THEIR NEED FOR SYMBOLISM WILL BE THEIR DOWNFALL V3

>The universal sentiment of the Freemasons of the present day is to confer upon Solomon, the King of Israel, the honor of being their first Grand Master. But the legend of the Craft had long before, though there was a tradition of the Temple in existence, given, at least by suggestion, that title to Nimrod, the King of Babylonia and Assyria. It had credited the first organization of the fraternity of craftsmen to him, in saying that he gave a charge to the workmen whom he sent to assist the King of Nineveh in building his cities.

>That is to say, he framed for them a Constitution, and, in the words of the legend, this was the first time that ever Masons had any charge of his science. It was the first time that the Craft was organized into a fraternity working under a Constitution of body of laws. As Nimrod was the autocratic maker of these laws, it necessarily resulted that their first legislator, creating laws with his unlimited and absolute governing power, was also their first Grand Master.

We're going back, way back, to where this all began. Join us as we trace from the beginning to today, and identify the symbols throughout the ages and how they show the rise and fall of nations time and time again.

This time we discuss the "NEW WORLD" Order, not to be totally confused with the "New World Order". There's something pretty important being hidden about the New World. It just doesn't add up.

Some questions to ponder, add your own:

1) Vikings are now acknowledged to have discovered North America. They called it Vinland. They had colonies there for generations. Official narrative blames local Climate Change for their disappearance. DID YOU KNOW: The Vatican had an officialy Bishop in Vinland in 1121. Think about this. When did we discover America?

2) Ok, look at DNA Haplogroups. You can CLEARLY see that most Natives came from the same Haplogroup that lives in Siberia. This bolsters the "Siberian Indian Americans" theory! Except, perhaps it could bolster a different hypothesis: Tartaria owned North America. Discuss anomolies from Native American lore, tie it into the symboism of the world.

3) Did the so called Conquistadors 'conquer' New Tartaria? Look up the original Mexico City. It was as glorious as Venice. Somehow, it was destroyed and turned back into a lake. Why? What a horrible loss to archeology.. Perhaps they couldn't cover up this destruction as well as they did the others? Perhaps a few buildings got left standing and still hide amongst us today?

4) Does the Louisiana Purchase still subtly affect politics today? Some argue that the whole deal was illegal since Napolean didn't really own the territory to sell it. He basically stole it from the Spanish, which once got it from the French. Why was the Louisiana tract so darn big to begin with? What was actually going on "in there" before it was bought by the USA? Could Spain or France claim it back?

5) This is about where the sordid history of Haiti starts. Knowing Haiti today requires knowing it then. What's the most 'ancient' facts we can find about this place? Why was it so important then? Why today? Is there a continuance between then and now?

5) Could this connect with the Civil War? Was it an attempt for monarchies to be installed in America, under the excuse that half of America was a stolen monarchy to begin with. The rest of America gets conquered by the Kingdom of America, afterall the American government is that of rebels and revolutionaries, not valid for this world. Why did Russia help the North against the South's help of England and France?

And many other questions! The above hopefully inspired some thought.

The purpose of this thread is not just to answer these in isolation, but to show connections that tie it ALL TOGETHER.

If you can, please provide exact dates as much as possible as it would be cool to eventually compile a Chronology of this timeline.

Archive of #3 Bread

>>3979794

http://archive.is/6VCDv

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>>1940204

Archived: http://archive.is/NyPBc

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>>1719707

Archived: http://archive.is/mob16

>>5066932

Yeah ok psycho. You sound like Robespierre during the Reign of Terror in the French Revolution. What's on the menu today? Terror.

Nope, we don't defeat evil by becoming evil.

SUPER HIGH RESOLUTION VERSION OF ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA 1771 EDITION

This is a few years before 1776, it's before the Wars of Napoleon

What secrets and symbols are left exposed here?

https://digital.nls.uk/encyclopaedia-britannica/archive/144133900

>>5079733

https://digital.nls.uk/encyclopaedia-britannica/archive/144133902#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=658&xywh=2456%2C616%2C2712%2C1612

Has anyone ever heard of this? You can clearly see the outline of a long lost, complicated city in google earth.

What the HELL?

>>5122951

Nevermind,

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a21095/ghost-grid-california/

Still interesting

https://archive.org/stream/americanindianu00hain/americanindianu00hain_djvu.txt

After La Hontan had gone up this Long river to the highest

point of his journey, designated on his map, as he claims, he says he

proceeded to obtain information of the country beyond that, which he

gives in his narrative, and says it is derived from some slaves found

among the people at that point, and whom he calls the Mozeemleck

Nation. He says:

"The Mozeemleck Nation is numerous and puissant. The four

Slaves of that country inform'd me that at the distance oi 150 Leagues

from the Place wliere I tlien was, their principal River empties itself

into a Salt Lake of three hundred Leagues in Circumference, the

mouth of which is about two Leagues broad: Tliat the lower part of

that River is adorned with six noble Cities, surrounded with stone

cemented with fat Earth: That the Houses of these Cities have no

Roofs, but are open like a Platform, as you see 'em in the map: That

besides the above mention'd Cities, there were above an Hundred

Towns, great and small, round that sort of sea, upon which they navi-

gated with such boats as you see drawn in the Map: That the People

of that Country made Stuffs, Copper Axes, and several other Manu-

factures, which the Outagamies and my other Interpr,eters could not

give me to understand, as being altogether unacquainted with such

things: That their Government was despotick, and lodged in the hands

of one great Head, to whom the rest paid a trembling submission:

