POTUS SAYS BTFO AGAIN
when are the pro lifers going to learn?
yes 80% of america DOES NOT SUPPORT late term abortion and abortion abuses
but 80% of american DOES SUPPORT abortion in the early stage and to protect the mother and/or child
compromise or stay in division and misery
>exactly as intended?
this
as it should be
mainstream america will NEVER support a total abortion BAN - NEVER
therefore SCOTUS will never support it either
learn and compromise
stop the division
rebranding of the fake climate change legislation
>go with the minority?
NO
that is the point of the post
abortion ban is the minority
and YES to birth control - prevention is way way better but REMEMBER most pro lifers also OPPOSED that in the 1970's when Roe was decided
latest slide
division faggot
fake and gay
extreme position not rational
tens of millions of ordinary americans - nearly 80% - do NOT support a abortion ban
HISTORICAL - NEXT BIBLE BASED
As long as people have been having sex, there have been women having abortions. The American debate over whether a woman should have the right to end her pregnancy is a relatively new phenomenon. Indeed, for America’s first century, abortion wasn’t even banned in a single US state. And abortion was generally "socially" permissible until a woman felt a fetus move, or “quicken.”
However, this changed dramatically in the 19th century. Social pressure and education had been effective abortion deterrents in the past, but as the morality of America grew more relaxed, abortion gained a larger foothold in American life, so lawmakers started dealing with it specifically and explicitly. In 1821, the first abortion legislation was passed in Connecticut, and lawmakers elsewhere did their best to keep up. New York legislation changed on abortion 10 times between 1828 and 1881.13 The frequency of abortion, however, continued to increase.
During the 1840's and 1850's, 13 states passed laws forbidding abortion at any stage. Three others made abortion illegal after quickening. In 1856, the Iowa Supreme Court held that pre-quickening abortion was not a crime, but in the next legislature, the prohibitions against pre-quickening abortions were restored.
The laws every state passed by 1880 banned abortions in all cases but for “therapeutic reasons” that were largely left up to the medical practice and the legal system to determine. In practice, that meant wealthier women with better access to doctors had abortions, while many other women did not. And as other countries began liberalizing their abortion laws, women who could afford it began circulating pamphlets on how to make the trip.
Abortion made its biggest gains, however, on the back of another infamous and fast-growing American practice: prostitution. By the middle of the 19th century, there were somewhere in the vicinity of 60,000 prostitutes employed in America. With not much in the way of birth control, and with an average of 30-40 sexual encounters a week, frequent pregnancy was a given. Abortionists entered the field driven by profit and the related business of extorting money from the johns.
And the abortion bans were wholly unsuccessful as a total lack of enforcement made such laws almost useless. As one anti-abortion crusader lamented "It is not possible to get twelve men together without at least one of them being personally responsible for the downfall of a girl, or at least interested in getting her out of her difficulty." And as laws continued to go unenforced a general public apathy combined to have a snow-ball effect and opposition to abortion began to lose much of its moral framework.
In medical text books, abortion was counseled against for the potential risks it presented to women rather than for the life it destroyed. "The right to destroy," in fact, became central to the belief system Margaret Sanger began espousing and she celebrated the "virtue" of sexual promiscuity and attacked any women's shelter which counseled otherwise. Margaret Sanger would go on to found Plannned Parenthood.
The final move to repeal the abortion bans in the 1960's was in part driven by doctors appalled at the women with perforated uteruses lining up at emergency rooms and a budding environmentalist movement worried about population growth. The birth control issue split the pro-life community for many years and hamstrung their efforts during the crucial 1960's, when public opinion began to shift in significant fashion.
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2/2In 1962, national news reports of a women who died from an illegal abortion horrified the nation, and "All-American" mom, Sherri Finkbine, became famous for having to go to Sweden to abort the child she feared would be disabled. The average American began to perceive illegal abortion, rather than abortion itself, as the real problem. In 1967, Colorado and California became the first states to legalize abortion for pregnancies that resulted from rape or incest, for pregnancies that threatened the life of the mother, or for pregnancies of severely handicapped children. Over the next three years, Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Maryland, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina and Virginia all followed suit. In 1970 New York became the first state to offer unrestricted abortion during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy. Hawaii, Alaska and Washington soon followed.
