they burning all the Egyptian heresies?

Hence the inquisitions. Were the burning all the people who were smart enough to know the fraud they were perpetuating?

This means that the ancient cults aren't ancient, in fact very recent, and are still very active. It explains why the Vatican is a front for a secret evil cult. They never gave up their old ways, just publicly masked it in Christianity.

They did such a good job at this, you probably think I'm bat shit insane for even writing these letters in the first place.

>>4296713

I think we can finally officially say that FLAT EARTH is not part of Q Research.

You want to discuss that, go somewhere else as it has nothing to do with Q

>>4296014

>>4301904

So we can just ignore everything that Q says, right?

Where'd all the Historyfags go? Come on, let's keep digging I feel we're so close.

http://eden-saga.com/en/recentism-fomenko-middle-ages-gone-christ-invention-consequence-great-plague-xiv-century.html

The baptistery in Ravenna

Some may object to me that there are many proofs of the existence of Jesus, all over Europe since the Middle Ages and the introduction of Christianity in Europe. Would that stained glass, mosaics, frescoes and sculptures of the cathedrals representing Christ.

Well this is not so sure. The windows are never earlier in the 13th century, we know very little, and if some well represent Christ, he could be Imperator Constantine disguised as a penitent, wearing the Mithras robe as he liked to show the obverse of his coins.

Before the 14th century, if we find in fact representations of Christ, the name of Jesus and his Biblical identity are never mentioned. For then Christ was not Jesus but the Roman Emperor Constantine dressed like Mithras.

baptistere-de-ravenne-bapteme-jesus-688po

And then came the case of the Baptistery in Ravenna. A dear friend sent me the photo above. And then I pulled the mug. I think my friend did not realize the scope of this photo. I saw evidence that, suddenly, ruining the beautiful theory of the missing centuries. Indeed, the baptistery is dated 6th century, so as Fomenko prior to Jesus’ invention. Yet the mosaic really represents Jesus Christ with John the Baptist, no problem: that Christ then is absolutely not Constantine.

This mosaic by itself shattered the thesis of Jesus invented in the 14th century. One can imagine how it made me shit. So I thought taratata! look see!

Well took me. Wikipedia tells me that: “The Arian Baptistery was located near the church of the Holy Spirit also built by Theodoric and originally named Hagia Anastasis (Holy Resurrection) This church, Arian cathedral was re-consecrated as. Catholic cathedral under the invocation of St. Theodore (soldier and martyr of Amasea in Porto) in 526. very little remains of the original building since its reconstruction in 1543 “.

Rebuilt in 1543, the mosaic is from the 16th century: it is no longer opposed to the hypothesis of a Jesus invented only in the 14th century. The hack is as it were proven … But if a previous baptism in the 14th century were to be discovered, not panic, nothing proves whether Jesus invented. This is the baptism of Mithra – Esus among the Celts. Bloody schemers! They really thought of everything. Well no, actually. They laid a lot of blunders.

Comparative Mythology: Jesus, Mithras and Osiris

I'm starting to zero in on Mithras, I think there's a huge clue here.

They have the timeline mixed up. Mithras was in vogue all the way up to what we call 1100AD. Then the cult of Jesus grew via the Crusades. By 1400, after the plague, the Catholic Church switched to worshipping Jesus instead of Mithras and the history of their prior worship was burned at the stake, either through the inquisition or book burning.

They forgot to modify all their symbols though.

Their Symbols will be their Downfall.

By the way, I was only introduced to this idea of phantom time because of the previous threads. It was a radical and absurd idea before, but the more I think about it, the more it explains everything. Before that, all these ancient religions playing off each other was just a weird and unexplainable coincidence. It's such a mind fuck that I've only recently come to terms with the rationality of it, so conveying it to other people is almost certain to make you look insane. It's almost certain to make Christians VERY angry to hear it hasn't even been 1000 years of "The Year of our Lord".

Except, from my perspective.. I lost faith in Christianity a long time ago because of all sorts of historical anomalies that were poorly explained. Strangely, the possibility that "Jesus" was actually in 1150 AD and the Crusades were launched as a revenge for his death. If this is based on actual truth, then this truth would have HAD to be known BEFORE Jesus with legitimate religions (otherwise God dooms everyone before Jesus?). So, Osiris to Mithras to (maybe) the legit incarnation of this deity in Jesus in 1150 is actually a reasonable progression.

Intense social, political, and economic strife gave the universal church vast power in the 1400's and finally led them to finally accept that Jesus was Mithras/Osiris and adopted their practices to worship him and finally canonised the Bible (most of which was written after 1100ad).

Sun Worship ☼ December 25th - Mithraism - Osiris

>>4347199

While watching this, translate whenever he says "the Church incorporated [this xyz paganism]" into "the Church already had [xyz], but purposed it for the new Jesus narrative". It makes way more sense. The practices weren't "adopted", they were there to begin with, Jesus was actually adopted into this religion and all the symbols had to be adjusted to coincide.

For the sake of balance I'll post this guy who tries to debunk the Mithras/Jesus connection. I feel like he's a bit too smug and dismissive and has the typical "Youtube" patronising voice, but at the same time I do feel like he did dive into the research so it's definitely good food for thought.

>>4347764

As I love reading comments to find folks brutalizing the video in question, here is a rather fascinating one I came across:

criztu

2 months ago

​@Marcel Costache Mitra is Demetra (Demeter)

"Roman" meant "member of the city", that is, of the city of God (Saturn). Being a Roman was a religious concept, by which the rulers considered themselves of divine origin - think "blue blood", and those they ruled over, as mere cattle.

The "Romans" arrived in Italy migrating from the Carpathians. To understand this migration, read Dudo of St.Quentin's Gesta Normannorum. The European civilization - from civis (member of the city) - originates in the lands between Caucasus and Carpathians - what we know as Dacia and Scythia. The "Romans" were pushed out of the father land, in a rather brutal social custom, by which excess males were expelled, forced to live as wolves, preying on other groups, to avoid conflict with their own keen.