That the People upon that Lake called themselves Tahuglauk, and are

numerous as the Leaves of Trees (such is the Expression that the

Savages use for an Hyperbole) : That the Mozeemleck People supply

the Cities or Towns of the Tahuglauk with great numbers of Little

Calves, which they take upon the above mentioned Mountains: and,

That the Tahuglauk make use of these Calves for several ends, for

they not only eat their Flesh, but bring 'em up to Labour, and make

Cloathes, Boots, &c., of their skins. They added. That 'twas their

Misfortune to be took Prisoners by the Gnacsitares in the War which

had lasted for eighteen Years ; but, that they hoped a Peace would be

speedily concluded, upon which the Prisoners would be exchang'd,

pursuant to the usual custom. They glor'd in the possession of a

greater measure of Reason than the Gnacsitares could pretend to, to

whom they allow no more tliam the Figure of a Man ; for they look

upon 'em as Beasts otherwise. To my mind, their Notion upon this

Head is not so very extravagant ; for I observ'd so much Honor and

Politeness in the Conversation of these four Slaves, that I thought I

had to do with Europeans: But, after all, I must confess that the

Gnacsitares are the most tractable Nation I met with among all the

Savages. One of the four Mozeemleck Slaves had a reddish sort of a

Copper-Medal hanging upon his Neck, the figure of which is repre-

sented in the Map. I had it melted by Mr. do Pontis, Gunsmith, who

understood something of Mettals, but it became thereupon heavier

and deeper colour'd, and withal somewhat tractable. I desired tlie

Slaves to, give me a circumstantial Account of these Medals; and

accordingly they gave me to understand, that they are made by

the Tahuglauk, who are excellent Artisans, and put a great value upon

Buch Medals. I could pump nothing farther out of 'era, with relation

to the Country, Commerce, and Customs of that remote Nation. All

they could say was, that the great River of that Nation runs all along

Westward, and that the Salt Lake into which it falls is three hundred

Leagues in circumference, and thirty in breadth, its Mouth stretching

a great way to the Southward. I would fain have satisfied my curiosity

in being an eye-witness of the Manners and Customs of the Tahuglauk ;

but that being impracticable, I was forc'd to be instructed at second

hand by these Mozeemleck Slaves: who assur'd me, upon the faith of

a Savage that the Tahuglauk wear their Beards two Fingers breadth

long: That their garments reach down to their Knees; that they cover

their head with a sharp pointed Cap; that they always wear a long

stick or cane in their hands which is tipp'd not unlike what we use in

Europe ; that they wear a sort of Boots upon their Legs, which reach

to the Knee; that their Women never show themselves, which perhaps

proceeds from the same Principle that prevails in Italy and Spain;

and, in fine, that this People are always at war with the puissant

Nations that are seated in the neighborhood of the Lake; but, withal,

that they never disquiet the strowling Nations that fall in their way,

by reason of their Weakness: An admirable Lesson for some Princes

in the World, who are so much intent upon the making use of the

strongest hand."

>>5079733

The Muscovite Tartary ruled Siberia and the NORTHWEST AMERICAS up until exactly 1775.

What happened in 1775? Catherine the Great crushed the so-called Peasant Uprising. Some uppity guy name Pougachev claimed to be Czar and was going to take back Moscow.

Except….he was a Czar after all. The 1771 Encyclopedia Britannica lists Muscovite Tartary as the largest nation on earth by FAR. Traditional historians will tell you that Siberia was already owned by Russia at this stage, but that's not true.

When they defeated Pougachev (very unlikely his real name, as it translates to Scum) this gave them the entire North East Asia, what we know of as Russia today. Prior to this, the American Colonies could NOT expand west, as it was ruled by Great Tartary.

Look at old maps, it's blank, sometimes says "Here be Giants". Don't you dare go there. But once Pougachev was completely deleted, Catherine started expanding East, and the Americans were in a rush to expand West.

This may have been the impetuous for the Revolution. Are they going to let their English overlords claim all of North America? Or are these colonists going to take it for themselves? Is there some secret deal between the Colonists and the Russians on the timing of it all? History has been clouded and you won't find the answer if you check wikipedia, that's for sure.

This is why Russia had Alaska! This is why Siberian DNA litters all over the American Northwest.

Now, why did Russia help the USA in the Civil War? Well, England was behind the Confederacy and this was their way to take America, they wanted to keep their slave trade going. France was behind the Confederacy as they had a deal to conquer Mexico (which, in hindsight, may have worked out better for them).

Russia however has had a long history of protecting the USA and perhaps there was age old secret treaties between the two nations.

Sure enough, the war ends in 1865, and what happens two years later? Russia sells them Alaska for a paltry sum.

Starting to make sense?

>>5159131

Just throwing it out there but lets have fun..

