anons - i posted anti prolife and some anons are triggered esp because they are biblfags - so here is the summayr of why they are wrong and shows the bible does NOT prohibit abortion

GOD DEFINES THE BEGINNING OF LIFE AND ENTRY OF THE SOUL INTO A NEWBORN

Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

GOD COMMANDS ABORTION OF AN ADULTEROUS FETUS:

Numbers 5:11-22 King James Version (KJV)

11 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled…

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

GOD DECREESS THE PENALTY FOR CAUSING MISCARRAIGE - FINE ONLY AS JUDGE/HUSBAND DETERMINE - NOT MURDER

Exodus 21:22 King James Version (KJV)

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

NOTE - pro -lifers cite this very same scripture for the opposite position - most scholars support the traditional and long established conclusion noted above - however, some do argue aganst this - their conclusions are questions - but see this article for full discussion:

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1992/09/the-fetus-in-biblical-law

JESUS DID NOT ALTER THESE LAWS (THOUGH SOME - KOSHER LAWS AND SACRIFICE WERE MADE OBSOLETE BY JESUS)

Matthew 5:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Here is a link to an essay why the Bible does not prohibit abortion: http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/bible.shtml

OK so now here are Pro lifers arguments for their position - rebuttal

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>>4554796

2/2

Fetus are called "babies" in scripture:

“The babies jostled each other within her.” (Genesis 25:22)

Sorry but this is just a misleading translation - in Hebrew the word "baby" comes from the root word that means "nursing." Furthermore this verse symbolizes (or prophecizes) the future conflict between the two lines of Isaac (hebrew) and Esau (arab) resulting from the battle over Isaac's birthrights. it is not intended to be read literally.

And here - "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.(Luke 1:41) - Again this is clearly not intended to be read literally - the "baby" (translation misleading) did not leap - it is just a honor and manner of saying that your child (Mary) will be greater than mine (Elizabeth) And that was certainly true.

However, the most quoted scripture in support of the the pro life position is Jeremiah, which refers to God knowing and honoring the fruits of his mother's womb:

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Of course this says nothing at all about when life begins or abortion - it only makes clear that God knew the future and fate of that Prophet BEFORE he even was formed in the womb - not after.

And this Psalm:

For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb…Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be. (Psalm 139:13,16) Again this only states that Gos knows all and creates all - it says nothing about when life begins or abortion.

Same case for these scriptures:

This is what the Lord says—He who made you, who formed you in the womb. (Isaiah 44:2)

“Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?” (Job 31:15)

And of course the Ten Commandments - "thous shall not murder" is the correct translation but pro- lifers say "Thou shalt not kill" = clearly wrong since killing is condoned in the bible in war, for pusnishment, in self defense etc and is NOT murder.

BOTTOM LINE FOR PRO LIFERS AS STATED BY THE CHURCH - READ CAREFULLY:

Full Question

My friend contends that the Bible can't be used to argue against abortion because nowhere in the Bible does it state that abortion is wrong and that life begins at conception. How do I respond?

Answer

Though we don’t find the word abortion mentioned in any biblical text, we can deduce from Scripture, not to mention natural law, reason, Church teaching, and patristic witness that abortion is intrinsically evil.

TRANSLATION - TRUST THE CHURCH FATHERS WHO CAN "DEDUCE" THAT ABORTION IS EVIL

>>4554901

i trust the book of enoch and other gnostic scriptures too as well as the canon bible

they all describe a similar event as you mention

but in my view these interactions were as described in the sumerian tablets - entirely consistent with enoch and all scripture

i do not believe in an anthropomorhic god anon

i believe in THE ALL which we can call God and is the ultimate imtelligence and energy and well, the ALL

evil in this world is also explained in the gnostic gospels

good news - evil lost

future unlocks the truth

>>4554946

>Paul's attempts to spread the teachings of a Jewish reformer to non-Jewish communities.

yes and what he did to accomplish that did not require any modification by the romans

it was so well done in fact they canonized paul in the NT

big lie it was

>>4555018

yes i know the doctrines anon

studied and believed them most of my life

not any more

there is even better news if you want it

>>4555045

well you are onto something very true and very important anon

"as above so below"

reality is infinitely layered

we only see some layers

but always

"as above so below"