Thus, the Romans were merely a mark (state) of the civilization in Dacia-Scythia, with Dacia being the metropolis. This civilization is what the academia calls "Iranic peoples". To get an idea what these Iranic people really were, compare the Romanian words "stana" (a shepherd's estate) with the Iranian word 'stana' (state). Also 'cioban' (shepherd) and 'stapan' and 'jupan' (lord) with Iranian 'cupan'. Of the "Iranic" empire that thrived in Dacia-Scythia, you can read in detail in V.Parvan's works. I'll just add that in Dacia there were the settlements of Sacidava, Sagadava and Sucideva, that document the name Saca (Scythians).

The Sacas (Scythians) are considered the ancestors of the Saxons. That is Saxon is a rendering of Sacasons - sons of Saca. Which Saca is the same thing as Isaac in the Bible. Isaac is the son of Abraham, who is the son of Trac (tav-resh-chet). see William Camden - 'Britannia' (1600) and Sharon Turner - 'The History of the Anglo-Saxons' (1775) and there's more dudes writing about this. I would just add, that you have the so called Sagudati, a "Slavic" tribe, haha, whose name is Saca+Daci. you can find countless maps of Dacia, named Datia.

The conclusion I'd like to point you to, is that:

1. we are currently captives in a nationalist ideology, which is incompatible with the past. That is, there were no "Persians" and "Greeks" and "Romans" and "Dacians". Mithras was not a "Persian" god, Dionysus was not a "Greek" god. To understand this, think of cars or rockets: a Ford is not an "American" car. Soyuz is not a "Soviet" rocket.

2. Christianity is the creation of these "Iranic people" who had a crucial upper hand over all others, in those times: the technology of iron.

3. Israel is the son of Isaac. That means that what we call "Jews" or "Israelites" are merely offspring of the Saca (Scythians), installed as elites over the Semitic peoples in Arabia. To understand the concept of Royal Bloodlines ruling over the nations, look for the origin of the Royal Houses of Europe in 1910. All Royal Houses of Europe, are from Holy Roman Empire, that is, they are Saxons. The kings and queens of England, are from the House of Saxa Gotha Coburg. The czars of Russia were from the House of Holstein Gottorp. The kings of France were from the Capet house, from Holy Roman Empire.

ax yourself: how come a "German" power structure, called itself "Roman"?

true knowledge is very difficult, and you may reject what I shared to you here. but it's ok. Revelation 21:16

Watch at about 45min in

Or watch the whole thing, these guys are great

>>4373605

I'm intrigued by the Mormon claim that Jesus went to America.

I'm on a Fomenko kick right now so I apologise if that turns anyone off, but if we grant his hypothesis that Jesus was actually killed in 1150ad, then it's very possible that he actually just jumped on a ship and went to the new world.

The "church" knew about the New World, they had a Bishop of Vinland in 1121ad.

Absurd claims start to become more feasible if you remove the middle ages.

>>4461887

I finally have a chance to answer, sorry for the delay and I hope you're still around.

No, not at all. In fact, Fomenko actually gives a more reasonable timeline for Jesus and many of the "skeptic" and "atheist" arguments against a Historical Jesus become moot if Jesus was actually from the "1150's". It's hard to wrap our heads around this statement, because it's ridiculous, since we count from the Nativity to begin with. Saying Jesus was born in 1150ad is saying "Jesus was born 1150 years after Jesus was born", waaa?

So that's not what Fomenko is saying. Fomenko is saying is that chronologists fucked up pretty bad, and big, and possibly on purpose. What if Jesus wasn't 2000 years ago? What if Jesus walked the earth less than 1000 years ago?

WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN?

What if the ancient cults of yore aren't ancient, and in fact very recent?

What if the original "Universal Church" was actually a Church of these ancient cults and not "christian" at all. What if the money lenders tables and the den of thieves that Jesus overturned was actually the Catholic Church of that day that was likely engaged in Dionysus worship?

What would you do if you were an ancient Church that ruled based on the ignorance of your sheep, but now that the printing press is allowing translations into the local languages, you're going to be exposed as the cult you are? How would you go underground?

Step 1. Stop doing the practice in the open.

Step 2. Burn books that talk about your practices and declare them to be heretical and totally not official, wink wink.

Step 3. Burn people who remember the truth.

Step 4. Enter the Jesuits who take over the education systems

Step 5. Push history backwards, make the vices of yesterday into the folly of yesteryear.

Step 6. Continue to practice your evil cult stuff in secret.

Think about how much fake news we see everyday that's rewriting history that literally happened a week ago! How they're writing their version of history that paints Trump as a monster. It's so apparent every single day.

Now imagine this on a grander scale.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around it all. It's so mind blowing. Consider this, that if Fomenko is right in that the "Old" Testament was written AFTER the "New", then who the fuck are the Jews? He makes some very compelling cases that this has to be the case. Either we have to accept that the prophets of the "old" were truly prophets, or… they were written afterwards and were actually quoting the gospels and "Revelations" directly.

It's frustrating because no one has SERIOUSLY challenged Fomenko on any of this. They just mock him and roll their eyes. I'm 500 pages into his first book (of seven), and I can't argue with his logic on many of his points.

One skeptic said "If Jesus is Pope Hildebrande, then how come Hildebrande died of old age?!"… That's not at all what Fomenko is saying. He says that the ancient past are phantom images of the more recent past, but they're not perfect copies. There will be variation in the stories. It's the telephone game scaled up monstrously.

Really puts into question the idea of the reformation.. the re-form-ation. Could Christianity as we know it have been finally canonised only 500 years ago?

>>4461990

My current line of thinking is all relgiions don't have it right. That all religions are corrupted. God doesn't need a book to talk to anyone, and he certainly doesn't need your help to kill anyone, or judge anyone.

Religious writings are philosophical/theological musings of Mankind. When they become dogmatic, they become dangerous. When they masquerade as science, they become dangerous.

So really, I find their end game to be rather egotistical to an extreme. I don't think I can relate to that notion. However, I do think the notion of all religion is to become divine.

Holy means separate.

Religion means relink.

God is Holy because he's separated from us and we need to relink to the divine and become whole again.

This doesn't mean becoming a God, but realising you are God merely viewing your own creation from a limited perspective.

This is what the mystics have told us forever and seeds of this idea are inside literally every single religion that exists. What differs is merely HOW to achieve this goal.

