Paul taught thusly, as did the other inspired penman:

Acts 28:23

And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, -→persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets,←- from morning till evening.

The "Q" source wasn't required. Jesus, The Word was already written, and taught in the Law and the Prophets, to which Jesus also expounded, post His Own Resurrection no less:

Luke 24:

25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to -→believe all that the prophets have spoken:←-

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And -→beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.←-

The New Testament is intimately linked and virtually inseparable from the Old Testament.

Every basic tenet of faith in Christ is found in the O.T. and expounded upon in the N.T. via H.S. inspired engagements, which I might add, is still available today for seeking readers, engaging therein.

John 16:13

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

2 Tim. 3:

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that -→from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,←- which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

They left plenty of scriptural meat on the bone for all of us to reflect upon and engage with.

Nevertheless, Paul was not against any way that Christ was preached, even in pretence:

Philippians 1:18

What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Paul believed Jesus was sufficient to gather and Lead, regardless. Any writings must pass the muster of being built upon the Law, Prophets and Apostles in any cases of sights/teachings/leadings.

Isaiah 8:20

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

Language is not a barrier to the Holy Spirit

>>4026817

Half of the intentions of God is to provoke evil via His Words, in case you hadn't noticed.

1 Corinthians 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Romans 7:13

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Divine Principle of our current construct 101:

Mark 4:

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Elementary example with open evidence:

God says love your neighbor as yourself. Where do the majority of the believers land? They end up believing most of their neighbors are going to burn alive in hell forever. The very opposite of Gods Command. A person can not hate another person any more than this.

BUT, if we manage to see what happens where the Word is sown, there is a culprit involved within the person that is not the person. So the result is not unusual. It's an openly revealed phenomena that exists openly in nearly every sect of christianity. All these people are and remain under the internal control system of the great dragon.

It's quite interesting, what the devil(s) do within them. And they all will automatically deny this happens within them as well. But then again, it's not them denying.'

There is, in reality, an invisible kingdom of evil, that operates this present world. No question about it from the scriptures.

God can bring the divide within the person, or He can and does allow evil to blind, steal and reign.

Entirely His Call.

Romans 9:

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Who is Pharaoh in the language of the Spirit?

Ezekiel 29:3

Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Revelation 12:9

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Scripture presents a whole world, and a divided world. The whole world is under the deception of Satan.

The divided world sees this Spiritual reality. Most believers see the whole world under the deception of evil, of Satan. However it's always the other people's problems. And therefore they end up hating their neighbors, when they should direct their hatred where it belongs, to their own evil present with them.

Romans 7:

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Paul is not talking about the "other guy's" evil present, but his own.

When any believer DOES see these things and apply them personally, they have taken their first steps into Christ's discipleship. And He will lead them in the proper dividing of The Word.

God's Word is a powerful weapon. It causes all kinds of interesting things to transpire within those exposed to same, depending on how the great dragon rears its ugly head, in exposures. That's exactly what is meant to transpire.

When Jesus, Gods Living Word Spoke, the great dragon moved quickly to expunge Him. And again, that was exactly how God Meant things to transpire.

Acts 4:

26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both """Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,'''

28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

Those few who are led to see and who know they have an adverse to God will functioning within them, will see the whole world as scripture sees and depicts it. They'll love their neighbors and direct their hatred where it belongs. And yes, it's real hatred.

Luke 14:26

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

You won't be hearing too many preacher clowns in the pulpit or on the teevee, expounding from the scriptures about how and why they hate themselves. "_he cannot be my disciple_."

>>4037499

The information is there to be had. Whether you believe the information or not is irrelevant.

1 John 5:19

And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

If you paid half a wit of attention to what is being said, you might be able to engage, credibly.

>>4037578

What makes you think I post to you?

Scripture shows two parties in the construct of man. One God is for, the other God is against.

I lean to the latter side of the equations because scriptures are there to be read, perceived and pronounced. Just because you don't get it is irrelevant.

>>4042533

Did Jesus speak to devils?

Uh, yeah, lots.

Sorry if you don't like it. Well, maybe it ain't you that doesn't like it?

