>>5962076

anandasattvaanon

so you are pointing that we are at the collapse of a kondratiev wave. I can't help but agree. I have adopted 4th turning as it's easier to explain to people that care to ask and in many ways they are similar in explanatory power. but yes, I spent many years learning timescales of kalpas and kotis

in my studies of sutras and like you I understand the scale of time in relation to man's existence on Earth and for that matter the existence of Earth in the solar system. I had pegged October of last year, the only new information that made me revise we might miss it is that this place brought to my attention that efforts were coordinated on the collapse side (I was just thinking man in the aggregate would experience systemic failure a la minsky since issues from 2008 were never properly addressed) but not only that, people were coordinated on the conflict avoidance / justice side. so I see above me some posts that are empty. are those yours and related to the topic at hand?

>>5963800

ok so I think I missed some information earlier but based on your reply I follow. I agree 100% with the "it doesn't have to be that way" approach to this. yes things have been moving to a head for a long time. I trace it back for practical purposes to the 1970s and the 1980s which was when corporations started to push back against customers and developing countries experienced the lost decade after Mexico defaulted. of course it's a bit arbitrary to pick a point and say it started here, Because convincing cases could also be made that the end of WWII set this up or further back to another point in time even. it's purely for convention and the purposes of my comprehension. yes Years ago when I became convinced this was coming I decided I would chose where I would make my stand. I chose to be here in my home where I was raised because I know the kettle of my neighbors as we experienced Katrina together. if the shit is about to hit the fan than I am in the best place I can be, the alternative was to leave this place and relocate for work, but that made know sense given I took this pattern I percieved as highly likely. economic tensions rise, and man's almost knee jerk reaction at least for the past 200 years or so has been to remedy it with conflict. but I too am convinced there is another way and if we can as mankind thread this needle we will see a new golden age of some kind.

>>5964936

mettle not kettle

>>5969862

is it just Basel iii that's got you this concerned? events in NK with the breakaway group and events in Venezuela together with exec order regarding e.m.p.s paint a picture that has my attention. but I value your ability connect the dots and would like to know your take

>>5970220

sorry. somehow the board is lagging I look back and you answered my questions

>>5969910

aloha as well Thomas. the economic impact you describe are actually what is was foreseeing and your description just now helped me understand what human behavior would occur at the same time. yes I have been doing my part here for a year or two before learning of Q. people just file me away as eccentric and that is fine. I used to joke if I see the rain coming and no one listens then the best thing I can do is be the man with umbrellas. When trump was in primaries I realized at a certain point he was inevitably going to when barr repubs pulling a Julius ceasar at the convention. shortly after I realized that I had to update my horizon and thought does this change anything else I see coming round the way? My initial answer was no. however, I further had to revise this all when confronted with all of this. so it looks like our odds given all above is such, as 50/50. that's still better than my Outlook this time last year.

know your neighbors. have a rally point separate from your main base for retreat.

>>5970426

oh yes I follow. when I worked for art Laffer I had to research into the requirements changes entailed in be. that was years ago though and only a week or so back did it get back on my radar and it was with respect to the role of gold. honestly I could kick myself for not seeing it. I was thinking it was going to be moves by China to get others to recognize the Yuan as a substitute for dollars with respect to oil purchases. a petroyuan to undermine the petrodollar. but yes this ie likely much worse if gone without proper mitigation.

>>5970693

I am a bit confused but I know that's ok. I must admit your word choice and written mannerisms I couldn't quite match with any region or country. but I chalked that up to the age difference. no matter though. you are correct man is capable of unspeakable things and that's one of the reasons I drew that line and stepped forward in for this battle before I knew it was a fight. Gita taught me the meaning of karma. I fight as a human that will die in hopes that human spirit can find itself

>>5970787

yup vlads been preparing for some time. it's one reason I hope to be surprised. at this moment at least we have an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation with Russia and I have a hunch that POTUS and Vlad understand that although cultures may differ we could drop the tension and work together on many things. unfortunately push may come to shove and prevent that