>>4589191

https://archive.org/stream/AnatolyFomenkoBooks/History-FictionOrScienceByAnatolyFomenkoVol.1#page/n435/mode/2up

>>4612217

>https://pastebin.com/cFa6x8M8

CHANGING THE BIBLE THROUGH REVISIONS OF KEY WORDS

In order to do this, the Bible will be changed. It will be rewritten to fit the new religion. Gradually, key words will be replaced with new words having various shades of meaning. Then the meaning attached to the new word can be close to the old word - and as time goes on, other shades of meaning of that word can be emphasized. and then gradually that word replaced with another word." I don't know if I'm making that clear. But the idea is that everything in Scripture need not be rewritten, just key words replaced by other words. And the variability in meaning attached to any word can be used as a tool to change the entire meaning of Scripture, and therefore make it acceptable to this new religion. Most people won't know the difference; and this was another one of the times where he said, "the few who do notice the difference won't be enough to matter."

—–

306

Q

!ITPb.qbhqo

9 Dec 2017 - 11:12:19 AM

News unlocks map.

Future proves past.

Why was the Lord's prayer posted?

Which version?

Why is this relevant?

What just came out re: the Lord's prayer?

What can be connected?

Do you believe in coincidences?

Re-review the map post relevant news drops.

Godfather III.

Q

There's a reason why women weren't allowed in the sciences, etc., until only recently. It's because the male fraternities such as the Illuminati and Freemasons and Jesuits were all exclusively male. They simply couldn't trust any women to go along with "The Big Lie"

>>4700405

Some say it's a medieval forgery. Some say it's really Jesus. Some say it's both medieval AND really Jesus.

>>4701671

My take is that the only women who would be allowed on the inside would be high ranking occultists. We'd think of them as witches. Think Helena Blavatsky of Theosophy, basically the female Aleister Crowley.

>>4716095

>>4715963

>>4715954

>>4716853

That back to the future picture is amazing. There's NO REASON they had to have that there, considering the whole town was a set.

>>4716853

Brotherhood of Man

Motörhead

Now, your time has come, a storm of iron in the sky

War and murder come again, lucky if you die

No way to rescue destiny, scream and curse in vain

You will never be remembered, no-one knows your name

When the music changes then all is broken down

Mighty cities laid to ruin, burning to the ground

Murder is become the law; you cannot make a stand

Chaos rules the world, now mortal, brotherhood of man

You cannot hide the truth from me, I know what's in your heart

Greed and jealousy, each equal, all your days now dark

Mighty mountains fall in dust, the world falls into Hell

Faith in lying prophets, no-one to lift the spell

Monsters rule your world, are you too scared to understand?

You shall be forever judged and you shall surely hang

We live and scrape in misery; we die by our own hand

And still we murder our own children, brotherhood of man

Blood on all our hands, we cannot hope to wash them clean

History is mystery, do you know what it means?

Slaughter, kill and fighting still and murdered where we stand

Our legacy is lunacy, brotherhood of man

We are worse than animals, we hunger for the kill

We put our faith in maniacs, the triumph of the will

We kill for money, wealth and lust, for this we should be damned

We are disease upon the world, brotherhood of man

Brotherhood Of Man

John Larroquette

You see, Wally, even though we're all apart of this cold, corporate setup,

Deep down, under our skins, there's flesh and blood,

But we're all brothers.

Now you may join the Elks, my friend,

And I may join the Shriners,

And other men may carry cards as members of the Diner's.

Still others wear a golden key or small Greek letter pin.

But I have learned there's one great club

that all of us are in.

There is a

brotherhood of man.

A benevolent brotherhood of man!

A noble tie that binds all human hearts and minds

Into one brotherhood of man.

Your lifelong membership is free;

Keep agivin' each brother all you can.

Oh, aren't you proud to be in that fraternity?

The great big brotherhood of man!

So, Wally, I want you to remember that before you consider firing Mr. Bigley.

Whoa, whoa, who's considering THAT?!

You see, Wally, I know what's on your mind-

You'd like to clear out the whole crowd from top to bottom!

That's the obvious move!

But STOP, and think

One man may seem incompetent, another not make sense,

While others look like quite a waste of company expense.

They need a brother's leadership,

So please don't do them in.

Remember: mediocraty

Is not a mortal sin.

There (We're)

In (in)

The (the)

Brotherhood of man.

Dedicated to giving all we can!

Oh, aren't you proud to be in that fraternity?

The great big brotherhood of man!

No kidding!

Is there really a brotherhood (Yes, you're a brother!)

of man? (You are a brother!)

A benevolent brotherhood of man? (Oh, yes, sir, yes!)

A noble tie that binds all human hearts and minds

Into one brotherhood of man?

Your lifelong membership is free;

Keep agivin' each brother all you can.

Oh, aren't you proud to be in that fraternity,

the great big Brotherhood of Man?

Ohhhh, that noble feeling

feels like bells are pealing!

Down with double-dealing

Ohhhh, brother!

You, you've got me!

Me, I've got you!

You!

Ohh, that noble feeling

Feels like bells are pealing!

Down with double-dealing

Ohhh, brother!

You, you've got me!

Me, I've got you!

You!

Ohhh, that noble feeling,

Feels like bells are pealing!

Down with double-dealing,

Ohhh, brother!

You, you've got me!

Me, I've got you!

You!

Your lifelong membership is free;

Keep agivin' each brother all you can.

Oh, aren't you glad to be in that fraternity?

The great big brotherhood of man!

Man!

Mannn!

>>4750936

https://variety.com/2015/film/news/back-to-the-future-donald-trump-biff-1201623760/

“Back to the Future” screenwriter Bob Gale has revealed that Donald Trump was the inspiration for Marty McFly’s arch nemesis Biff Tannen.

The revelation comes as part of a slew of nostalgic retrospectives on “Back to the Future Part II,” in which McFly (Michael J. Fox) and Doc Brown (Christopher Lloyd) travel to Oct. 21, 2015. Gale spoke to the Daily Beast about the similarities between Biff and Trump.

“We thought about it when we made the movie! Are you kidding?” Gale told the outlet when asked if he noticed Biff’s resemblance to Trump. “You watch ‘Part II’ again and there’s a scene where Marty confronts Biff in his office and there’s a huge portrait of Biff on the wall behind Biff, and there’s one moment where Biff kind of stands up and he takes exactly the same pose as the portrait? Yeah.”

