>>4072449

Ephesians 5…Always Always Always read the reference IN CONTEXT.

The beginning of the chapter discusses life among those in the dark (vs4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting…) . Then comes the context of verse 21 and FOLLOWING. [NASV] (I was tempted to leave the [q] reference in but I think they'll understand)

15 Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise, 16 making the most of your time, because the days are evil. 17 So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; 20 always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father; 21 and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ. (how sweet it would be if anons treated each other this way!)

Marriage Like Christ and the Church (conclusion=husband loves wife + willing to die for her [greatest love] and the wife is to respect her husband…look how far we have fallen)

22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30 because we are members of His body. 31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. 32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.

>>4072449 As for becoming a pastor read 1 Timothy 2 (all of it)

11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

How do I interpret this? Well, there is another verse where Paul says when we are weak, then we are strong (in the Lord). Mirrored, it seems if we are strong in ourselves then we are vulnerable. So how was the woman deceived? She was Adam's HELPER. She was to help him. Was it the apple biting, or was it pride in self, view of helping someone that made her STRONG IN HERSELF. Let's put bill and hill in the place of Adam and Eve. Same result. The woman thinks she is strong and is therefore the weaker. IMO the strong woman is a lie. The only right we really have is to burn in hell. It is by His grace that we kneel before Him and claim HIS righteousness. But I digress…a bit.

I am responding up to this point because that is where I am in reading. So far, if you do not prove your point that conservatism and the Word of God are in error, I will use my feminine gut feeling that you are in fact in error. BTW, I also pray with my head covered. It is the angels who protect us under the command of the Lord and there is no way I want to offend them while people are putting their lives on the line.

>>4072445

The pastor is ruler of the church. Nice wording. So I went to the sauce provided. Read here the only two resolutions of 1988 referring to ministry, neither of which proclaim the pastor as ruler. CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH.

Resolution On Ministerial Integrity

1988 - San Antonio, Texas

WHEREAS, In times past the ministerial vocation carried with it an aura of respect and deep admiration by the general public; and

WHEREAS, Both the Christian community and secular society expect Christian leaders to be responsible followers of Christ with a high level of integrity (1 Timothy 3:2).

Therefore, be it RESOLVED, That we, the messengers of the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in San Antonio, Texas, June 14-16, 1988, pray for those in the family of God who are in positions of ministerial leadership and moral example, and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we encourage the daily cultivation of a strong spiritual foundation to combat our personal tendency toward sin; and

Be it finally RESOLVED, That we call upon all Southern Baptists who serve in ministry-related leadership capacities to be aware constantly of the example of their lives, and to maintain biblical standards of honesty, fidelity, and integrity.

RESOLUTION ON COMMENDING BIVOCATIONAL MINISTERS

WHEREAS, The Apostle Paul served the Lord bivocationally; and

WHEREAS, Bivocational ministers serving in church work and secular employment have for many years been effective and fruitful in Southern Baptist life; and

WHEREAS, Bivocational ministers are not part-time ministers, but rather dual-role ministers who have a full church ministry and a marketplace ministry; and

WHEREAS, Almost 10,000 Southern Baptist churches are presently served by bivocational pastors; and

WHEREAS, Our Home Mission Board is focusing attention on our churches using bivocational pastors; and

THEREFORE, be it RESOLVED, That we, the messengers of the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in San Antonio, Texas, June 14-16, 1988, affirm the role of the bivocational minister as one used of God in the work of His kingdom.

Be it further RESOLVED, That this Convention encourage Southern Baptists to provide encouragement and enhancement to bivocational ministry as we work to carry our Bold Mission Thrust; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That this Convention encourage students preparing for church-related vocations to be alert to the option of choosing a second vocation as an enabler for ministry; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That Southern Baptist churches be encouraged to consider strengthening their programs, ministry, and outreach through the use of bivocational ministers; and

Be it finally RESOLVED, That the churches sponsoring new congregations be encouraged to utilize bivocational ministers to initiate new work.

Resolution On Restoration Of Trust In Local Churches

1988 - San Antonio, Texas

WHEREAS, There is an ever-increasing number of our local Southern Baptist churches experiencing conflict and inner-church power struggles; and

WHEREAS, This is in direct contrast to the teachings of the head of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ, "By this shall men know you are my disciples, if you have love one for another" (John 13:35); and

WHEREAS, Love involves trust, and our choice not to trust one another has diminished our witness and our mission at home and around the world; and

WHEREAS, There are alternative strategies for reconciliation rather than church/pastor/staff dismissals, such as: A reaffirmation of biblical methods (Matthew 18:15-17) in resolving conflicts; a commitment to patience and trust; and requesting third-party consultation.

BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED by the 131st Convention of Southern Baptists, meeting in San Antonio, Texas, June 14-16, 1988, that we pledge ourselves to diligent intercessory prayer: (1) For our local churches in conflict and in need of spiritual healing; (2) for pastors and church staff members who have been dismissed for whatever reason; (3) for the Convention's Involuntary Termination Work Group seeking to develop a strategy to educate and assist local churches and church leadership in biblical concepts of conflict resolution; and (4) for our testimony to the world that they may see Christ through our relationships.

>>4072474

Yes many churches, including independent Baptist churches using the SCHOFIELD reference bible are pre-tribulationalists.

I am not. I am a post-tribber. :) Grew up in an independent Baptist church and learned to do my own studies and mainly, to look up every reference while listening to a pastor and read the chapter referenced and if need be, the one preceding.

Can't read 1 Thessalonians without 2 Thessalonians. The resurrection of the dead is the KEY.

>>4072482

Don't think they meant children do not have fundamental human rights. They were probably saying a child would not understand their legal rights.

I know a man with the IQ of a 6th grader who is now in prison for life without parole in a state that has that law. He didn't understand what it meant to plead guilty. His court appointed lawyer lied to him and told him he would go to a psych hospital not prison for life. That was over 20 years ago. The system is changing for the mentally disabled but what about those who were charged before there were "friendly courts!"

There are child friendly courts, right? Well, according to you there should only be adult courts.

>>4072488

yeah, getting Christians to give is easy and they should be made aware of the dangers of unicef and other major organizations. Do you think the Cabal told the members what they were up to? Why aren't you? They are your brothers and sisters in Christ, are they not?

>>4072491

Yup, there is a correlation, but it is not a CAUSE. There is a good possibility that someone has been compromised. Are the Baptists preaching or immigrating orphans? Have you checked?

>>4072496

Have you ever considered why Satan would target the Jews in every conceivable manner? Have you considered that Satan wants to rule the world and will in fact get his 7 minutes (relatively speaking)? Do you ever wonder why Satan gets this time? Why? Why would a righteous God allow Satan to rule?