>>5979839

got to the main research thread. in all the material at the top around notable list it mentions a manner to get er done

https://www.timesofisrael.com/two-tiny-first-temple-inscriptions-vastly-enlarge-picture-of-ancient-jerusalem/

>>5997697

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/30/opinion/sunday/jerusalem-city-of-david-israel-dig.html

anandasattvaanon

for Thomas these were on drudge. for some time his selection seems to indicate he's compromised. so likely these are political stories in the guise of archeology. just wanted your take

>>5997697

Tiny First Temple find could be first proof of aide to biblical King Josiah

Rare seal impression from 8th century BCE, bearing the name Nathan-Melech, found in dig at large Iron Age administrative center in Jerusalem’s City of David

By AMANDA BORSCHEL-DAN 31 Mar 2019,

Two minuscule 2,600-year-old inscriptions recently uncovered in the City of David’s Givati Parking Lot excavation are vastly enlarging the understanding of ancient Jerusalem in the late 8th century BCE.

The two inscriptions, in paleo-Hebrew writing, were found separately in a large First Temple structure within the span of a few weeks by long-term team members Ayyala Rodan and Sveta Pnik.

One is a bluish agate stone seal “(belonging) to Ikkar son of Matanyahu” (LeIkkar Ben Matanyahu). The other is a clay seal impression, “(belonging) to Nathan-Melech, Servant of the King” (LeNathan-Melech Eved HaMelech). Nathan-Melech is named in 2 Kings as an official in the court of King Josiah.

This burnt clay impression is the first archaeological evidence of the biblical name Nathan-Melech.

The inscriptions are “not just another discovery,” said archaeologist Dr. Yiftah Shalev of the Israel Antiquities Authority. Rather, they “paint a much larger picture of the era in Jerusalem.”

According to Shalev, while both discoveries are of immense scholarly value as inscriptions, their primary value is their archaeological context.

“What is importance is not just that they were found in Jerusalem, but [that they were found] inside their true archaeological context,” Shalev told The Times of Israel. Many other seals and seal impressions have been sold on the antiquities market without any thought to provenance.

This in situ find, said Shalev, serves to “connect between the artifact and the actual physical era it was found in” — a large, two-story First Temple structure that dig archaeologists have pegged as an administrative center.

“It is not a coincidence that the seal and the seal impression are found here,” said Shalev.

>>5998812

According to archaeologist Prof. Yuval Gadot of Tel Aviv University, in the 8th century BCE, this area of the City of David becomes the central administrative center of Jerusalem. The newly unearthed two-story public building, constructed with finely cut ashlar stones shows, illustrates the beginning of a westward move of the administration area in the large sprawling city.

The multi-room large structure bears clear signs of destruction in the sixth century BCE, which likely corresponds to the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BCE, according to the IAA press release. The destruction is evident through large stone debris, burnt wooden beams and numerous charred pottery shards, “all indications that they had survived an immense fire.”

The large administrative center, said Shalev, is further down the slope of the City of David than where some archaeologists had envisioned a First Temple-period city wall. Through this evidence of a large administrative center, scholars are beginning to understand that Iron Age Jerusalem saw the beginning of the western spread that continued in the future historical eras, including the Persian and Hellenistic periods.

“These artifacts attest to the highly developed system of administration in the Kingdom of Judah and add considerable information to our understanding of the economic status of Jerusalem and its administrative system during the First Temple period, as well as personal information about the king’s closest officials and administrators who lived and worked in the city,” said Gadot and Shalev in the IAA press release.

For linguists, the pair of one-centimeter inscriptions are likewise opening new scholarly horizons. Based on the script, Dr. Anat Mendel-Geberovich of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Center for the Study of Ancient Jerusalem dates them to mid-7th century to early 6th century BCE.

On the blue stone seal, written in mirror writing from left to right, is inscribed the name “(belonging) to Ikkar son of Matanyahu” (LeIkkar Ben Matanyahu). Private stamps were used to sign documents, and denoted the identity, lineage and status of their owners, according to the IAA.