You might try reading sometime.

2 Corinthians 12:7

And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

If you see only Paul in the above, try again, til you get it.

>>4043064

Yeah, using scriptures at a Biblefag board = bad man.

Go back to sleep.

>>4043214

Didn't anybody ever teach you to not buy whole hog only into the rosy side of accounts?

Consumerism infection.

>>4054888

The pope is wrong:

The pope recently changed the Lord's prayer. Consider the clarity of two verses showing the earlier translation was rendered in error because God tempts no one.

James1:13-

No one being tempted should say,

"I am being tempted by God."

-

and God himself tempts no one.

Genesis 22:1

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, -

And everyone will come rushing to God's defense, saying it really means some other word.

But on the other hand, maybe not.

These verses can be entirely harmonized when we bring the tempter, the devil(s) into the picture of man's construct, as Jesus showed us:

Mark 4:

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

We know for a scriptural fact that all have sin and all are sinners. We also know for a scriptural fact that sin is of the devil. 1 John 3:8.

When we are quite falsely led to see only one party in the scriptural equations of man, we are actually being blinded to the internal reality of the devil with mankind.

And yes, God does treat that entity class in opposite fashions from mankind. Since the parties are clearly shown to be overlapped in thousands of instances in the Gospels, particularly, we should technically be able to see the fact. BUT again, the resistance to this fact is REAL and is from the devil, blinding the readers to this internal reality.

We know from Paul that unbelievers are blinded in mind by the god of this world. That would be SATAN in their mind, blinding, STEALING Gods Words from them. 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, easy examples.

When we get all the parties on the table, IF it's possible, we do get an entirely different picture of God's Sight of "man." And that sight is NOT just man. It is man and devil.

So we can for example take another set of scriptures, that without the anti-Christ spiritual antagonist in the picture of man, there is no reconciling:

3 John 1:

11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

And we have Paul's clear statement:

Romans 7:19

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

WAS John really saying Paul did not know God? Of course not! Paul himself described the sin that dwelt in his flesh as "no longer I." We also know sin is of the devil. THE DEVIL is clearly in these scriptural pictures, even with Paul:

2 Corinthians 12:7

And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

This fact also explains how Paul could declare himself the chief of sinners, AFTER salvation in 1 Tim. 1:15 -→ because Paul is not seeing only Paul. Paul is seeing himself in the LIGHT OF MARK 4:15, as Jesus showed him and all of us.

The pope is wrong. The pope has the same problem with the devil as Paul did, and as all mankind do, because of the reality of Mark 4:15. And that is also why the pope and his magisterium CAN'T SEE IT. Because there is an internal thief involved, stealing the fact from them.

Who does God tempt? It ain't man. Is man just man? Do the scriptural math.

Similar mistakes transpire with the law. Is the law only for man? By no means. The law is for sinners, 1 Tim. 1:9, and we also know the devil is a sinner. Satan is also "moved" to resist Gods Words (Mark 4:15) IN MAN and the Law is God's Word, also.

When God spoke the first blessing to Adam, and then the first law, DO NOT EAT, what happened? Read Jesus in Mark 4:15 and you might see more than just Adam and Eve in the picture.

IF we don't believe what Jesus said in Mark 4:15 applies to us, personally, then we are technically UNbelievers of His Words. And are the victims of internal theft and internal deceptions via Satan.

Jesus told us every Word of God applies to man. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. We don't get to cut and toss.

>>4057261

Every jot and tittle of God's Word is for and in behalf of man and simultaneously against devils.

The observation that was put in play is that scripture doesn't see "man" as a stand alone entity/indivual. Scripture sees TWO PARTIES when it addresses man. See Mark 4:15.

Does the law stand? Of course. For what reasons?

The arousing and empowering of sin:

1 Corinthians 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

What happens where the Word is sown? Satan enters the heart to steal and resist God's Word including Words of LAW.

Romans 3:20

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Paul writes extensively in Romans 7 about his internal engagement with a single law, "do not lust." And discovered indwelling sin which he termed "no longer I" twice in Romans 7:17 & 20, caused every manner of concupiscence in his mind. Romans 7:7-13.