“Part II” sees Tannen (played by Thomas F. Wilson) build a 27-story casino and gain political sway, which he uses to take over Hill Valley, Calif., where he insists on being called “America’s greatest living folk hero.”

Director Robert Zemeckis declared on Wednesday that there would be no additional “Back to the Future” films made.

“It is a well-made trilogy, and will stay that way,” he said.

The WW1 Conspiracy

MUST WATCH

Pt 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclAbWvBt70

Pt 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5kWX7rYuU

Pt 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzVd7XCTu28

>>4752251

Have you seen this? There's 8 other long videos just like it.. This guy is incredible

>>4752453

>Hittites

1. The nation of Heta or the Cossack Goths. Russia, or the Horde, in Egyptian texts found upon Egyptian monuments.

1.1. The Hitians, ot the Mongols.

Brugsch begins his account of the XIX dynasty with the description of Hita or Heta, a great nation - the Goths, as we are beginning to realise, or the Russians.

However, it is possible that Brugsch himself suspected the blood relations of the Hita nation and the “Mongols”, without realising just how correct he was really. This is what G. K. Vlastov tells us about this matter: “Brugsch was referring to the Hiksos dynasty and the Hita (or the Heta), especially the latter, whom he suspects of having Mongolian blood, as we shall see later on ([99], page 75).

In Greek, Megalion means “The Great”, which once again identifies the Hittites (or the Goths) as the “Mongols”.

Apparently, Egyptian sources are referring to the history of relations between the Ottoman = Ataman Empire, or Russia (the Horde) of the XIV-XVI century. The Pharaohs are the Ottoman = Ataman Sultans, and the nations of the Heta nations are the Great Princes of Russia, also known as the “Mongolian” Great Khans.

As we already mentioned in in CHRON1, Chapter 7:7.3, according to Scaligerian history, the Hittites were “discovered in Asia Minor” as late as in 1880. Professor Archibald Sayes (and then William Wright) suggested to consider the land to the North of Palestine the “land of the ancient Hittites” ([291], page 21), basing their suggestion on the Bible and being certain that the Biblical “promised land” was located in the modern Palestine and not anywhere else. After that, some of the archaeological findings made here were attributed to “those very Hittites”.

N. A. Morozov wrote: <<Edward Meier believed that the Hittites were one of the ‘primary ethnic groups in Asia Minor’. He believes that their culture left behind the reliefs with lengthy noses, pointed hats and shoes with toes pointing upwards. But what made him identify these figures in such a manner? . . . The most interesting local emblems are as follows: the winged solar disc and the snakes similar to the Egyptian ones. Apart from those, we have the bicephalous eagle of the Byzantine kind, a two-sided axe and winged gods, clearly prototypes of the cherubs . . .

However, another discovery was made recently, which was thoroughly amazing . . . A study of the burial mounds in the Southern Russia yielded a number of similar findings. Thus, in the burial mound of the Chertomlytskaya Queen in the Kuban region of Russia archaeologists found a pointed hat of the Hittite sort. The nation that created such objects lived in the Maikop region, while in the Kiev province researchers discovered a bronze belt “doubtlessly” identifiable as belonging to a culture closely related to that of the Hittites. See G. I. Borovka, “Female Head-dresses of the Chertomlytskiy Burial Mound”, Courier of the Material Culture History Academy, 1921.

G. I. Borovka says the following in this respect: “The influence of the Hittite culture was still great enough to manifest for a long time and on a great distance . . . after the nation and the culture that created it had long perished” (2100 years later!) (as Morozov points out – Auth.).

Indeed, how can we withhold from being amazed at such great influence of the Hittite culture?>([544], Volume 6, page 1053).

http://chronologia.org/en/seven5/empire17_01.html

>>4752569

You're on the right track. I started with the bicephalous eagle almost a year ago and it led me down a rabbit hole that surfaced in Russia, aka Grand Tartaria. Which then led me to a fascinating guy, still living, named Antony Fomenko, who says that History is a verifiable lie and goes on for seven THICK volumes verifying his hypothesis. The maps and names and everything are all mixed up.

It's ABSURD at first to think that the Bible was written in the Middle Ages, that the New Testiment HAD to have been written before the "old". But then he shows you EXACTLY why this is the case.

For example, he proves that the ancient dynasties of the Roman Empire match almost perfectly the dynasties of the kings/judges of Judea in Kings/Chronicles, and further match almost perfectly the dynasties of Medieval Byzantine (which must be the original). Therefore, since Rome and Judea are phantom copies of the middle age Constantinople, they MUST be inventions of that age. Period.

How does he do this? Statistical analysis. He does this on many fronts. First, chronologically list the length of reign for each king. Amazing, isn't it, how each king's reign is the same, reign after reign, when you compare the 2nd Roman Empire/3rd Roman Empire/Judea/Byzantinum. Sloppy! Obvious! Second, collect 'indicators' within their reigns, such as a volcano exploding, revolution, death by poisoning, etcs, and score points for each ruler that exhibits these various characteristics. You'll be amazed to find that not only do the length of reigns match, but those that match also have a match on the characteristics scores. I should make it explicitly clear that of course they don't match 100%, they obviously have different Names and locations etcs, but the fact that they match so fucking close is impossible to ignore.

Third, he shows through computer analysis that "ancient" eclipses that have been described can ONLY match eclipses that occurred in the middle ages.

>>4752699

Have you considered Fomenko or heard of him? I'd be interested to hear you're taking on his thoughts on Ottomans as he has some pretty solid statistical research baking his claims. Note that if you "studied" history, you're studying Scalagerian history which is almost certainly a cabal lie.

See my post below yours, as you can't read the link I dropped unless you understand the context that Fomenko is literally saying we DONT know a THING about ANYTHING before 1500ad, and absolutely nothing before 1000ad

PS. I hope I dont offend by offering this perspective which I'm more and more thinking is true after studying many old maps, there is a LOT of confusion of what was what and where was where back then. We did NOT have google maps, no databases, and every nation was an island unto itself with very little communication or knowledge of what lies beyond.

>>4752866

Really? That's fucking fantastic then. There are aspects of Fomenko that blew my mind that you might be able to help either verify or dispel, I dont have time to type them up at this very moment though.

An example of reigns and actions coinciding pretty closely:

5a. Gnaeus Pompey Magnus , the organizer of the first triumvirate.