The word “Ikkar,” meaning farmer, appears in the Bible and other Semitic languages, according to the Hebrew Language Academy. However, it is only used in the context of the agricultural role, not as a personal name. According to the linguist Chaim Rabin, the word Ikkar came to Hebrew through Akkadian, after being adopted from Sumerian, which is not a Semitic language.

Mendel-Geberovich believes “Ikkar” refers to a personal name rather than an occupation. If so, this would be the first evidence of such a name. The other portions of the inscription are more familiar to biblical Hebrew linguists: “The name Matanyahu appears both in the Bible and on additional stamps and bullae already unearthed,” said Mendel-Geberovich.

What is most likely to capture popular interest is the burnt clay seal impression, which features the words: “(belonging) to Nathan-Melech, Servant of the King” (LeNathan-Melech Eved HaMelech).” The fact that it was written without a surname indicates his fame is on par with celebs of today, such as singers Madonna or Adele.

The name Nathan-Melech appears once in the Bible, in the second book of Kings 23:11. An official in the court of King Josiah, the biblical Nathan-Melech took part in implementation of widespread religious reform: “And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entrance of the house of the Lord, by the chamber of Nathan-Melech the officer, which was in the precincts; and he burned the chariots of the sun with fire.”

>>5998819

While the biblical account uses a different title than that impressed on the ancient clay, the title “Servant of the King” (Eved HaMelech) does often appear in the Bible to describe a high-ranking official close to the king. According to the IAA, the title appears on other stamps and seal impressions that were found in the past. In ancient times, seal impressions, or bullae, were small pieces of clay impressed by personal seals (such as the “Ikkar” seal) to sign letters.

But is this the very same biblical Nathan-Melech? That’s still a matter of interpretation.

Doron Spielman, vice president of the City of David Foundation, which operates the City of David National Park, said, “This is an extremely exciting find for billions of people worldwide. The personal seal of Natan-Melech, a senior official in the government of Josiah, King of Judah, as described in the second book of Kings. The ongoing archaeological excavations at the City of David continue to prove that ancient Jerusalem is no longer just a matter of faith, but also a matter of fact.”

However, scholar Mendel-Geberovich isn’t as quick to confirm the tie.

“Although it is not possible to determine with complete certainty that the Nathan-Melech who is mentioned in the Bible was in fact the owner of the stamp, it is impossible to ignore some of the details that link them together,” said Mendel-Geberovich diplomatically.

>>5997724

Can an Archaeological Dig Change the Future of Jerusalem?

By Bari Weiss

Photography by Mauricio Lima

MARCH 30, 2019

JERUSALEM — I want to tell you about a piece of clay the size of my pinkie fingernail and the color of ash. It is called a bulla, and it is what the people of the ancient Near East used before the invention of rubber bands or paper clips. They would roll up their papyrus, wrap cords around the bundle and secure it all with a bit of clay. The clay would then be stamped with a seal — the primitive version of a John Hancock.

This particular bulla was dug out of the ground in October by an archaeologist named Yuval Gadot. In the many years he’s been spading the earth in this city, Dr. Gadot, a professor at Tel Aviv University, has found several bullas.

This one is special. “This bulla connects to a whole context, a whole world, that we have been uncovering in this spot,” Dr. Gadot explained.

>>5998843

The spot he’s talking about is the City of David — the mound of ancient Jerusalem — which archaeologists have been trying to uncover for 150 years.

When most people think of Jerusalem they think of the walled Old City: the place that contains the Western Wall and the Aqsa Mosque and the Via Dolorosa and inspires more religious fervor than perhaps anywhere else on earth. But the Jerusalem of the Bible is a modest, narrow ridge just outside the walls. Yuval Baruch, the Jerusalem regional archaeologist of the Israel Antiquities Authority, described it this way: “Jerusalem was the capital of Judean kings and that capital was located in what we call today the City of David.”

Archaeologists have been engaged in a ferocious debate about whether a king named David literally built his palace here. Dr. Gadot, who belongs to the school of archaeology known as biblical minimalism, is skeptical. But almost all agree on the big picture, which is that the 11-acre mound is the seat of the Davidic dynasty, which begot what we now call Jewish civilization.