Many theorise that the Ashkenazi Jews are actually Khazarians. Except, what if that's not right. Fomenko proves quite nicely that history before 1000ad is extremely sketchy and likely wrong or faked. So the story of the Khanite must be fake, since it happened in the 800s. But what was in the area of the Black Sea?

Tartaria.

Romanov's eventually destroy and conquer Tartaria.

But then the "Jewish" Communists destroy the Romanov's and effectively conquer all of Russia and turn it Communist.

What if.. the Jews are the Tartarians?

Note that this would work well with Fomenko's assertion that Moscow is the "Third Rome" and also the "Second Jerusalem"

>>5159457

Tartary was the 12 Tribes of Israel

ATTN: EDGE OF WONDER PRODUCERS

I'm almost certain you've been to this dedicated bread in the past. Can you come here to chat? I would like you to do a show on Tartaria. Before you do that I would need to prep you on Fomenko so you "get it right" as it's very easy to misunderstand this brilliant man.

For those who doubt the existence of Great Tartaria, BEHOLD:

https://archive.org/details/dictionnairetar00amyogoog/page/n305

A fucking Tartar to French DICTIONARY

>>5313085

We all have our moments of proliferation, and moments of calm. I'm the baker, and likely have posted at least 500 or more posts in the previous 3 breads. I do enjoy your analysis and digging, so don't be discouraged.

Your earlier posts were a little frustrating though, because you would hint at big clues but not give us your theory about it all and instead just tell us to dig more on our own. I respect your method here, but personally what gets me digging deep is when someone makes an astounding CLAIM and then I want to validate it. Someone just throwing evidence around is fun, but if there's no theory being presented, it loses its potent context.

Feel free to speculate and take a shot at what you think is real, and we'll be happy to agree or disagree with you with our own digs.

>>5315325

What came first? The Phoenix or Phoenicia?

The reason Phoenicia is so hard to uncover, despite the claim of it ruling the seas for almost 1000 years, is simple. It didn't exist.

It's a fantasy world by the elite to glorify their past with an ancient and glorious empire.

Their symbol is the Phoenix.

The idea is that they will burn down civilizations at will, happy to do so because the rebirth will be more vibrant and glorious each time.

Where did this idea come from?

Well, when Byzantium and their double eagle finally fell, they became the masters of history. They took current events and purposely rested the events backwards in time. They invented glorious leniages and legends.

They made up the Roman Empire (Rome didn't exist until the middle ages)

They made up the Jewish kings.

How do I know? Because the Empires of Rome and the King's of Judah have virtually identical timelines, characteristics, reign lengths, and all in sequence. Pretty sloppy job. But keep in mind, this is from the age where King's claimed to decent from Odin and Zeus, so they were happy to make up glorious pasts.

By the way, the events described HAPPENED. But they most likely happened in Constantinople (yes, both Italian Rome and Judahs history is a reflection of the real history of middle age Constantinople)

Back to the Phoenix! What did the destroyers of Constantinople do? They burned down their civilization and rose up a glorious new world in the ashes. The Phoenix represents this division in history.

We have almost zero reliable history before 1000ad. Zero. Every book is a copy of a copy of a copy. No originals. Nothing. The earliest reliable written words are max from 800ad. Everything beyond that is PURE SPECULATION.

But the Phoenicians know. The ironic thing is by manufacturing the Phoenicians in the past, they became the real Phoenicians of today. Phoenicians are real, and they worship the burn and rise ideology of the Phoenix.

Witness WW1 and WW2. They are alive and still very much in control of time.

>>5315502

The Phoenix is the burning of this symbolic Eagle.

The Masons put the Double Headed Eagle on their artwork because they know the true secret history of the world.

https://www.stolenhistory.org/threads/the-history-of-rome-has-no-surviving-sources.158/

Here's a great write up that the author dived deep into the facts surrounding the alleged history writers of Rome

>>5316502

>For your knowledge, texts about Lebanon do exists, and that text is in Akkadian, fully translated, by Pritchard, I hope i remember the name correctly anon, forgive my old overloaded brain. But in that text, it is mentioned in WRITTEN history as and ORIGINAL as in AUTHENTIC and FIRST copy of the word LBNN, when pronounced in old language, you will hear it very closely to how you say LEBANON in english now.

Source?

>>5322503

https://wordandsilence.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ancient-near-eastern-texts-relating-to-the-old-testament-i.pdf

The purpose of this work is to make available to students of the ancient Near East-serious students of the Old Testament, we believe, are necessarily such-the most important extrabiblical texts in translations which represent the best understanding which present-day scholarship has achieved .

Many of the relevant texts have been hitherto accessible only in obscure and highly technical journals. Some have been circulated widely in translations which represent a stage of understanding now happily superseded by more thorough study . Yet other texts included here have not hitherto been published in translation into a modern language.

———–

Sorry it's been awhile.

So, I know you probably find me annoying, but everyday I can't help but to love Fomenko more and more.

Of course I haven't read this whole massive tome yet, but I will dig into it later as it seems very interesting. But what really struck me was the introduction.

Again, and again this the case. Where did these "relevant texts" come from? What archives? When did those archives "find' them? Are they "originals" or copies?

My hunch is 100% of the time, every single one of their source documents were "rediscovered" or "surfaced" in the 1300-1500's.