5b. Diocletian The Divine , the organizer of the first tetrarchy.

5.1a. Second Empire. After the strife 70 b.c. the power passes into the hands of the Emperor

Pompey the same year. He enjoys a splendorous triumph and becomes honoured with the

consul’s title ([660], Volume 2, page 338). The period of Pompey’s reign is known as the

epoch of Pompeys Principate ([767], Volume 1, Chapter XI). For Pompey, the situation with his

imperial title is similar to Sulla’s. Although contemporary historians do not consider Pompey

to have been “an actual emperor”, Plutarch uses the title to refer to him without any hesitation

whatsoever, qv in [660], Volume 2, page 338. There are also numerous ancient inscriptions

in existence that call Pompey emperor without any double-talk at all ([873], page 91, No. 34).

5.1 b. Third Empire. After the strife of 284 a.d.,

Diocletian is crowned emperor ([76]). With Diocletian coming to power, “a new epoch begins in the history of the Roman Empire - The Epoch of Dominate" ([327], page 413).

5.2 a. Second Empire. Pompey is one of the most famous rulers in the history of Rome. He accomplishes large-scale democratic reforms, in particular, the reformation of the court and the troops ([327], page 277). Pompey was declared divine in his lifetime ([767], Volume 1, p. 279).

5.2 b. Third Empire. Diocletian is one of the most eminent rulers in Roman history and the initiator of several important democratic reforms. He reforms the court as well as the military bodies; he is also the author of a monetary reform ([767], Volume 2, page 649 etc). Diocletian was also deified in his lifetime ([327], pages 422-424).

5.3a. Second Empire. In the alleged year 49 b.c., the Roman senate strips Pompey of all his powers. This marks the end of Pompey s reign; he dies in several years.

5.3 b. Third Empire. In the alleged year 305 a.d., Diocletian abdicates, which marks the end of his reign ([327], page 424). He dies a few years after that.

5.4a. Second Empire. Pompey ruled for 21 years: 70-49 b.c. ([76]).

5.4b. Third Empire. Diocletian ruled for 21 years: 284-305 a.d. The reign durations coincide.

How can someone read that and think that these two weren't duplicates?!

>>4752971

>When this pizzagate blew up, it drove me nuts. I always had pieces of the puzzle of the illuminati in my hands but i never put them together and some didn't make much sense to me. But when that damn woman ran for president and everything started unraveling, i just waited for my time to come out and talk.

Funny you say that. Before Trump ran, I gave up on "conspiracy theories" completely. Since 2008 I stayed far away from "woo town".

But once Trump ran.. won.. and now Q.. I've come full circle and am digging deeper than I ever have before!

>>4754296

You wrote a Thesis on Greek Authors eh? Then this part might particularily interest you:

https://archive.org/stream/AnatolyFomenkoBooks/History-FictionOrScienceByAnatolyFomenkoVol.1#page/n455/mode/2up

Use the left/right page arrows on the bottom, start on the 5. header on the right.

Basically, Fomenko makes the case that Ancient Greece has ZERO archaeological support. Which, as an archaeologist yourself, you'll probably think is ludicrous. Or, perhaps you'll find it fascinating.

By the way, in case you're wondering why I'm thinking Fomenko is even relevant.. is because it closes the gap. When I first saw a Sumerian double headed eagle I thought holy shit.. this has been going on for THOUSANDS of years! Maybe it's only been going on for HUNDREDS. That actually makes more sense. Stretching out history makes the elite seem more ancient and own a mandate of history to certain lands. Stretching out history also obfuscates dark cults, as if the "mystery schools" are a long lost extinct past, not some very recent and still active cult.

I started this thread almost a year ago when I noticed that Viking ships looked JUST like Phoenician ships. I got a bit discouraged however since there was a 1000 year gap between the cultures. But, if Fomenko is right, and he might be, then there was no gap. Interestingly, Fomenko also says that the Phoenicians were the Venetians and has VERY STRONG evidence for this besides just a phonetic similarity.

>>4754520

No worries! either way, if you're into archeology you might be interested then to know that Athens and Rome were only ever built in the middle ages!!! Would love you to read it sometime and give me your thoughts on the matter

He also dedicates an entire chapter in his first book to Archeology and how its dating methods rely on assumptions to traditional chronology.

9.1a. Second Empire. After the death of Julius Caesar,

the nineteen-year-old Octavian, adopted by

Caesar and supported by his troops, claims the

throne for himselfand soon attains it. In doing

so, he relies on the Roman legions that he was

tremendously popular with.

9.1 b. Third Empire. After the death of Constantius

I Chlorus, allegedly in 306 a.d., the twenty-

year-old Constantine, son of Constantius I

Chlorus, is appointed the Caesar of the

West. It is the support of his troops that

earned Constantine the title of Caesar.

10.1 a. Second Empire. In the sea battle ofAccium,

Octavian Augustus defeats Antony, his

last enemy, completely. With this victory,

"the period of civil wars in the history of

Rome ends" ([327], page 259). Octavian

Augustus is one of the most widely known

emperors ofRome in its entire history. First

name, Caius.

.1b. Third Empire. In the sea battle ofAdriano-

polis, Constantine I finally defeats Licinius,

his last competitor. This victory marks the

end of the civil war epoch in the alleged

III century a.d. ([327], page 429). Constan-

tine I Augustus is one of the mostfamous

rulers in the history of Rome. First name,

Caius. The names of the doubles coincide.

10.2a. Second Empire. Antony, defeated by Octavian,

had been his closefriend and co-ruler initially,

subsequently having become Octavian's worst

enemy. Before his coronation, Octavian had

served in the troops in the East.

10.2b. Third Empire. Defeated by Constantine I,

Licinius, who had earlier been his compan-

ion-in-arms and co-ruler, later became

Constantine's enemy. Before his corona-

tion, Constantine I had served in the

troops in the East.

AUGUSTUS CEASAR IS THE EXACT SAME CHARACTER AS CONSTANTINE THE GREAT

>>4756556

One thousand years ago we all lived in a small colony called Atlantis/Eden. Humans are from elsewhere. Some act of hubris managed to blow the thing up and our species had to leave the garden.

We fucked up but we knew our spaceships would one day relink back to us. However, given the issues of space travel, help would take CENTURIES. What to do while we wait?

