Anonymous ID: 80bf51 Jan. 31, 2019, 2:01 p.m. No.4980031   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0097 >>0135 >>0272

yes we all agree this is extreme and wrong

>>4969739 Disgusting video of VA Gov. on abortion: "The baby will be delivered, 'kept comfortable for a few hours' then terminated."

does that mean there is no opposing position that is extreme? The Bible says "JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED" This extreme pro abortion decision is a direcxt result of PRO LIFE EXTREMISM

 

If anons do not recognize the fact that most americans accept 1st trimester abortion as a safe and legal procedure they are every bit as EXTREME

 

and this joyful anticipation of making the abortion supporters as miserable as pro lifers are by enacting more abortion laws is WRONG

 

Now cue the evil baby murderer pro life horror porn and the vile accusations - that is wrong too and unless and until that truth is recognized no justice can or will be done.

Those that love Jesus do not condemn others with horrid epithets and evil names

 

the pro life movement has become yet another tool in the DS cabal arsenal to DIVIDE - will NO pro lifer ever agree to compromise? to consider that millions of ordinary americans do NOT agree with you? If not how are you better than chuck and nancy and the NY fucks?

 

Anons who really want to reduce abortions and stop the craziness in NY and elsewhere? And soon? Easy - be like Trump and make a deal - 1st trimester abortions unrestricted - after that NO ABORTIONS unless proven physical life or health threat to the mother - and then NO money for PP and NO money for abortions

Any takers?

Anonymous ID: 80bf51 Jan. 31, 2019, 2:08 p.m. No.4980106   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0120 >>0127 >>0165 >>0174 >>0189

>>4980064

ANONS YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO INORDERT TO PROMOTE DIVISION - READ THE BIBLE YOURSELF - DO NOT ACCEPT FAKE INTERPRETATIONS THAT DIVIDE

 

GOD DEFINES THE BEGINNING OF LIFE AND ENTRY OF THE SOUL INTO A NEWBORN

Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

GOD COMMANDS ABORTION OF AN ADULTEROUS FETUS:

Numbers 5:11-22 King James Version (KJV)

11 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled…

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

GOD DECREESS THE PENALTY FOR CAUSING MISCARRAIGE - FINE ONLY AS JUDGE/HUSBAND DETERMINE - NOT MURDER

Exodus 21:22 King James Version (KJV)

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

NOTE - pro -lifers cite this very same scripture for the opposite position - most scholars support the traditional and long established conclusion noted above - however, some do argue aganst this - their conclusions are questions - but see this article for full discussion:

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1992/09/the-fetus-in-biblical-law

JESUS DID NOT ALTER THESE LAWS (THOUGH SOME - KOSHER LAWS AND SACRIFICE WERE MADE OBSOLETE BY JESUS)

Matthew 5:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

 

Here is a link to an essay why the Bible does not prohibut abortion: http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/bible.shtml

 

OK so now here are Pro lifers arguments for their position - rebuttal

Fetus are called "babies" in scripture:

“The babies jostled each other within her.” (Genesis 25:22)

This verse symbolizes (or prophecizes) the future conflict between the two lines of Isaac (hebrew) and Esau (arab) resulting from the battle over Isaac's birthrights. it is not intended to be read literally.

And here - "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.(Luke 1:41) - Again this is clearly not intended to be read literally - the "baby" did not leap - it is just a honor and manner of saying that your child (Mary) will be greater than mine (Elizabeth) And that was certainly true.

However, the most quoted scripture in support of the the pro life position is Jeremiah, which refers to God knowing and honoring the fruits of his mother's womb:

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Of course this says nothing at all about when life begins or abortion - it only makes clear that God knew the future and fate of that Prophet BEFORE he even was formed in the womb - not after.

And this Psalm:

For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb…Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be. (Psalm 139:13,16) Again this only states that God knows all and creates all - it says nothing about when life begins or abortion.

Same case for these scriptures:

This is what the Lord says—He who made you, who formed you in the womb. (Isaiah 44:2)

“Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?” (Job 31:15)

And of course the Ten Commandments - "thous shall not murder" is the correct translation but pro- lifers say "Thou shalt not kill" = clearly wrong since killing is condoned in the bible in war, for pusnishment, in self defense etc and is NOT murder.

 

BOTTOM LINE FOR PRO LIFERS AS STATED BY THE CHURCH - READ CAREFULLY:

Full Question

My friend contends that the Bible can't be used to argue against abortion because nowhere in the Bible does it state that abortion is wrong and that life begins at conception. How do I respond?

Answer

Though we don’t find the word abortion mentioned in any biblical text, we can deduce from Scripture, not to mention natural law, reason, Church teaching, and patristic witness that abortion is intrinsically evil.

 

TRANSLATION - TRUST THE CHURCH FATHERS WHO CAN "DEDUCE" THAT ABORTION IS EVIL

Anonymous ID: 80bf51 Jan. 31, 2019, 2:11 p.m. No.4980142   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0240

>>4980120

no

read for yourself anon

no interpretation is needed to read the word

when you listen to other preach about the word you are not reading it yourself

this was the very basis of the reformation

Anonymous ID: 80bf51 Jan. 31, 2019, 2:14 p.m. No.4980175   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0188 >>0300

divisionfagging is the oldest trick inthe cabal book

extreme (ban abortion) begets extreme (NY law)

and thus we are not united

and therefore never a threat to the controllers

WAKE UP ANONS

PUT THIS ABORTION DIVISION ASIDE FOR THE GA

IT WILL WORK OUT BY GODS WILL NOT YOURS

Anonymous ID: 80bf51 Jan. 31, 2019, 2:20 p.m. No.4980241   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0253

>>4980165

You are using strawman arguments anon

you can speak all day in general terms about life and babies and so on - even assuming your statement is correct (and that is far from established) the question is when does a fetus gain some or total protection as an independant "legal" person

that question has been answered - after the first trimester, with certain exceptions

has the system been abused? YES

then enforce the law dont make news ones that only half the people support

that is just as bad as what pro choicers did to you

Anonymous ID: 80bf51 Jan. 31, 2019, 2:23 p.m. No.4980269   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0315

>>4980189

agreed that is one proper division but still MAGA and GA we should be united

if your position is just it will prevail after the GA but NEVER before

further

but judge not yest ye be judged

are you so certain the bible and Jesus support your position and that it should be forced on everyone?

if so where in the bible do you see this?