Let me give you an example I just read about. Homer. Homer is completely bullshit. Trojan war happens in 1300BC, maybe 500 years later Homer comes along and writes a 1400 page epic poem about the event, all the while being blind as a bat. He doesn't write it down however. Another 200 years later, some royal decides to have his scribes write down this epic poem that's been memorised by poets for hundreds of years. Then, this writing gets LOST, and only resurfaces in the middle ages. Meanwhile, we have the Franks who make the ABSURD claim that they are direct decedents of the Trojans. What fantasy! Unless, of course, Troy fell in the middle ages, and indeed not long before the Franks migrated to France.

This is a vast simplified summary of what Fomenko wrote on it, so don't criticise me, read it for yourself and I challenge you to challenge his assumptions directly. Not the IDEA of it, but the EVIDENCE of it.

https://archive.org/stream/AnatolyFomenkoBooks/History-FictionOrScienceByAnatolyFomenkoVol.2#page/n145/mode/2up

I know I keep bringing this up. But I am having a tremendously difficult time combating Fomenko's findings. They're VERY IMPORTANT to this research, as it will explain why these secret societies make so absurd claims and what motivates them forward. Once you come to terms that history, as we know it, is less than 1000 years old, it makes you really start digging into the MOTIVE of hiding our collective human history from us.

>>5421436

It is true that stones last longer than paper. However, how do you date writing on the stone? Only in context to what paper has told us and our assumptions of what those papers really said about the area and the assumed year of writing. You find a Roman coin with Constantine nearby, and from paper we can see that Constantine lived in the 300s and thus we'll date everything within the vacinity to being from the 300s. But if we misread the paper and actually "Constantine" lived in the 1200s, then what happens to archeology and all our assumptions?

If we have no Roman coins, then we can study the grammar of the text on the inscription. Except our assumptions about the evolution of grammar are also just that.

All of this is VERY sophisticated and abundant in circular reasoning and verification, we can escape the loop however if we be honest.

If all these myths and legends of yore are statistically identical to each other, then place them in order of increasing complexity. Find events you know for sure happened and if they're reflected with an earlier date, they must actually be clones of the future event sent backward. Now that you've begun your reconstruction, look again at the stones and etchings.

As for the alliance vs cabal? I don't buy the cabal stuff. I've seen some criticize him of such, and literally all of them haven't read his work. They just say he was educated in Soviet Russia therefore he cant be trusted. Nevermind that his research completely flies in the face of Marxist view of the progression of history.

>>5425383

Yes your drops are good, keep it up.

As for Fomenko, you say you leave no stone unturned, have you actually read the bits of Fomenko I've been showing you? It's one thing to read others opinions of him, but you NEED to read him directly because all the critiques I've found so far seem to start by saying they haven't read him!! They just dismiss his ideas out of hand.

By the way, Fomenko talks EXTENSIVELY about grammar.

>>5426214

Wow. Love this French revolution theory!

I'm certain shit really started all around the late 18th century.

1775 Pugoslav Rebellion crushed by Catherine the Great (end of Tartaria)

1776 American Revolution

1789 French Revolution

1804 Napoleon

By the way. Was watching a great documentary on the Byzantine Empire (I'll find it later) but there's this one famous tapestry in Venice where the Emperor put himself above Christ. All the anointed saints from terrestrial origins wear RED SHOES, but the artist slighted the Emperor with black shoes…. The know it all narrator proudly says! What if it wasn't a snub?

Also, Fomenko makes a claim I haven't been able to verify, that Soldiers of Mithras wear Red Boots. Fomenko believes Mithraism precedes Christianity and is an esoteric order of Christians. He actually presents some good arguments for it.

Btw! Just want to be clear that Fomenko 8s NOT opposed to modern scholarship and methods. He employs them expertly! He's extremely scientific and coldly rational.

Imagine picking up Livy and being told to date the events within on our Ad system. The only way to do so is by bouncing off references to other works. Thus if you trust the conclusion of another chronologer, you can reference this and that and throw up a date.

Fomenko looks at ALL the works and legends at once and his team doesn't allow any other chronologers dates be valid. He takes all the knowledge, science, scholarship, archeology methods we have today and begins FROM SCRATCH.

His conclusion is, if we are to date from the nativity, the year is approximately 966ad RIGHT NOW

I mean look at this!

The Gothic war is statistically identical to the Trojan war. They were the same! And neither happened in Rome or Troy, in reality both stories are originally set at Constantinople

>>5433577

https://youtu.be/ASGvE_A3wB0?t=7750

Here's the video I mentioned with a time stamp at the spot (2:09:10)

>>5433998

If Trump is a double agent for the cabal, well… well played!

Whatever, we were gonna be fucked either way. At least Q gives us hope that maybe, just maybe, we can win for once

>>5500903

You're in the wrong thread, faggot shill.

It's supremely ironic that anyone would use Sessions as an anti-Q Proof because Q is distinctly proven THROUGH Sessions.

What day was Sessions fired/resigned? None other than the anniversary of RED OCTOBER. Go search qmap.pub for Red October and Red Line and you'll see dozens of posts about Sessions and the DOJ investigation.