Then, suddenly, on a single day in 1973, all the remaining 19th-century bans were wiped out . The famed Roe v. Wade SCOTUS decision was handed down in 1973, all state laws regulating abortion were stricken, and abortion on demand became the law of the land. States could only ban abortion at fetal viability.
At the time of that decision in 1972, a Gallup poll found that a majority of Americans (64 percent) thought “the decision to have an abortion should be made solely by a woman and her physician.” That’s no longer the case, as abortion has become hopelessly partisan,yet among most people, (if not politicians) abortion is not nearly as controversial as the headlines might suggest. The most recent Gallup data shows that exactly half of Americans say abortion should be “legal only under certain circumstances,” while a third say it should be legal in all circumstances. That means that only a minority — 18 percent — want abortion banned entirely. Yet since Roe was decided States have enacted literally thousands of laws restricting abortions.
How will it all end - at this rate, not well.
ANONS YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO IN ORDER TO PROMOTE DIVISION - READ THE BIBLE YOURSELF - DO NOT ACCEPT FAKE INTERPRETATIONS THAT DIVIDE
GOD DEFINES THE BEGINNING OF LIFE AND ENTRY OF THE SOUL INTO A NEWBORN
Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
GOD COMMANDS ABORTION OF AN ADULTEROUS FETUS:
Numbers 5:11-22 King James Version (KJV)
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled…
21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
GOD DECREESS THE PENALTY FOR CAUSING MISCARRAIGE - FINE ONLY AS JUDGE/HUSBAND DETERMINE - NOT MURDER
Exodus 21:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
NOTE - pro -lifers cite this very same scripture for the opposite position - most scholars support the traditional and long established conclusion noted above - however, some do argue aganst this - their conclusions are questions - but see this article for full discussion:
https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1992/09/the-fetus-in-biblical-law
JESUS DID NOT ALTER THESE LAWS (THOUGH SOME - KOSHER LAWS AND SACRIFICE WERE MADE OBSOLETE BY JESUS)
Matthew 5:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Here is a link to an essay why the Bible does not prohibut abortion: http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/bible.shtml
OK so now here are Pro lifers arguments for their position - rebuttal
Fetus are called "babies" in scripture:
“The babies jostled each other within her.” (Genesis 25:22)
This verse symbolizes (or prophecizes) the future conflict between the two lines of Isaac (hebrew) and Esau (arab) resulting from the battle over Isaac's birthrights. it is not intended to be read literally.
And here - "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.(Luke 1:41) - Again this is clearly not intended to be read literally - the "baby" did not leap - it is just a honor and manner of saying that your child (Mary) will be greater than mine (Elizabeth) And that was certainly true.
However, the most quoted scripture in support of the the pro life position is Jeremiah, which refers to God knowing and honoring the fruits of his mother's womb:
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.” (Jeremiah 1:5)
Of course this says nothing at all about when life begins or abortion - it only makes clear that God knew the future and fate of that Prophet BEFORE he even was formed in the womb - not after.
And this Psalm:
For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb…Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be. (Psalm 139:13,16) Again this only states that Gos knows all and creates all - it says nothing about when life begins or abortion.
Same case for these scriptures:
This is what the Lord says—He who made you, who formed you in the womb. (Isaiah 44:2)
“Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?” (Job 31:15)
And of course the Ten Commandments - "thous shall not murder" is the correct translation but pro- lifers say "Thou shalt not kill" = clearly wrong since killing is condoned in the bible in war, for pusnishment, in self defense etc and is NOT murder.
BOTTOM LINE FOR PRO LIFERS AS STATED BY THE CHURCH - READ CAREFULLY:
Full Question
My friend contends that the Bible can't be used to argue against abortion because nowhere in the Bible does it state that abortion is wrong and that life begins at conception. How do I respond?
Answer
Though we don’t find the word abortion mentioned in any biblical text, we can deduce from Scripture, not to mention natural law, reason, Church teaching, and patristic witness that abortion is intrinsically evil.
TRANSLATION - TRUST THE CHURCH FATHERS WHO CAN "DEDUCE" THAT ABORTION IS EVIL
>Is it human life or not?
that is indeed the question and there is NO consensus that an early fetus is a human life
you may believe so and thats fine
but many others do not
its a needless division supported by those who believe ONLY one way or the other is right
only a middle ground is right under those facts