You are spreading disinformation and you really have not done your homework. I may or may not address you later as I answered correctly above.
You are a misinformed Christian or a Jew shill. You need to understand the difference in a Jew and an Israelite. The promises were mad to Israel not to Jews.
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I have no more hate for Jews than I do for anyone following a "religion". All religions are traditions and customs that step on the Torah. It just so happens the Jews did it first.
Under king David Israel kept Torah Law. God loved Israel. Then Solomon allowed Israel to become corrupted with Egyptian and "other" rituals and rites. God got pissed so he sent the prophets to talk to them. Then he disbanded them. Then they got back and then they screwed up again. So he sent the prophets - Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah. Finally he got so fed up he turned his back on them. Jesus came one last time to try and repent them back to Torah Law. By that time the Priesthood was so corrupt it had to be disbanded.
In the New Test Paul tells us we now have a new priest we pray to. No more Levites doing sacrifices - until the Jews erect their Satanic 3rd temple which will usher in the Tribulation period prophecised.
Again, Jesus followed Torah Law and the OT Torah is for all people - Israel and Gentile. That is what people do not understand. The Law was for all people. It is Jewish Law that is only for Jews and that is what Paul was trying to teach people, but since people do not understand there are 2 laws being discussed in the bible they think Paul is talking about Torah and dissing it which he is not. He followed it and he left the Rabbis.
I can give example of anything I said here. But here are a few:
God divorced Israel…
Jer 3:8 Judah saw that I sent unfaithful Israel away because of her adultery and that I gave Israel her divorce papers. But treacherous Judah, her sister, wasn't afraid. She also acted like a prostitute.
You are not my people…
Hos 1:9 The LORD said, "Name him Lo Ammi [Not My People]. You are no longer my people, and I am no longer your God.,
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The OT Law was for all people…
There were rules for gentiles in order to remain in Israel. Such as…
Deu 31:12 Everyone must come–men, women, children, and even the gentiles who live in your towns. And each new generation will listen and learn to worship the LORD their God with fear and trembling and to do exactly what is said in God's Law.
Lev 16:29 On the tenth day of the seventh month of each year, you must go without eating to show sorrow for your sins, and no one, including gentiles who live among you, is allowed to work.
Lev 17:10 I will turn against any of my people who eat blood. This also includes any gentiles living among you.
Lev 20:2 to say to the community of Israel: Death by stoning is the penalty for any citizens or gentiles in the country who sacrifice their children to the god Molech.
Lev 24:22 I am the LORD your God, and I demand equal justice both for you Israelites and for those gentiles who live among you.
Lev 24:22 I am the LORD your God, and I demand equal justice both for you Israelites and for those gentiles who live among you.
Num 9:14 Anyone, including gentiles who live among you, can celebrate Passover, if they follow all the regulations.
Num 15:14 And the gentiles who live among you must also follow these rules.
Num 15:15 This law will never change. I am the LORD, and I consider all people the same, whether they are Israelites or gentiles living among you.
Num 15:26 the sin of everyone–both Israelites and gentiles among you–will be forgiven.
Under the Talmud these LAWS form GOD are rendered moot.
Tribulation is only 3 1/2 years.
There is a peace agreement made for 7 years. In the middle of the peace agreement the anti-christ rises up and Tribulation begins for the final 3 1/2 years. It is that simple. The first 3 1.2 years of peace are not Tribulation or anything. It is PEACE. The wrath of God IS at the END of the Tribulation period - PERIOD.
When you try to figure out 70 weeks you are going down a path that is not easy to figure out.
(KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
First of all this is not about aliens, fallen angels, or other such BS. People that allege this love to hear themselves speak.
Giants mean they were big men as in power. They were the Rockefellers of their time. Now there were taller humans, but in this case they were powerful men.
The term sons of God simply means they were made by God as we all were. We are all sons of God through Adam aren't we? Then it clarifies again and says they were mighty men, men of renown.