We also know from Jesus that evil thoughts defile us, and those those are "against the law" thoughts:

Matthew 15:

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Mark 7:

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The above are not "optional." They happen as a fact via exposure to the law and indwelling sin's resisting actions in the MIND and HEART. This PROVES our internals are defiled and that evil is present with us just as it was for Paul. Romans 7:21

So does your "evil present" and "indwelling sin" follow the LAW?

Sorry, never happened, never will.

We also know from Paul that the law is for sinners:

1 Timothy 1:

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Is the devil a sinner? Yep!

1 John 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Do the math. It ain't hard to see, unless of course the chief thief is telling you otherwise, internally.

The law stands PRECISELY to judge and condemn the devils. Every last one of them.

The law also stands to cause sin to become utterly sinful.

Romans 7:

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

And "utterly sinful" is openly evidenced in the "church members" themselves. Why? Because they let themselves off the hook for their sins as common hypocrites always do, AND they claim to "love their neighbors" as themselves while simultaneously and in reality, in their heart, condemn other sinners to burn alive in hell forever. They could not get any FURTHER AWAY from the Law's requirement.

The reality is they were ALL, to the man, overtaken by Satan/devils internally, and do the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Law's requirements, which Paul isolates and simplifies regarding comprehending "any commandment" in Romans 13:8-10, "love your neighbor as yourself."

And it's even more hilarious when believers take up the bulk of their time trying to tell other believers they are wrong so they can condemn them to hell in their hearts while they openly justify their own sinning hides/minds.

It's a very sad and pathetic thing to observe.

>>4056900

I believe my post correctly predicted that people would claim that tempt is not tempt, which I of course reject on the basis that tempt does mean tempt and that MAN, such as Abraham, was NOT ALONE in his own heart, because Mark 4:15 IS AN INTERNAL REALITY.

Genesis 22:1

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

A similar collusion is made when people claim God is not the Author of confusion. However, God DID CONFUSE the language of the people at the tower of BABEL, didn't HE?

When we see the internal reality of Mark 4:15 for ourselves, we THEN see that God is not dealing with "just man" when dealing with "man."

Mark 4:15

And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Was the Word sown with Abraham? YEP! Did Mark 4:15 happen to Abraham? You bet your bottom dollar it did or JESUS was a liar.

So was Abraham just Abraham? NOPE!

Now, who did God TEMPT?

Now, who did God CONFUSE?

Do the math. It's not that hard, unless we don't believe what Jesus said in Mark 4:15 is really TRUE. And there are plenty of UNbelieving believers on that particular count.

Yet we know "every Word" of God applies to MAN. Every Word. Not just "the good ones" that we happen to like personally. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4.

Get all the parties of scripture, man and devils bound together, and scripture goes down the gullet a LOT easier. And guess what? Once anyone sees it they'll understand INSTANTLY how they can both love their neighbors as themselves, ALL OF THEM, and simultaneously abide in sound and proper judgment against SIN, EVIL AND THE DEVILS in MAN. They are not the same parties, but they are standing in the same shoes we all wear.

Romans 16:20

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Not under some other guy's feet. YOURS.

>>4067754

I read the KJV. KJV says God TEMPTS. What you're not picking up at all is WHO is being engaged that was with/in/upon Abraham that was not Abraham. And for that I point again to Mark 4:15. So figure it out. Unfortunately the reality of Mark 4:15 doesn't allow you to "get it."

In any case, even if you feel the need to "protect" your version of God and provide Him excuses, He TOTALLY ALLOWS temptations and the tempter(s) to exist and do so. God not implicated in that you claim?

LOL God IS Implicated in everything that exists. Even your utter failure to perceive the fact.

Hebrews 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Upholding ALL THINGS…no exceptions…including TEMPTATIONS.

Might as well toss you another knot for your brain:

Job 2:10

But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

>>4067603

We know that the whole world LIES in the power of the evil one…

But you are obviously the exception, or under bald faced control of a liar that is not you.