Here we are stranded on this rock, lost all our good technology and need to survive for generations to be rescued! We tried to remember how we got here, but the message was oral and got distorted over time. After enough generations, very few knew the truth and kept the knowledge of ancient science and technology, hoping for a day when the world will be organized enough to actually rebuild it. This is what the highest levels of the secret societies know.

As the population grew larger they realized they (the bloodlines that kept the sacred memory) can't keep everyone ignorant forever, people are asking questions. So they invented answers. They extended our history to 10000BC. They said we evolved 200000 years ago. Apparently we sat around with thumbs up our assets for 190000 years! They build churches and schools and governments. They let us vote, knowing we would vote according to our educations.

They had a nickname for America. New Atlantis. This land was to be the launch pad back to the stars where humanity would finally reclaim its place in the heavens.

We are not alone though. Many other species are observing and interfering. Some even breed us for intergalactic slavery (North Korea).

Now you know why Trump is demanding a Space Force.

>>4762304

I was spinning off what "afe914" was writing about combining all the research threads together so I thought I'd give my spin on it. So please, it's just a fun idea based on various strands of research I've been looking at lately. Maybe it's true!?

It's all Q Based though.

For example, the way Q talks about NK being a garden similar to the Matrix and how the Matrix isn't just a movie.

Anyway, I posted this in the general thread as well and got some interesting responses. One asked me about the notion of why life on earth, and humans, seem to be related to each other. Again, I'm having fun with the idea so my spin on it is that Noah's Ark was actually a genetics lab that was able to modify the body of a species on Earth to allow a "human soul" to inhabit it properly.

Think of it like this, if we go to the stars, eventually humanity will evolve so much that we wont even look like humans anymore. If that's the case, who cares about this meat machine we're currently in? Especially if these people KNOW that a SOUL is a real thing (maybe?), therefore you can make a host in each environment/planet you inhabit and then make it a fertile ground for Souls to go to.

This is the basis of the Demiurge myth in Gnositicism.

This is also the idea of what Paul wrote about and Jesus said.

Jesus, in this scenario, would have been an "alien" who came to reveal to us that we're actually not of this earth either.

(I'm not saying I really believe this, again, I'm just having fun with ideas)

>>4762284

You need to read this more carefully. I'm not saying this just because they have similar names. First of all, this is direct quotes from Fomenko who is an undesputed mathematical genius who employes an entire team of tenured researchers to dig into this angle of historical research. He's not just some random blogger, this is serious academic stuff.

I'm well aware that "Augustus" and "Caesar" are TITLES not names.

But read it carefully, this analysis actually goes on MUCH longer than what I posted. But look at the sea battle. Octavian beats Antonty at sea / Constantine beats Licinius at sea. Both these battles were decisive moments which made these emperors the sole rulers and made them the most famous rulers of Rome.

I can show you dozens more parallels that defy coincidence.

I ask you to think wider. Think about how (((they))) have distorted and controlled the 9/11 History. Think even nearer, and how they're trying to twist history right now about Russia and Trump. These people are not to be trusted, and they've been writing the history books for hundreds if not thousands of years. Some have traced this all the way back to the origin of the Royal Society in England during Elizabeth's reign.

"We are of the thirty-three elements of the cosmic ruler of the darkness."

http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/key-of-solomon.php

(just saw this on the general thread, stealing it for here)

This guy does a pretty good job highlighting some of Fomenko's points

>>4778297

>>4782264

BIG NOTE: this guy is NOT Fomenko just some random dude that likes him and decided to vlog about it. Fomenko has absolutely no affiliation with Alex Jones or Corsi

>>4782264

From his Chronology 1:

The localization of the “ancient” states mentioned in the Bible also raises a vast number of questions. The Bible often mentions the Phoenician towns of Tyre and Sidon; since we now allow for possibilities of mediaeval interpretations of many Biblical names, one cannot fail to notice the similarities between the names of Venetia and Phoenicia - they may well be the same name if we consider the usual rules of flex- ion. One comes up with the hypothesis of localizing the Biblical Phoenicia as the mediaeval Venice.

Indeed, the Bible describes the “ancient” Phoenicia as a powerful nation of seafarers that reigned over the entire Mediterranean, with colonies in Sicily, Spain, and Africa. “Ancient” Phoenicians traded extensively with faraway lands, as can be seen in the book of Ezekiel, chapter 27. All of these Biblical criteria are met by the mediaeval Venetian republic, a well-known and powerful state.

The Scaligerian history claims the principal Phoenician towns to have been the modern Tyre and Sidon (Saida). Do these towns fit their Biblical descriptions of lavishness and splendour? A XIX century volume of sailing directions for seamen tells us the following about Saida: “The town had 1600 inhabitants in 1818… There is a small bay to the south. . . A small pier that is barely visible in our day used to belong to a small harbour that is now completely covered by the sands. . . Plague often rages fiercely here. . . One finds no traces of for- mer splendour in Saida nowadays. . . There’s a reef on the south end, and it’s very shallow in the north. . . The depth between the town and the island is uneven… The passage is narrow, and the bottom is full of stones. A large ship’s boat cannot come close to the shore, which makes it impossible to replenish water supply here”.

The town is located in the estuary of a river that isn’t navigable by ships. Its main means of survival in the XIX century had been the local gardens. Strategically speaking, Saida’s location is perfectly hopeless. It used to belong to virtually everyone during the crusades epoch; there are no records mentioning it as a large independent trade centre. All of this contradicts the Biblical descriptions of the greatness of Sidon and Phoenicia. The situation with Tyre is similar. Evidently, the Bible is referring to other locations.

https://ia601300.us.archive.org/1/items/AnatolyFomenkoBooks/History-FictionOrScienceByAnatolyFomenkoVol.1_text.pdf

>>4782264

>Really? Did this Fomenko ever set foot there? I bet not. And saying that the poor poeple living there are rats living in that cirty rat hole is cabal jargon, this is what they do, remember what i said about the term "third world countries". who invented that?

Don't attack Fomenko, he never said it was a rat hole and the people there are poor thirdworld rats that don't matter. Not at all. Fomenko seems to have great respect for others and other cultures as he tries to rebuild the chronology.

