>>4283663

If this plan has been in place for decades, it's likelier that its purpose is containment of potential revolution, and brainwashing the public not to mind living in a total surveillance state that can't be stopped through any democratic means. It's probably so decentralized by now that nothing short of a Carrington event could get rid of it.

Man, this is really a hard stop for me. I can't ever bring myself to view an agency conducting mass surveillance as good, nor can I view the whistleblower that brought it to mainstream attention as evil.

>>4283840

That's the thing for me. Finding out we live under total surveillance, with oodles of consumer devices listening to us at all times, and creepy government data centers in Mormon country… it basically shattered my hope for the future. I know my history. I know where mass surveillance leads. It always ends with millions of dead. You can tie it to practically every genocide in the last century. The lists of names of those to be eliminated always come from somewhere.

Q generally gives me a lot of hope, but this pro-NSA anti-Snowden stuff is so jarringly at odds with everything I believe is right… he's not a traitor.

>>4284058

>Was also completely antisurveillance state, but had a lot to rethink in the past year… and feel ever grateful to the wizards & warlocks, those who know… and took action.

What if that's the purpose of this place? To turn those wizards and warlocks into heroes; to make you glad to live under total surveillance in blatant violation of your human rights; to paint the guy who revealed it to the public as a villain when he's really a hero?

>>4284310

>If you want to opt-out of the NSA's protection, you can avoid being under surveillance. however, you also sacrifice the entire MIL and NG protection it also affords.

From what I know of NSA capabilities, any steps I could take to avoid surveillance would just flag me for even more surveillance. There's no escaping it, really. That scares the shit out of me. Way I figure it, there's a countdown until that system facilitates something really ugly. It's the same countdown that happened to every government to reach for this power in the past. We're walking down a well-worn path, one walked by the STASI and NKVD and Gestapo before us.

Mass surveillance is an existential threat. It is directly counter to the definition of a free society. It should never have been allowed to rise, and it should be resisted unconditionally.