Romans 7:21

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

I'm thankful for a few believers, such as Paul, that were Divinely enabled to tell the truth.

>>4069036

You: Paul is trying to teach human behavior

Yeah, well, you see, that's what devils do. They blame and accuse our fellow man.

And for what it's worth, I ain't buying your "hebrew meaning" because it's not accurate.

There is no question that sin is of the devil. 1 John 3:8

There is no question that Satan enters the heart to steal. Mark 4:15

There is no question that Satan blinds minds to the Gospel. 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2

Paul did NOT say the "real me" that is not the "real me." You'd have to stretch Hebrew beyond distinction to get to where you landed. Unfortunately that's what a lot of translations do. They eliminate Satan from the equations.

Gee, wonder why?

>>4069612

I wonder how Paul managed to get himself into this claim?

1 Timothy 1:15

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

"I am" not "I was" or "I used to be."

I prefer honest discourses, not lies, hypocrisy and coverups for sin which is of the devil. Do you think Paul figured out his sin was of the devil? I'd expect that was the case.

2 Corinthians 12:7

And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

I know it sticks in craw of religious people to truthfully claim they have sin, are sinners and their own sin via evil thoughts are DEMONICALLY SOURCED. But that IS the scriptural case, like it or not.

And why anyone would get all butt hurt over it when it's "no longer I" or "no longer you" is odd as well.

The devil ain't gonna stop sinning for anyone and the devils sins transpire IN MAN.

>>4069737

Deuteronomy 30:15

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Nah, God really didn't do that, did He? Yep!

>>4069768

Whether people like the scriptures or not, they are there to be read for what they say. Not what we want to make believe they say.

>>4068592

I suppose I have to say Jesus' name as you demand, in some twist of Hebrew, to be really saved tho, right?

>>4069974

Mark 4:15 applies to David H. Stern as well. And, if he doesn't get that critical picture, he doesn't get an accurate translation.

But hey, if it makes you feel better, wth.

>>4069905

Well, let's see, I believe ALL PEOPLE are saved. Including you as a child of God.

And, I believe all devils go to hell.

That makes me "man bad," huh?

LOL

Where Jesus led me to take my stand is closer to WWG1WGA than most of you will ever have the pleasure to savor.

>>4075121

I avoid personal opinions in favor of scriptural presentations, particularly if they violate the command to love our neighbors as ourselves.

John 4:42

And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

1 John 4:14

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

>>4072815

I experienced long ago that uphold God in Christ as the actual Saviour of all mankind drives devils in believers CRAZY, and it's quite entertaining and fascinating to observe the hatred pour out of them.

>>4072711

We certainly can't be having a Saviour of the world who actually succeeds now can we? lol

>>4072361

You: God knows hearts. That's why Jesus says not all who say Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom v of Heaven. /

IF we were to stand Paul before Jesus which one of the parties below might you think that will apply to? Bolded for the slow of mind.

2 Corinthians 12:

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

If you see only Paul you guessed wrong.

>>4072288

You: There is wheat and tares.

2 Corinthians 12:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Hmmm? I wonder which one of the two parties above was the TARE? Hmmm? Such a mystery in plain and open sight.

Matthew 13:38

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Hmmm? I wonder which one of the two parties in 2 Cor. 12:7 is the child of the wicked one? Hmmm?

Most blind religious people only see people when the obvious culprits couldn't be any clearer.

Hmmm? Wonder why?

This is such fun.

>>4080128

Obviously we are not reading from the same document.

>>4081266

I never expect people to be able to see what is there in the scriptures to see, even though entirely obvious. It's quite natural:

Matthew 13:14

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

The reason people don't see and perceive is shown, openly, in Mark 4:15, which means they are being "actively" stolen from.

What is being stolen from them? The fact that Satan steals Word from THEM, within.

It's real. But if you don't see or perceive it, you only confirm the fact to those who acknowledge it does happen in and to them.

Mark 4:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

EVERYONE who says in their heart, NO, that does not happen to ME is hearing the voice of SATAN in them, speaking that lie, and they have been stolen from, because they DON'T BELIEVE it.