>>4783037

Keep in mind a KEY POINT of Fomenko is that The Bible was written after 1000ad, and the names and places are misplaced and misinterpreted. Which is why you can't find any evidence of King Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, it was never there. In fact, many famous cities are actually the same city: Constantinople. He goes over this at length elsewhere but this quote is in context of Tyre, which Fomenko is also making the case that Tyre = Tzor (hebrew) = Czar = Czar-grad

Also remember, Fomenko doesn't work alone, he has a whole team of tenured university researchers working with him and this project has been going on since the 1970's, he's not just throwing shit at a wall.

From Chronology 4

At the end of the XI century, which is the epoch of the First Crusade, the Antiochian Spear emerges once again. The Crusaders were striving to lay their hands upon this holy relic during the whole long siege of Antiochia in 1098 . Modern historians are mistrustful of the belief shared by the crusaders, namely, that the spear that had pierced the side of Jesus was kept in the besieged Antiochia. Could the crusaders have been correct?

Antiochia is presumed to have been captured by the crusaders exclusively, without the participation of the Romean (or “Byzantine”) troops. However, there are historical records of the city of Tyre, which is right next to Antiochia, taken by Egyptian troops in 1094, also after a 3-year siege: “In 1094, the Fatymid army [Fatymids is the name that historians use for the dynasty that presumably ruled in Alexandria during that epoch; in reality, the army in question belonged

to the Romean, or Roman Emperors, also known as Pharaohs - Auth.] marched to the North, laying this seaport [Tyre - Auth.] under siege and taking it by storm 3 years later, looting the city utterly”. Let us also recollect the fact that “Tyre” translates as “Czar”, or “Czar-Grad”; therefore, Tyre had been a capital city, likewise Antiochia. Most probably, Antiochia and Tyre are but two different names of a single city - for example, Constantinople had also been known as Czar-Grad.

https://ia601300.us.archive.org/1/items/AnatolyFomenkoBooks/History-FictionOrScienceByAnatolyFomenkoVol.4_text.pdf

>>4782708

> My dear anon, i'm done with Fomenko with just that one video

Forget the video. Fomenko is astounding, don't let some random guy's interpretation and very very very brief summary of it recorded in his GARAGE dissuade you. He's incredibly scholarly.

I don't follow him "blindly", he brings to light some incredible facts and paralells. You can't just dismiss him so quickly. READ his work, directly. Very few have so far because his books have only recently been translated to English.

I expect you to be insulted by his research. Any proper historian should be. It's not easy to think that the whole entire study of modern chronology is WRONG. But his proofs are absolutely incredibly, but also difficult to sum up in a few words, which is why he had to write 7 thick (600 pages each) volumes going over the BASICS of it all, which was researched since the 1970s, that's almost 50 years.

> Did he ever heard about Carbon 14 test?

He did two whole chapters on Carbon, you may be interested in reading them. Only then can you rightfully critique him. I've done you a favor and screencapped them in one image for you or you can read it from the "book" here:

https://archive.org/stream/AnatolyFomenkoBooks/History-FictionOrScienceByAnatolyFomenkoVol.1#page/n113/mode/2up

>>4783407

My point is, if Fomenko is RIGHT, then these symbols the cabal use aren't ancient, they're very recent and still very active in their 'ancient' cults.

It's worth considering.

Consider that the cabal control the schools and the governments world wide. History is what they want you to believe. But they fucked up in many ways, and Fomenko noticed.

His study of ancient eclipses are probably the most damning and easiest to scientifically validate.

>>4783339

Fun fact: we have no original texts. None. They're all copies of copies of copies. At least, that's the official story

>>4783575

Let me put this plainly. I don't give a shit if you want to open your mind to Fomenkos ideas or not. You are free to dismiss him quickly and mock him at your whim. I don't care. I only care about truth. And there's no doubt that Roman and Jewish history is plagerized from Byzantine Dynasties and Fomenko illustrates this very well.

I was excited to share this idea with you because I figured perhaps it might ignite a lightbulb that connects your other research together in ways you never thought possible. But, alas, you won't even give it the time of day.

Honestly, I don't really blame you. It took me two years of being offended and confused by the idea until I finally decided to read it DIRECTLY.

Now I can't put it down. It's amazing.

And I don't follow it blindly. Every time Fomenko says something wild, I go verify it. For example when he said there was scarce reference to the mighty Athens during the middle ages, I had to double check, true enough. Same with Rome. It was pretty much forgotten. How's that possible?!

>>4784329

I hate to do this since you're obviously annoyed by Fomenko. Whatever. Just call me FomenkoAnon and I'll make my own connections, take it or leave it.

I plan to read this in depth, but I cant help but notice the year 1400!

It all starts then!

Fomenko agrees!

So the Roman empire somehow had an awesome mint that made thousands or millions of coins. Then.. We forgot how that worked.. And money was a occult thing for centuries.. Then around 1400 we remember how money and economics work?!

Or did we never forget and really the Roman Empire was the Byzantine Empire and the practice of banking lost from the Roman age never was lost, it was a smooth evolution from the invention of coins in the middle ages.

>>4784462

Personally I think that's what he means. It started me on this wild quest as I "Followed the Y heads around the world", ie, find the lost empire, you find the deep state

>>4784238

Feel free to ask me about it, I obviously enjoy this idea!

Also think of the history of naval engineering. How we went from long boats.. To a thousand years of stagnation.. To giant juggernauts that could sail across the Atlantic.

Perhaps there was no gap

>>4784631

No, please keep posting here we appreciate your contributions

>>4785300

I still view your research to be very interesting. I might have a different take on it all, but that doesn't mean you should stop or I should stop. The last thing I want is to censor you. We all want the same thing: the Truth!

>>4785911

Corinthians 13:4-13; Ephesians 6:10-18

1886

Q

!!mG7VJxZNCI

15 Aug 2018 - 1:12:17 PM

"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."

– Corinthians 13:4-13

"Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints."

– Ephesians 6:10-18

>>4786122

You'll have to ask Q about that :)

I believe it's the NIV, from a quick google search

>>4785390

THEY WANT US DIVIDED

But Anon's say no!

>>4786435

Why do you ask about the Armor of God?

And here's a KJV if you like, along with every other popular translation

https://biblehub.com/kjv/

Just want to say I fonly had a chance to start diving into your drop, Thomas Anon. Interesting. DEFINATELY on topic here. I'll comment more when I'm done.