You think Trump can just lovely dovey support Sessions openly? For this to work, everyone NEEDS to think Trump hates Sessions. Make it seem like he's doing nothing. Meanwhile he's setting up Huber and the OIG and sealing tens of thousands of indictments.

>>5501301

Art of War

War is all about Deception

Disinformation is necessary

Won't broadcast our moves to the enemy

So yes, Trump is lying about Sessions.

Lying can be moral.

"Hello, any Jews hiding in your basement?" said the SS Officer doing his rounds.

Would it be moral to lie and watch these Jews rounded up?

Stop being a moralist asshole. Lying can be for a good cause and a virtuous action.

triggered

>>5502855

Agreed, thanks Shills for verifying we're on the right path

Red Shoes

Varangian is the ACTUAL name of the Vikings. Who were the original race of the Rus, who invaded Tartary and eventually erased their history.

Ok folks, I'm going to tie it all together. I'm going to be a bit wild here but please stay with me, it will all start to click together even though I'm going to say a few ABSURD sounding things.

First, my main reference here is going to be

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

Almost a year ago when I started trying to revisit the historical connections to the modern day cabal, I couldn't figure out who were the good guys and the bad guys. Are the Jesuits bad? The Masons hated them. But the Masons are bad too, right? Where do the Jews fit in? What about the Monarchs? Why did England and Spain have such a big tiff in the 1500s? What was really going on in America during the age of discovery? What was going on in Europe at the same time?

Nothing was making sense. It's easy to just think they were being egotistical warlords acting like warlords do, but that's not good enough for me.

For the past 6 months I've been INTENSELY studying Fomenko, and I think he's very much so over the target. So let me summarize what I think happened.

Jesus was a real person, a real event, might not be his real name, but it happened not even a 1000 years ago when the SN_1054 supernova happened in 1054. Fomenko provides some interesting logic that shows this date is actually wrong by 100 years, so it happened in 1154 'ad', and this was the so called Star of Bethlehem.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1054

Forget everything you think you know about the world back then. There was no Roman Empire that fell apart, as Fomenko convincingly shows us, the Roman Empire and many other similar empires such as Judah/Israel, were complete copies of what we know as the Habsberg Empire of the 1500's. It's all about Constantinople. Constantinople = New Rome = Old Rome = Jerusalem = Troy, the epics are ALL describing the same events at the same place, but historians of the 1600's onwards confused the geography and the names and distorted (on purpose?) world history DRASTICALLY.

Now are you getting why they called it the REFORMATION? And also the Renaissance/Rebirth? They were literally rewriting the history of the world.

Back then there was the worldwide empire of Tartaria and the Ataman's. That's it. It didn't splinter off until the 1500's.

Ok, let's say this is true (and it probably is), what does it matter? What is the significance of it all? Who cares if these nations decided to fabricate their history to antiquate their royal lineage? Why did I bring up Jesus? (Btw, I'm Agnostic so don't think I"m going to be going into some Jesus Saves rant here)

Fomenko argues here that there used to be TWO Christianities, a Royal Version for the Royals and eventually an Apostolic version for the people. The Royal Version was coded in grandiose imagery and it's whole purpose was to justify the Divine Right of Kings. From this Christianity comes all the strange myths that we ascribed to "ancient" Greece. Zeus=Jesus.

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/02_06.html#bra8

(read it yourself he does a way better job than me)

When Jesus came he was visited by the highest Czar's of Tartaria (Fomenko calls them the Rus' Hoarde)

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/02_04.html

>To conclude, the Roman Emperors worshiped Christ, calling him Zeus and Jupiter, but at that considered themselves to be Gods too and persistently demanded to be worshiped. The second branch of Christianity – the Apostolic, branch of the people – regarded only Christ to be God and disagreed with the claims of the Royal family, from which Christ originated, to idolize the rulers. A conflict arose. The Royal Christianity began to persecute the Apostolic Christianity. This was the notorious 'Christian ostracism' allegedly in the first centuries AD, i.e. the epoch of the XIII-XIV cc.

>The people's Apostolic Christianity, unlike the Ancestral Royal Christianity, was popular on the mass scale and, what's important, could organize itself and created a stable church, which was called Apostolic. In time it has evolved into a powerful organisation, put up a fight against the Royal Christianity, and in the end has won. Constantine the Great, aka, as we show it in [КР], czar-khan Dmitriy Donskoy, molds Apostolic Christianity into the state religion of the entire gigantic 'Mongol' Empire. Since then the czars-khans of the Empire ceased to be the Gods. This upheaval took place at the end of the XIV century and was far from painless. This matter was resolved in the major Kulikovo Battle in 1380. The great importance, which was given to the Kulikovo Battle and its numerous representations in world history, also becomes clear.

Holy shit right?

>>5810133 (Masonic dubs of truth!)

So remember, Spain didn't really exist. It was all Tartaria and Ataman (we know them as Ottoman now). So what the fuck was this Elizabeth vs Spain shit? What's with her war with the Pope? What significance did sinking the Spanish Armada really have? What was the Arian Herasy really about? Could it have been an Aryan Heresy, and the reason it was so popular is not over some substance issue about the Nature of Christ, but because the Christ of the Heresy was fucking ZEUS? Constantine STAMPED THAT OUT.