>>5998848

“You cannot cast doubts over the importance of this place. This is the acropolis of Israel,” Dr. Gadot said.

There is just one problem. The acropolis of Israel is being unearthed in East Jerusalem, which much of the world does not regard as belonging to the state of Israel. And it is being unearthed, at least in part, beneath the homes of Palestinians, from land that those Palestinians want to be incorporated into their future state.

If any archaeological dig in this part of the world is bound to hit on ethnic, national and religious fault lines, this one is the Middle Eastern equivalent of the San Andreas. Because in Jerusalem, the contest over the city’s past is part of the war over its future.

>>5998858

The archaeologists hard at work uncovering ancient Jerusalem are not consumed with borders and politics. They aren’t looking up. They are looking down, at olive pits and shards of clay, and thinking about what they tell us about the past.

They say this latest find, this bulla (the discovery of which has not been previously reported), is from the middle of the seventh or beginning of the sixth century B.C., judging by the style of writing on it and the pottery found next to it. This was the period when the First Temple stood in Jerusalem, the heyday of the Judaic monarchy. It was the period when Jews were not yet Jews but Judahites, when they worshiped their God by slaughtering animals, when many among them still secretly practiced magic and prayed to idols — more than 500 years before the Jew now known as Jesus was born.

A name has been stamped into its surface. If you read ancient Hebrew, the words are easily decipherable: “l’Natan-Melech Eved haMelech,” or “to Natan-Melech, the king’s servant.” Natan-Melechappears in the second Book of Kings as a chamberlain in King Josiah’s court.

“Natan-Melech himself is a kind of a mystery,” said Dr. Gadot. “But what he was a part of — a very developed monarchy that expressed itself through bureaucracy and writing — is hugely significant. We hear about the big empires in Mesopotamia, but for the creation of our civilization, this is the cradle.”

I posted it all for each. read only as needed. I ask because I recall one of my archeology instructors saying that around the 1970s a sort of archeological arms race began between israelis and Palestinians in sort a 1 upsmanship over who could establish earliest claims to the area

>>5999058

someone pondered about faking death earlier in the general thread. if the nagas or reptois or whatever they are do walk among us then they essentially would be in a position to fake death if they have a lifespan greater than that of a human, yeah?

>>5999429

well to tackle seriously the question you pose I would think mating habits would need be known. is it an egg like gestation or mammalian? is it sexual or asexual etc… I don't know if anything meaningful could be gotten at without some of this info.

>>5999541

well, in one respect I am sure Barry let the base depreciate as though he had follow through and would shut it down so there is that. additionally to your question I honestly don't know what containment would entail in such a scenario

>>5999058

I take it you may know lore?

>>6000633

I recall only little from sutras. it was clear they were mentioned enough that various authors through time wrote as though they were given

>>6003134

aren't you just he obvious dick. various people asked him for information and queries.

anandasattvaanon

Thomas i just read this in an article in the general thread. its about the Bronfman's tied into the nxivm affair. does the same name jump out at you that jumps out to me?

"In a decision he would later call “really naïve,” Bronfman remarried Georgiana—“to keep my young girls with me,” he wrote—but the relationship soon collapsed again. For the rest of their childhood, the girls would visit their father, who owned estates outside Charlottesville, Virginia, and in Westchester County, a home in Sun Valley, and an apartment on Fifth Avenue. But their lives would be centered in England and in Kenya, where their mother, who was reportedly involved with the noted paleontologist Richard Leakey—and who is currently married to actor Nigel Havers—spent much of her time."

does this seem like indication of cabal fieldwork to you? the leakeys?? how does a bartender from england that married into north american old money end up with physical anthropolgists renowned for their findings on early man and predecessors?

