So, curious question, how many people from NSA and CIA are posting here right now? I'm the annoying guy with questions about Edward Snowden you might have noticed from brevious breads. I don't think he's a traitor, and I'm beginning to think poorly of Q for saying he is, and this is coming from someone who had an open mind about this place. Talk to me on the level.
That's the problem. I think anyone calling Edward Snowden a traitor is not only wrong, but my enemy. How's them apples?
Prove it. With an undeniable evidence trail, not Q posts. His employment history won't suffice.
I don't think he betrayed me. I think he gave me a fighting chance against a terrible tyranny. Mass surveillance is an existential threat to every human being alive. Mass surveillance is a catalyst for genocide.
Elaborate on what you mean. What exactly was limited about telling the American public, and the world, that their government was spying on them all in blatant violation of their constitution and values?
I too think I'm privy to a stunning amount of information most people wouldn't have a clue about. It is this knowledge that makes me aggressively question anything Q says that runs counter to my understanding of reality. My current belief is that Edward Snowden is a good man, a hero, and someone I'd lay down my life for. I also believe the NSA is bad guys. Anyone conducting mass surveillance is by their very definition, bad.
I am aware of this post. I have not yet found reason to believe it.
Sometimes from NSA's, sometimes from CIA's. Any time Q casts doubt on the integrity of Wikileaks or Assange, that's the CIA at work. Any time Snowden is brought up, it's the NSA's wet dream wish list. At least, that's my amateur analysis.
The NSA wasn't an enigma since the movie Enemy of the State came out.
Not link, but refer to the ones where he says that agencies aren't all bad - that there's good actors and bad actors in each.
The reality is sadly quite different. Both of the agencies in question are mainly bad, with a tiny sliver of saving grace that keeps them relevant. Frankly I no longer think they're a necessary evil.
I don't. I know. Same place that makes all our intel agencies look glitzy in the movies. Zero Dark Thirty, anyone?
Brennan bad, Rogers good. That's the narrative being driven here.
Alternate vision: Brennan bad, Rogers bad. Secret torture prisons bad, mass surveillance bad. It's all bad.
Disagree. The NSA did. Freedom from mass surveillance is a fundamental human right. Article 12, UN UDHR. 4th Amendment, US constitution. The NSA has deprived us all of this right, and given us no democratic choice in the matter. This is tyranny.
Sorry, I keep fucking up who I'm replying to. The booze might have something to do with that. Re-posting:
Not link, but refer to the ones where he says that agencies aren't all bad - that there's good actors and bad actors in each.
The reality is sadly quite different. Both of the agencies in question are mainly bad, with a tiny sliver of saving grace that keeps them relevant. Frankly I no longer think they're a necessary evil.
Express knowledge of classified material as though it were commonplace, thus demonstrating that the classification is excessive and fruitless. My guess.
It most certainly has been decided in the courts, the very highest courts of the land - the US constitution takes precedence above all other laws. The US constitution is quite clear on the matter of mass surveillance, its fourth amendment being writ in reaction to King George's Writs of Assistance, a major factor in the American revolution from the British Crown.
Most people don't know the full history of the Fourth Amendment.
I think their ability to collect as much as they can should be impaired. I feel the same way about clandestine services. Total information awareness sounds good to the wielder, but the wielder never considers who else might come into that power.
What if I told you surveillance has caused magnitudes more deaths than it has ever purported to safeguard? What if I told you that mass surveillance was a direct facilitator of every major genocide in the last century?
I understand that most of you won't be convinced. Regardless, I remain true to my values.
I'm not sure. I thought they would be the bulwark against the coming night. Lately, I think they'll just be participants, for the first little while anyway. Then it'll be quiet for a while, then the TACAMO guys will come out of their hidey holes, and we'll have a brave new world and shit. I'm not actually sure I trust anyone anymore. Even the good guys turned out to be pretty bad.
I know you have no reason to believe me, I'm literally no-one, but my personal opinion is… the idea of a secret war between the CIA and NSA is so ridiculous, that sufficiently derisive words do not exist to describe it in the English language. I'd seriously give Flat Earth more credence as theory before that gem. There is no secret civil war between those two, nor any other US intel agency. In fact, the very suggestion that the CIA and NSA are at war, is probably more of that Sun Tzu stuff, appear weak when strong, appear divided when united. Etc.