Restoring the 'Greek' Myths (btw, Fomenko argues as well that Greek actually means Christian) wouldn't work anymore, but a few hundred years before this even "Constantine" upset the apple cart and discredited many royal families from ruling, declaring the holy books supporting their authority to be heretical and wrong. Well, these powerful people will certainly fight back?

Enter Elizabeth, who sinks the Tartarian Armada and completely fucks up their worldwide power, and also their LONG existing connection to the New World

(http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_22.html#the23). Meanwhile, Ivan the Great triples the size of Rus and beats back many Tartarian Czars. The Royal Blood was fighting back against the worldwide Hoard and Apostilic Christianity.

The Jesuits were a response to the Reformation, but I argue that they were the enforcers of the very Reformation they claimed to oppose. They basically infiltrated the Vatican to ensure that the rewrite would go smoothly. The Pope, no longer having military backup from the Hoard was powerless to fight it.

The Nazis, embracing a Nordic twist on Christianity, exemplifying the Aryan Race were in reality bringing back the Royal Christianity - the Arian Heresy.

The Vatican has been compromised since at least the 1500's. In fact, the Pope used to rule from Constantinople, the Vatican in Rome is a fake.

>How old is the Vatican building?

>Construction of the present basilica, which would replace Old St. Peter's Basilica from the 4th century AD, began on 18 April 1506 and was completed on 18 November 1626. St. Peter's is famous as a place of pilgrimage and for its liturgical functions.

Also notice how the English royalty are very commonly actually German nationals? Who did Rome wage war on so much? The Goths? The Germans? Well, in the Fomenko Reconstruction, it was Constantinople versus the Germans. And again, it's Germany trying to restore the Arian Heresy.

THEIR NEED FOR SYMBOLS WILL BE THEIR DOWNFALL

I'm strongly thinking of making a special bread for New Chronology research as it relates to the Cabal

For example, I'm trying to figure out if the Masons are good. On the one hand, when Grande Tartary fell in 1775 when the last Czar Pugachev was defeated, that freed up the American Northwest for conquest. But perhaps the Masons were a secret society of Tartarians that wanted to ensure they kept the land away from the rebirthed Arian Royals, and thus sparked the American Revolution to create an independent Nation. Otherwise, King George was about to roll all over the western lands and claim all of North America for England. The Declaration of Independence HAD to happen in 1776, or Tartaria would be lost and erased forever.

>>5810137

This theory neatly explains why the Masons have been so prevalent in American origins and construction. The most recognized symbol, the Statue of Liberty, is from the Masons and was built upon a "star fort" formation.

I'm starting to strongly wonder if Masons are indeed fighting to overthrow the "Old Guard"

And this is what Q meant that Nazism is a subgroup of something much larger.

The Old World Order is that of the Ancient Rule of Kings, justified what we call Greek Mythology

Remember what the NZ Shooter said, "See you in Valhalla"

>>5810280

I just randomly came upon this video, and it relates to what I just wrote but I think this guy needs to consider the context I just provided.

Could it be that all the people presenting this hand symbol, including Jesus with a Beard looking like Zeus, are actually the very people I described as Arian Christians who waged war to completely obliterate Tartaria and the original Apostolic Church? Is their endgame to eventually "discredit" the Vatican and bring back the Old Myths of Yore? It always struck me as odd how the nobility were obsessed with the old Mythologies while at the same time claiming to be the most pious Christians out there, but Fomenko gives a very compelling reason why this would be the case.

Indeed, at 3:10 we have Hitler also doing this symbol.

>>5811986

nice!

>>5818552

That's a great question! When I was first unraveling this mess, I was plagued by it as well. I haven't had time to dig in Whitby but I'll just say that I would bet that this event was simply either misdated or reflected into the past. Naturally, if Jesus didn't exist until 1154 then there's no way they could be discussing his birth in the 600s.

The problem is, how can you show anyone was discussing such a thing in 600? I gaurantee you that an original manuscript has been lost to the wind. I suspect knowledge of the event only resurfaced, as it always does, in the 1500s by some monk exploring a dusty spider cave?

Fomenko doesn't specifically talk about this one but he does talk about how the Council of Nicea was a phantom reflection of the Council of Trent and that the canon wasn't settled until then (he goes further to assert that the Bible itself was rather recently written)

The thing about Fomenko is you can't just dismiss him because his argument sounds absurd. That's obvious. It sounds ludacris. But when you look at HIS WORK (not mine, or anyone trying to grasp his genius or deride it) there is a simplicity to his complex idea. Take a look again, an honest look, at the graphics I provided. How can you not agree that the 2nd/3rd Roman empire were carbon copies of each other with slight tweeks in location and events?

>>5814812

Can you please clarify your question?

I'm very curious about the Romanovs, what a curious name!

I started this bread almost a year ago, we have almost 3k posts on all sorts of wild digs.