Bottom line - rich old men took young women of the poor. And as we read on…
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
God was mad. He saw the wickedness of MAN was great. Not the wickedness of aliens or "fallen angels". Men. "Big men" as in powerful.
Beware of fake bible people.
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The book of Enoch is a man made book. Not divine. Same with these other "extra books". The Gospel of Thomas. The Acts of Mary. DO NOT WASTE TIME reading them.
They were not ommitted by conspiracy. They were left out because they are fake and when I say fake they were not given by God and many parts of what they say contradict the bible. They do not offer "other" ideas. They are contradictory.
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There is no rapture.
The 7 year peace treaty is only 3 1/2 years.
Moses and Elijah are DEAD.
1,260 days is 3 1/2 years. 3 1/2 years of peace and 3 1/2 years of Tribulation.
In your last part you missed the 1st resurrection before the great white throne judgment where some are resurrected.
No one lives for eternity. Only God is eternal. We can be everlasting but not eternal as we had a beginning.
Now re-read what I posted. There is no pre-Trib rapture. It is a 1 time post trib event at the 2nd coming and we are NOT in these times.
Moses and Elijah are DEAD in the pit. And there is a 3 1/2 year Tribulation described in the OT and the NT. This is all over the Old testament.
You have to understand that Messianic is NOT the answer. When you keep the Jewish traditions such as Bar Mitzvah, Hannukah, Yom Kippur, etc., you are VIOLATING Torah Law and Torah, the written law, is what Jesus taught. That argument he had with them was they turned the Torah into nothing.
You are not getting it.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
and this…
Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Messianic Judaism, Judaism, ADDS TO THE LAW. It is a major sin.
I want you to read these verses very slowly. VERY S-L-O-W-L-Y…
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
WHEN? At the LAST trumpet. When is that? 7 seals, 7 bowls, 7 trumpets then Christ returns.
AT THE LAST TRUMPET not before. And again…
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Christ descends at the LAST TRUMPET in Rev 19. You posted the same verses I did, but your mind has been preconditioned by your bible study group to think you Baptists are special and somehow go up into space.
No offense, but you do not understand the bible at all. You are espousing Christian dogma. NO ONE dies and goes to heaven or hell. Our goal is to be resurrected and all people will be judged by their works - not their supposed faith in their image of Jesus Christ.
You are telling me all who believed in Moses are in heaven??? What did Jesus say?…
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
NO MAN has ever gone to heaven. Was Jesus lying? And what else did he tell us?…
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
You will be judged by your works not by your image of Jesus.
God loved Israel - not the Jews. As Jesus (God) said…
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers,
As Jesus said…
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
Humans do not go to heaven. You are a misinformed Christian or a shill.
As we also read…
(Rev 21:2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
(Rev 21:3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
God is coming to the earth. Why do you want to go to heaven?
You folks have been taught religious dogma and are dangerous.
You post verses but do not understand what you are posting! You have a pre determined opinion and post verses that you do not read or comprehend to somehow promote your idea when in fact they destroy it. Why don't you vain fucks ever listen to something new?
Do you understand the term "the Lord's Day" or the Day of the Lord? It is all over the OT and the NT. It is AT HIS 2nd COMING after the 7 trumpets. You proved my point.
1Ki_10:9 Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the LORD loved Israel for ever…
2Ch_9:8 Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be king for the LORD thy God: because thy God loved Israel…….
Hos_11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Should I post some more? But remember, Israel does not mean Jews. The 2 are different creatures.
Unless Christians learn to follow the Laws of God NO CHRISTIAN has ever repented anything.
You have been misled when you pose this argument. This is a defeatest argument that "No one can keep all these dang laws so let's just throw ourselves on the feet of Jesus and admit we are sinners".
Do you understand what sin is? In the NT John tells us (1John 3:4) sin is breaking the Law. When you break the Law you are PHYSICALLY hurting you, your friend, your animal, your employee, your relationship with God. etc. There is no good reason to sin.
