It doesn't make sense to me that BHO left office without making sure none of them would be prosecuted. Trump said he would do it and people were chanting for it so I did some digging today.

Pardons are absolute and cannot be challenged in Court ( pic 1a)

Pardons can be vague and given a date ( the date it was signed) without specifying individual crimes ( pic 1b)

Pardons can be nameless and a blanket description like all acts against the United States by anyone ( pic 1c)

Pardons can be given in secret but if investigation or prosecution occurs they are produced and end the legal action ( pic 1d )

Pardons for Military personnel have a separate process from Federal crimes of civillians ( pic 1e)

Pardons can be given before any legal action is taken ( pic 1f)

>>535535

they can't be amended but it does not apply to State criminal prosecution. They all live in States where they are safe due to corrupt Judges/prosecutors/ jurors. I am starting to dig into the legalities of "continuation of crimes" after pardoning such as spending any of the ill gotten gains being seen as money laundering and other things

>>535540 it could have been done in secret and only revealed if Trump pursued it. Watch the Vid of him and Trump after their 1st meeting once election night revealed Trump won. He told Trump something that shifted Trump's charge to " Lock her up" Rudy also went on F& F shortly after that and hung his head low saying draining the swamp couldn't happen or most ( 70% I think he said) of DC would go to jail

>>535694

correct. I'm wondering if some crimes could reach back and reinstate the crimes which they were potentially pardoned for. If it is a continuation of a crime like spending money received through treason being money laundering. Think about the immediate actions of Clinton's CGI closing. Where did all that money get transferred to? If they were illgotten gains and put into a bank account of some other personal or CF, then dirty money was commingled with clean money and that soils ALL money so spending any from an account where it was combined would equally be laundering

>>535719

continue to have faith anon! I am a law loving anon. Our system ( contrary to common belief) is not set to let the bad guys go free on technicalities or otherwise. We have the best system in the World and our only real problem is PEOPLE! The written law is as close to perfect as you can get. People ( lawyers) try to make a case that misinterprets the written law. It's their job. People lie. People don't do what they are supposed to when they are supposed. If everyone told the truth and did what they were supposed to when they were supposed to , you would see the perfection of our legal system. ( wink)

>>535763

It makes no sense to me that BHO didn't use his power to protect himself and others while still in office. I saw Trump change his speeches immediately after meeting BHO for the 1st time in the wh. Something was shared with him and I always thought it was about not prosecuting. Also pay attention to all of the times BHO and HRC have stressed they are now citizen activist , citizens of Chicago, civillians, ect… They are trying to warn him against Military style tribunals. If for some reason they could be prosecuted for their past crimes in that manner, their pardon for federal crimes would not work for both. It requires a seprate process to get a military pardon and BHO could not have given those out to civilians before leaving office

>>535796

until she lost on Nov 8 2016. BHO scrambled with EO's and internal changes of how classified info could be distributed up until Jan 20 2017

>>535804 that is the time frame I am talking about! TY for getting it!

>>535833

>>>535766

find YT of Cody Snodgress for all details

>>535836 no but I can't find the answer to if he could SECRETLY step down for 5 mins leaving Biden in charge, Biden pardon him then reinstate him as President. This could be done but could it be kept secret from the public? IDK that answer and keep looking for it

>>535882

anon that is not correct. I posted a lost of pardon info up thread but here is 1 pic from it and the entire thread

>>535888

if he was not a citizen then his entire presidency is null and void. Everything he was involved in foreign and domestic are void. Think Court for a minute. Everything everyone appointed by him would be null and void. The Supreme Court Judge who swore him in would be recused from any case involving presidency… this goes on and on and on. The nightmare our Country would face would be almost unbearable. I consider that the Nuclear Option because of how catastrophic the damage would be leaving us vulnerable to attack by hostile Countries unless we were perfectly dialed in for a solution

>>535990

that is enemy combatant stuff and most issues have never been tested at the Supreme Court. It's only been in place since 9/11 and Bush was shot down on a few things. IDK the answer and sorry but not many answers exist yet related to enemy combatant

>>535990

there was a case referring to German citizens, I forgot the name but it was upheld and all foriegn citizens were tried convicted and executed as I recall. But it doesn't apply because these are all USA citizens and 1866 case resolved the issue as unconstitutional unless our civilian Courts were non functioning

>>536066 we don't know that. We would only find out if DOJ tried to prosecute someone who held a secret pardon

>>535958

i think the new EO needs to be read along with others to analyse. these 3 together to get a bigger picture.

https:// www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2018-amendments-manual-courts-martial-united-states/

https://

www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

https:// www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order-amending-executive-order-13223/

>>536086

here is secret pardon info. I have been at this pardon stuff ALL DAY! I'm trying to understand pardons in relation to the new EO

>>536152 I'm here and lawfag. I am studying it but based on our current state of law it doesn't seem to apply so I have wondered off into " what if " land and connecting some dots based on BHO handing out secret pardons before Trump took office at noon 1/20/17.

>>536170 pardons given by BHO while still in office would hold up if Military law were to come into effect. Only for the crimes committed while BHO in office. Not for new crimes

>>536189

trust yourself anon! Our law is good and righteous. You know what's right and wrong. Trust that if you needed to, you would find caselaw to prove yourself right. Don't make moral assumptions but common sense goes a long way in reading the law

>>536232

martial law would be an absolute if that were to be proven true. Our entire judicial system would be thrown into chaos. * years of cases prosecuted by BHO appointed prosecutors get thrown out, all decisions by any Judge appointed/nominated by him ect ect ect

>>536236 It's actually 3 I am combining for significance. Take a quick look and let me know what you think. Thanks anon

https:// www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2018-amendments-manual-courts-martial-united-states/

https://

www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

https:// www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order-amending-executive-order-13223/