My obsession was with Phoenicia. I was convinced they were somehow pivitol to it all. I read absolutely everything we think we know about them. Made some awesome connections symbolically. But I couldn't figure out their disappearance and almost complete lack of written legacy. I mean, come on! Historians tell us that they literally invented the alphabet and ruled the naval world for hundreds of years, yet not a single story survives?! Hannibal from Carthage? Written by his enemies and his story sounds fake and gay. For example, there's zero evidence of his existence. Nothing!

Then some anon talks about Phantom Time and tells me about Fomenko. Sounds fucking crazy but, I was honestly starting to think that the Phoenicians were misplaced in time, so I wanted to see his thoughts. I'm convinced these child sacrifice assholes are real, but their name is wrong or hidden.

Fomenko makes a STRONG case that Phonecians are the medieval Venicians, and not just because tgey sound alike. CLICK!

As for the Rus, they are Vikings! This whole thing started cuz I noticed Viking and Phoenician ships were identical, despite thousands of years between the cultures. Hmm! And here we have the Vargarians who found Kiev and Novgorod and one day conquer Grand Tartaria!

No coincidences

>>5880334

>My research was mostly made on the ground and from interviews, not just found in maps or in books. It’s not a theory.

With all due respect, this is what Fomenko would say too, as he visited the places he discusses and gets deep into the local lore about the place and takes a good long skeptical eye at the archeology. His synopsis of "Troy" is amazing.

> Of course they don’t tell you about that in history books nor do they mention it in history classes because it will contradict first hand the jewish version that is written in the Bible.

What do you mean? My interpretation from the Bible is that the Phoenicians were very strong and respected and feared…not barren???

>everyone has been “brainwashed” for 2000 years

"2000" years

I'm not sure why you're so willing to accept the historians are lying about details but not lying about chronology? The simplest reason they would do so is to justify their royal lineage. Before universities and cataloged knowledge, and the internet of course, this was a triffle thing to do and Kings invented glorious stories for themselves all the time.

I can't stress this enough, Fomenko never once asserts that this history NEVER HAPPENED. Indeed it did. It just happened in a more compressed timescale and much sooner than (((they))) want us to think.

Look up Pope John XII… Who was he? Are popes Holy? What does Augustus mean? What was John XII's name before becoming Pope? Did he become emperor of Byzantium as a teenager? Did he almost immediately crown Otho I, and do some theorize Otho I then assumed his original name? Did Otho I reign for 37 years? Fascinating. How long did Augustus Octavian Caesar rule for? How strange….could it be.. could John XII be Augustus Caesar?

>They changed demographically a huge area, entire villages where you couldn’t find one jew in it for centuries were suddenly “filled” with jewish families in the census and abracadabra, entire genealogies were created from thin air for those newly installed family.

Yes, exactly what I'm talking about. Easy to do for random nobody families, but for a ruler you'll need a grandiose history. No one will know if you copy someone elses stories, just make sure to change the names and the locations a bit so no one notices…

> And do you remember when Jesus was born, why did Joseph and Mary go to Beit lahem? Wasn’t there a census taking place? So you see, “these sort of census” was made on “purpose” by the Herod dynasty in order to “claim” the jewish origins of the land. All evidence point to a HUGE forgery that was taking place back then.

What evidence? How can we possibly trust the account of Mary and Joe as per the Gospels which were written hundreds of years after the fact and no original manuscript exists? Why does Crimea have a tradition that Mary gave birth to Jesus there? How very strange…

> Another forgery is related to the temple of Jerusalem.

Agreed, except the Temple of Solomon = Hagia Sophia, Jerusalem = Constantinople

>1 – Almost half of the stuff found under the “ruins” of the second temple are fake, as in forgeries made by the Israeli government itself.

They absolutely would be, since the "Jews" of legend never lived there in this way. They lived in Constantinople

>2- A quarter of the objects found there were found in other cities and locations throughout the Middle East, some found in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, and they were stolen or bought and snuggled by Israel and placed into the ground, pretending it’s a big new discovery.

Indeed. I would also add the Dead Sea Scrolls to this list, conveniently found the same year Israel was declared a nation once more. What a coincidence! What great way to cement your right to be there than to find ancient documents that prove you were there?

>3 – They found some authentic objects relating back to the jews, real ones, but they are all dated extremely late in the jewsih history as written, none of them date back to the ancient times like the Israeli government and archeologist pretend they do.

"ancient times" indeed, what are ancient times, after all?

>>5880753

As for the second temple, that was built in Moscow after Constantinople fell

Watch this. It's awesome.

I seriously wonder what astounding connections you could make with your knowledge if you just open your mind to the notion that our history isn't as long as we thought.

No one is saying humanity didn't exist before 1000 years ago. Its just that history over 1000 years old seems to be (sometimes) fabricated, duplicated, reflected, embellished and (mostly) misunderstood. Fomenko blames unvocalized script for most of the confusion. PRS = PARIS? OR P-RUSS? PRUSSIA?

>>5880753

Ok fine I can keep Fomenko aside for a minute. I just get excited when I see some evidence that Jerusalem isn't what we think, so far I think he's got a good idea about it.

I didn't mean to negate your own experience, it's certainly more epic than my own. I'm just a keyboard warrior, if you've gotten your hands dirty in the mud and stone, well, I envy you.

So you're saying that Herod manipulated the Census to show that Jews had a rightful stake in Israel of the day? That there was no original temple in Jerusalem and the relics found there were placed there from all over elsewhere?