BTW, this is a great forum, but what do you think of this post?

https://stolenhistory.org/threads/the-phoenicians-once-ruled-the-world-they-still-do-today.153/

>>4706505

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2018/12/the-saturn-system-has-water-just-like-earths–except-for-phoebe

>These researchers found that, based on spectroscopic observations of the Saturn system from Cassini, the water in Saturn’s rings and moons is surprisingly like the water on Earth — an unexpected result, given their disparate locations. Even stranger, the water on Saturn’s moon Phoebe (and only Phoebe) is unlike the rest of the water in the Saturn system, suggesting it formed even farther out in the solar nebula, rather than in place around the ringed planet.

Checks out

>>4804786

I like this thought. I was always thinking of it as equal sides of the triangle, but you're stacking them

>>4804786

From Q:

House of Saud (6+++) - $4 Trillion+

Rothschild (6++) - $2 Trillion+

Soros (6+) - $1 Trillion+

Which would put Soros at the top, which I don't think makes sense.

>>4805044

Well Soros would definately be power hungry and ambitious, however he couldn't possibly in a single lifetime match the combined wealth of the generations of Rothschilds.

I think Soros took Rockefeller's spot

>>4806626

DJT is 72 years old

>>4807088

Note, that I think this video is mostly bullshit, but interesting near the end when it talks about Elon Musk

Think about it

There are videos of NASA saying they destroyed the tech they used to get to the moon originally. Which is why it's hard to get back since they'd have to start from scratch.

Of course, that's bullshit. The military appropriated it. Think logically. The whole excuse to go to the moon was to beat the Russians. Why? Because they were terrified the Russians would make a base on the moon.

So now that the US got to the moon, what are they going to do? Call it a day? No. They're going to build a fucking base on the moon.

They couldn't execute Operation Horizon publically, the tech had to be developed by the public tax funders. Such an ambitious project would never get approved if it meant the fruit of victory had to be kept secret. Thus NASA was created instead to do the first phase. Which was a success.

Then they take the tech and continue to develop it.

This is partially where the $21 Trillion went.

Now China is actively exploring the moon, its literally a matter of days until they discover the American Bases. This is why Trump is demanding a Space Force, because its the only way to legitimize an already existing and old program.

This is what Q meant.

The ROMAN EMPIRE never existed. How many coincidences before it's mathematically impossible? Why does the Second Empire almost perfectly match up with the Third Empire? How the hell has no one noticed this until now???

>>4849520

Anyone actually read this yet? It's pretty eye opening.

Also, I can produce one for the Roman Empire = Ancient Israel as well

It's hard to deny these as just "coincidence"

>>4656497

>>4858728

>>4828481

Did you see this?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/archives-reveal-how-churchill-covered-up-nazi-plot-to-install-new-king/

Archives reveal how Churchill covered up Nazi plot to install new king

Germans intended to re-crown abdicated Edward VIII following a successful invasion of Britain

By AP and TOI STAFF

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Winston Churchill speaking in January 1939. (photo credit: AP Photo/ Staff/ Putnam)

Winston Churchill speaking in January 1939. (photo credit: AP Photo/ Staff/ Putnam)

LONDON — Britain’s National Archives released records Thursday showing then prime minister Winston Churchill’s attempts to cover up a Nazi plot to collaborate with members of the British royal family.

The elaborate plan to install the Duke of Windsor as king, should the Nazis successfully invade Britain, involved luring the abdicated king out of neutral Portugal to Spain to offer him a deal.

Former king Edward VIII abdicated in 1936 over his marriage to US divorcee Wallis Simpson. He was known to have Nazi sympathies.

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Nazi telegrams detailing the plot were found after the war in German archives. American researchers wanted to include the material in the official US record of the war, to Churchill’s dismay.

Top secret documents, made available Thursday by the National Archives at Kew, showed how Churchill tried to stall the publication of the plot after World War II as he was worried about how the royal couple would be perceived. Churchill even asked US president Dwight Eisenhower in 1953 to delay publication of the memos. The British wartime leader wanted to push off their publication for 20 years.

The Nazi plot failed, and the memos detailing it were eventually published in 1957 when Churchill was no longer prime minister.

Edward, Duke of Windsor, reviewing an SS squad in 1937. (CC-BY-SA: Wikimedia)

Edward, Duke of Windsor, reviewing an SS squad in 1937. (CC-BY-SA: Wikimedia)

The documents published Thursday detail how Churchill tried to suppress the plot, not the plot itself which has long been public.

After the war Churchill tried to have the dossier about the Nazi attempts to court Edward destroyed and wrote to Eisenhower in 1953 saying ‘If they were to be included in an official publication they might leave the impression that the Duke was in close touch with German agents and was listening to suggestions that were disloyal,” the Daily Mail reported.

The telegrams that Churchill tried to keep hidden show the Nazis kept a close eye the duke and duchess and put into action a plan to try and convince them to stay in Spain in 1940 until Britain could be conquered after which Edward would be installed as a puppet king.

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor, left, are shown as they visited Adolf Hitler at his home in Berchtesgaden, Germany, on their tour of that country, October 1937. On Hitler's right is Dr. Robert Ley, head of the German Labor Front, and guide of the Windsors on many of their industrial visits. (AP)

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor, left, are shown as they visited Adolf Hitler at his home in Berchtesgaden, Germany, on their tour of that country, October 1937. On Hitler’s right is Dr. Robert Ley, head of the German Labor Front, and guide of the Windsors on many of their industrial visits. (AP)

Churchill was informed of the plan and took measures to have the duke and duchess first returned to neighboring Portugal and then sent to the Bahamas, where Edward was set up as governor.

>>4887950

>Churchill was informed of the plan and took measures to have the duke and duchess first returned to neighboring Portugal and then sent to the Bahamas, where Edward was set up as governor.

And now you know how Edward ended up in America!!!

Found this interesting documentary on Edward VIII called "The Traitor King"

Wow this thread really blew up lately!

FRESH BREAD

>>5066118

>>5066118

>>5066118

FRESH BREAD

If anyone would be bold enough to collect a notables from this thread you will be rewarded with 72 virgins (immediately, you don't need to wait for heaven)