Anonymous ID: 5b8837 Feb. 21, 2019, 2:31 p.m. No.5311346   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1372 >>1418 >>1446 >>1847

So, forgive the long post, but for those who want to understand some of the tech and physics behind "5G" - by all means, if this issue is important to you, feel free to verify my claims/explanations, etc.

 

>>5309685 pb

You are correct in that it isn't something most people are familiar with.

It is often easy for me to forget how different my own upbringing and experience has been. My father was a very intelligent man with a very diverse knowledge of engineering concepts, and I also remember all of my basic physics and units.

When terms like watts, wavelength, frequency, diffraction, etc get thrown around - I know exactly what is meant not just in a textbook sense, but in a sense of experience.

 

5g is mostly a higher carrier frequency. With higher carrier frequencies comes greater band width in the modulation, and therefore higher baud rates. The carrier frequency is the chief concern for most people, as well as the average power.

 

https://www.everythingrf.com/community/5g-frequency-bands

 

The low end is a revision of the 600MHz frequency band, the 2.5GHz-ish freq band, and the 4GHz freq band already in use in a number of CDMA and LTE networks.

The "new" ones are up into the 20+GHz range, as well as some really crazy stuff up into the 50+GHz range.

 

None of these devices are fundamentally higher power. In other words, the cell phone antenna isn't going to suddenly pump out 10 watts of power because 5g is 10x faster. Power and data rate are not the same thing. The increase in speed comes from the increased number of unique "tones" that can be generated within a given band.

https://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/6014/what-is-the-relationship-between-the-bandwith-on-a-wire-and-the-frequency

There have been some expansions of the protocols to include sidebands and other such things, but the basic idea is the same. Modems are actually analog devices, not digital. Each modem is keyed to a certain frequency, and modulations of that frequency that can be differentiated are each tied to a string of 1s and 0s. The more tones that can fit, the greater number of bytes each tone can represent. The rate at which these tones can be sent is referred to as the baud rate.

 

Just amp the frequencies up from audio tones (20KHz) for 56k modems all the way to 30GHz, and you're basically looking at how smart phones work. You can pack a lot more channels onto the same tower with higher baud rates even when using the same bandwidth, resulting in much higher data rates, fewer towers, and more support for devices.

 

The concerns many have voiced have to do with how the way microwave energy changes its behavior as frequency increases. Wavelength is the distance the speed of light travels in one second divided by the frequency - since radio waves propagate at the speed of light and frequency is the number of times an AC current completes a cyclic action, the resulting wave has a length determined by that frequency.

This is where we can get into antennas, waveguides, shunted stubs, and even the break of symmetry that turns a conductor into an antenna… But half of this is magic even to those of us who study it, with our calculations being rough approximations or mathematical conveniences a bit more so than a complete theory.

 

Ionizing radiation is, more or less, radiation with a wavelength that is around 2x that of many polar molecules, or less. Ionizing radiation is where molecules, themselves, seem to become antennas and become subject to the effects of current flow and induced electrostatic differences across the molecule.

The question for many is if longer wavelengths can have similar effects, if at a much less prominent extent. After all, antennas many times smaller than the wavelength can be picked up, just at a much lower quality and coupling. Since DNA and other molecules are rather large, as are cellular structures - the concern is that these microwaves from the 5g networks are able to dissipate more power into these structures and cause problems similar to ionizing radiation, without actually being ionizing radiation in the engineering context.

 

Of course, these higher frequencies are also gobbled up by water. They don't penetrate deeply into the skin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_water

30+GHz is in the millimeter band and approaches the sub-millimeter band. So the concerns are mostly about the effects on skin or organs close to the skin.

 

I have my concerns about RF exposure - but they are less to do with "fry ur brain" and far more to do with exactly where the RF power that hits the body is going - into the water of the body or into the cellular structures? Even if it is doing bad things, it's relatively minor compared to sunlight exposure and even the UV from fluorescent lighting. So - I'm not too worried about it killing people.

Anonymous ID: 5b8837 Feb. 21, 2019, 2:46 p.m. No.5311714   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1767

>>5311372

Modem, anon. Using telephone lines. I thought it was relatively obvious I was referring to the signal sent through the wires.

If you want to be technical, cable uses microwaves, it simply sends the signal through a coaxial conductor rather than through a standard twisted pair. Satellite uses antennas to direct these microwaves to/from satellites in orbit. Same basic concept, different transmitters.

 

Now, if you wanted to, you could hook one end of a modem up to a speaker/amplifier system, and another modem up to a microphone, and you could have an audio-signal based data system that sounds like Borg-Chewbacca… Which is exactly why you would not do such a thing.

Anonymous ID: 5b8837 Feb. 21, 2019, 2:48 p.m. No.5311779   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1979

>>5311669

Of course, since this would mostly be limited to the skin, and total average power is extremely low and maximal exposures intermittent, it's not really clear how great of a problem this is.

 

I see it as something to keep an eye on, but not something to stop the presses and turn off the towers over.

Anonymous ID: 5b8837 Feb. 21, 2019, 2:53 p.m. No.5311899   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5311767

The point was to illustrate how the concept evolved… Not really to try and say that "because coax is safe, wireless is safe."

Cable is to wifi what telephones were to CB. A 56k modem is thus the logical basis for cable modems and the wireless internet of today.

Anonymous ID: 5b8837 Feb. 21, 2019, 2:59 p.m. No.5312040   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>5311859

Different materials absorb RF differently. Why do submarines use ELF to receive orders while sumberged? Water devours the RF and microwave spectrum all the way up until red light. Then it lets visible light through and goes back to devouring ultraviolet.