>>6016961

just read this. give me some time and this evening i'll get back with you

>>6017577

here i pulled this from other threads. thought they might be of interest

>>6023500

you just assume we are all heathen, then?

anandasattvaanon

sorry so late with reply. ive been racking my brain trying to line up the sorts of knowledge I have of relevance. i realize a lot of it is lore moreso than hard info regarding facts on ground. regarding early settlements I did find this though and maybe it will shed light on your geo-hubt for a river near mountain.

http://www.ushistory.org/civ/8a.asp

summary is the early settlement would correspond moreso with af-pak area rather than Ganjes.

the first thing that popped into my mind about your inquiry is Mt. Meru. it is considered of great importance in some strands of Buddhism particularly Tibetan. you will have to check and see if its real, but whether or not it is, isnt meru an important mountain in tradition in Near East as well?

on another note related to tibetan buddhism and the digs we do here, I think it important to raise attention to the story of how they came to adopt Buddhism.

Tibetans were originally a people associated with a death cult called Bon.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bon-Tibetan-religion

The buddha dharma arrived to them by way of a cultural hero named Padmasambhava (lotus born).

Now the translation of this story that I read was by w.y. evans-wentz. seriously to this day I will tell you save yourself the time and accept no substitute. He provides gloss and logic for his translation in footnotes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padmasambhava

So to summarize my recollection of the story padma basically came forth from subterranean via a lotus. he was already a kid upon discovery. He was highly intelligent, possessed other supernatural powers, and flew around. I kid you not very few things do I read and think this sounds like an account of contact with a nonhuman

like a lone alien or some such. but that was exactly my impression as I first studied this text. It did not ever make mention of others affiliated with him (whether he was 1 of a kind or there were more). He is attributed as the person that discovered buddhism and brought it to tibet. think fedex for documents only its a little green man. That was another aspect that struck me as odd… I understand we venerate our cultural forebears and sometimes even exaggerate to the point of legend… but to go as far as positing this icon as not a god (because buddhism treats a gods existence as one among many kinds of existence) but a friendly visitor that passed through and foretold of more to come in times of need.

that more to come was what are called termas and these are understood as important knowledge hidden away all over the earth and they would only be found each when needed. Think exactly like circumstances of dead sea scrolls.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terma_(religion)

why do i bring all this up and think its important to mention? after typing this and pulling those links I think I see part of the reason: Thelema and Crowley related traditions incorporate practices from tantra yoga. tantra yoga developed in the region nearabout including Tibet and Nepal. in Tibetan schools tantra is called Vajrayana but its tantra. its not sex magik per se but the lineage of practice originating with Bon. dollars to donuts this is part of the matter.

>>6025190

im good got jesus in my life thx.

>>6027667

upon further thought Thomas if you are thinking what I am thinking with re to your geo questions maybe also look to the northern side of the Himalayas in Southern china. i recall some folklore of unique settlements of people unlike traditional Han, genetically other.

>>6027826

>>6036306

to your second question buddha can be a holy man yes. rarely and in modern times only has the notion of buddha been tied to anything like nihilism or athiesm. it in all my years of studying it i can explain it like this: God as we understand it in the Western tradition is optional to Buddhism. Many mistake that for God has no place in it. I myself have no problem calling myself all of these things simultaneously: a buddhist a taoist and a christian. regarding padmasambhava being the first buddha, I think I can say no. based on the dates and all I know, siddhartha guatama is the only person in any tradition considered the first buddha. as far as the tibetans are concerned though, padma might as well be. its the same in china with bodhidharma. india was a very advanced civilization in terms of what we consider intellectually modern. they had linguists grammarians logicians (i know because i have read tracts of these for myself) and the rig veda (holy book of the Hindu) makes reference to working with material found from meteors (iron is what remains of meteors that fall a dont burn up). so although there is no name earlier than siddhartha guatama there is no reason to think it wasnt transmitted to him by someone else.

Honestly, the lost defining feature of buddhist sutras are that they read almost like science fiction because when it gets into diefied buddha the lessons are contained in stories and the stories are of a teacher expounding a lesson or answering a question and these pedagogical demonstrations take place in pocket dimensions or outside space-time. heavy i know but thats the best way I can encapsulate it.

>>6037694

most defining not lost defining