Also, many people like yourselves are confused as to which laws we are talking about. For example the Sabbath Laws according to the Jews are extensive. They accused Jesus of being a sinner, which we know he never sinned. But according to the Torah Law he followed it and did not sin. The Torah Law is for all people and YES, I TRY TO FOLLOW IT as closely as possible. You need to read the Torah Law - NOT the Jewish Law. As Paul said…
Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
The doers of the Law shall be justified before God. But then Paul says…
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Here he is talking about JEWISH ORAL Law not Torah Law.
The Torah Law was not just for Israelites it is for all people. Israel was supposed to teach this to the world and they did not.For example…
Deu 31:12 Everyone must come–men, women, children, and even the gentiles who live in your towns. And each new generation will listen and learn to worship the LORD their God with fear and trembling and to do exactly what is said in God's Law.
Lev 16:29 On the tenth day of the seventh month of each year, you must go without eating to show sorrow for your sins, and no one, including gentiles who live among you, is allowed to work.
Lev 17:10 I will turn against any of my people who eat blood. This also includes any gentiles living among you.
Lev 20:2 to say to the community of Israel: Death by stoning is the penalty for any citizens or gentiles in the country who sacrifice their children to the god Molech.
Lev 24:22 I am the LORD your God, and I demand equal justice both for you Israelites and for those gentiles who live among you.
So YES, I repent when I learn to STOP eating bacon and pork. Is your body not a temple? You eat pork you are slowly killing it. How does faith in Jesus keep you from killing yourselves when you poison your body?
Your argument is shallow. Yes, you can learn to keep the food laws, sex laws, the Holy Days (NOT Easter), etc. It is not hard. Quit punting your responsibility.
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Read what he is telling you and understand a Jew is NOT an Israelite. And a born again Christian lacks works. You are not following the Law of God and instead wandering through life with some mental image of Jesus in your head and thinking that does all kinds of tricks for you. Please wake up.
As Jesus said…
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
As John says…
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
This thought that says one day you decided to believe in Jesus Christ is the BEGINNING of your journey not the end. Jesus taught TORAH LAW, not Judaism. And Torah Law is for people - not Jews.
Listen, there are about 4 or 5 stories in the NT that see,m to be talking about food, BUT ARE NOT. This is 1 of them not about food.
You see Peter had this same problem in Galatians 2. Paul called him down for what? Leaving the table of the Gentile when the Pharisees walked in. For the Pharisees refer to Gentiles as animals. Same thing in his dream. If you scroll to Acts 10:28 or 29 He TELLS YOU about this vision. God said to call NO MAN unclean. This was about people and his actions to non-Jews.
Now remember in the OT it tells us the food laws are for Israel AND gentiles. A pig is a filthy animal and it did not become clean animal one day because Jesus died. They are not for human consumption. Same with eating blood.
Go read Acts 15:29 and they gave them 4 Torah laws to give to people. They were not telling them NO LAW. Those 4 commands are right out of Exodus.
You better start to eat clean foods or you will most likely pay the price of your sin. Cancer.
Lev 17:10 I will turn against any of my people who eat blood. This also includes any gentiles living among you.
Deu 31:12 Everyone must come–men, women, children, and even the gentiles who live in your towns. And each new generation will listen and learn to worship the LORD their God with fear and trembling and to do exactly what is said in God's Law.
Num 15:14 And the gentiles who live among you must also follow these rules.
He tells you 7 reasons he came. Look them up. For example…
Mat 15:24 But answering, He said, I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. Luk 4:16-19
And of course to pa the PENALTY of sin. Which was animal sacrifice. He did not remove sin. And he does not excuse sin. You must repent, but when you sin you pray to him and learn to do the Law. But no more animal sacrifices. That is another reason he came - to do away with the Levites and take over sin atonement. Read Hebrews 4-10.