>>5882416

I'm fascinated by Diocletian and his reforms, especially money. I mean, how can an ancient kingdom that barely can afford paper keep track of such a logistically complicated thing like inflation? I was suprised to hear they had that problem. I figured back in those days a gold coin was static in value. Like, could you imagine being robbed on the highway, offering the robber your bag of gold coins, and he throws it to the ground saying he doesn't want your worthless pennies? Something is odd about it.

But yes, you do make good observations that it does seem to be a classic trick. Manipulate money, manipulate demographics (or at least the stats of them).. Man, you just got me thinking about how the heck they could even do a census in those days. Imagine someone going around with papyrus from house to house then someone in the kingdom collecting all that paper and having to write it all out in a master report? I'm sure they found ways, but.. wow..

Anyway, so if the temple in Jerusalem is much more modern than they claim (personally, I suspect much younger, but that's not important), then where do you suspect the original Solomon's Temple was? Or was there one?

>>5882416

https://qresear.ch/?q=thomas+anon

>>5892246

You're funny, that made me laugh. Honestly, when I first considered Fomenko I thought it would sound a lot like that, just harping on simple similarities. In the power games, there are only a finite number of plays to make afterall. What floored me is how the reigns of the rulers line up, one after the other, almost exactly the same length of time. And then, within each of those rulers, very similar and unique aspects line up too. I really don't want to believe it, it's so crazy, I would never utter these words to someone in person.. But I have a hard time denying what was presented, the comparisons are striking.

Anyway, that's cool you can keep the Temple all to yourself. I was looking forward to the headline "8ch Anon finds lost Temple of Solomon!" haha!

As for the Jews, Israel means fighter for God, Judea means praiser of God. Could those actually be descriptions not people? For example, a Crusader was an Israelite?

>>5901198

Explain

Required viewing for this thread

>>5921163

pt2

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pt3

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pt4

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pt5

Absolutely incredible work, good job EOW

>>5921163

Fast forward to 11min mark (or watch the whole thing)

QEII descends from the Prophet Mohamed?!

>>6017691

This is related to the NWO research how?

>>6038923

Not sure if you explained already, if zo just refer me to your response. But curious to know your thoughts on why this is so bad? How do you see this playing out? I'm not familiar with the modern politics of the region, been too busy with ancient history (want to get a grasp on that before getting to current events)

>>6050936

I laughed when I saw that shill directly mock you, consider it a badge of honor. Think about it, that shill had to have been actually reading your posts for awhile to be able to make that kind of jab at you.

And this thread has always been about whatever wild ideas you can muster. Throw it at the wall and let's see what sticks. We've talked from Giants to Vikings to Saturn being the Sun. All bets are off.

It's hard to censor against anything when you don't know what the truth is in the first place. So who am I to call out anyone for "spreading misinfo" or whatnot. It's clear history is a convenient tale to justify the power of those who rule the world, so why should we accept it at face value?

If even one spark of inspiration that can come from these threads that leads to an actual, big, significant discovery – then, well, that's what we're here for.

Of course, this is all in context of Q and his symbolism drops. I've always been intrigued by the mystery cults that seemed to disappear but then seemed to still remain underground up to this day. Why were the poets and nobility of the middle ages so obsessed with reviving the ancient Greek pantheon on one hand while on the other vying to be considered the most pious Christian in the world? Theories that suggest that such cults aren't so far back in time, and that the nobility weren't reviving the Greek myths but instead living them and actively writing them, intrigue me the most.

The Shill mentioned Trump being destined to become POTUS as an attack. Indeed, various mythologies art pieces adorn his golden penthouse. He seems to admire Apollo greatly.

Fomenko would grin. The shill is right, but now how he thinks hes right. Look at Trump's comments ON Christianity. He seems to be a very different kind of Christian.

He likely follows Royal Christianity. This is often confused for Greek Mythology. Fomenko argues Royal Christianity IS Greek Mythology and does NOT predate Jesus nor does is it pagan. Zeus and Apollo are merely analogies of Jesus and the same story. What we have in our hands is corrupted and barely understandable, but those who've been involved in the Royal line (Trump) for centuries know the real meanings behind the myths we all dismiss.

Baker here.

Wow we're about to approach bake #5! When I first made these threads I had no idea we would get over 3000 posts and still going strong!

I can't bake today but I'll bake on Monday, so if this gets full Pls be patient

Meanwhile, I would like to change/update the thread preamble.

Thomas Anon in particular, if you would do the honour of writing up a series of QUESTIONS that you think we should focus on in the next thread, I would be happy to include them

This is an open offer to any anon who would like to influence the direction of the next thread. Please respond with as many or few questions/topics you'd like me to add.

Thanks everyone

WWG1WGA

>>6090694

I like it but worry that it's too arty for the header and might scare people form what this thread's about

>>6097007

Not sure, but based on a few back/n/forths with him he feels like a legit person asking for truth. If you worry about him hogging too much of the conversation then feel free to post more about what interests you

My main issue is that I'm 90% now believing that there's no way that the Jerusalem of legend is in Palestine. At all.

FRESH BREAD

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