>>6081284

Part I: The proper perspective

Try a different perspective. Q says this is not about religion. But, as the evils have twisted the scriptures to pervert an entire religious belief into propaganda, then their "new gospel" which is anathema is being used as a religious basis for a political agenda. Now is that about religion, or is about a propaganda psyop?

The Rothschilds funded the Scofield Reference "Bible" with notes and comments wrapped around the King James to promote a futurist belief system for an end-of-the-world scenario featuring a new "state" of Israel so that the real "Messiah" could come and reign on earth. Look up http://whale.to/a/scofield_bible1.html

What if we read the Bible with the proper perspective of the contemporary historical perspective… that of the first audience? The first audience perspective destroys forever the Roth's end of the world scenario.

More in part 2…..

Part II - The proper perspective

Let’s say you found your Grandmother’s diary recently, one that she wrote 65 or 70 years ago when she was a young girl before she met and married your Grandfather. In it she wrote of a hope to visit Paris soon, in her very near future. She told of places she wanted to see, and things she wanted to do in a year or so. The diary ended before she actually took that trip.

But, you know that she actually went to Paris because your mother kept a photo album that has pictures of your Grandmother standing in front of the Eiffel Tower.

When you read her diary years later, do you read it as though she still has those hopes and dreams, or do you recognize that she was speaking of her day, her time, her youth? Did she mean “soon” from the day that she wrote it, or does it mean “soon” from the time that you are reading it? Are you reading it as though her future has now become your future? Or, do you recognize that her future trip to Paris actually happened long before you were born? Do you recognize that her future hopes are now your history?

This is what has been done to God’s word. Certain people with certain agendas have twisted the perspective that is required when reading and studying God’s word. The proper perspective is of the first audience.

We have to identify the speaker. Then we have to identify the audience. To whom was Christ speaking? To whom was the prophet speaking? When were they speaking, and what was the historical background of those hearing the speaker? These are critical to be able to understand the context of the scriptures.

Too many today are reading the scriptures as though they were written TO us. All of the Bible is history, and has been history for thousands of years. Even the New Testament is almost 2,000 years old. The events recorded of “the fullness of time” (Gal 4:4) happened in the first century A.D. when Christ was manifested (appeared) to men on earth (1 Pet. 1:20). All of those events had a time and place in the first century A.D. We must read and study the New Testament the same way we read and study the Old Testament, knowing the events recorded happened to a people who lived long ago.

They are recorded for our example and our admonition (1 Cor. 10:11) so that we can KNOW God’s plan of salvation was fulfilled in Christ, so that we can be assured of being reconciled to Him through His Son’s sacrifice. Taking the events of the first century A.D. out of time and place causes many problems, contradictions, and false doctrines – resulting in the traditions and teachings of men.

The word “soon” found repeatedly in the books of the New Testament and in Revelation did not mean 2,000 or more years later. It meant the prophesies spoken of to that first audience was about to happen in their lifetime. This perspective of the first audience listener is called the “preterist” perspective. It simply means that we recognize the time of the events were meant for those who heard the word “soon” or “shortly” or “near” or “at hand.” It meant those things would happen in their time, while they yet lived.

When reading them almost 2,000 years later they cannot be taken to mean they are yet future to us. Just like reading your Grandmother’s “soon” hope to visit Paris, we must recognize the time frame of the prophesies of the New Testament had an application meant for those of the first century A.D. when the books / letters of the New Testament were written.

It's Not The End of The World… It's Not The "End Times". Those days of the 1st century AD were the "days of vengeance" and they were the 2nd fulfillment, the double fulfillment of the destruction of Jerusalem. Done and done.

Part III…. The proper perspective

Heb 1:1-3, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: (KJV)

We are going to use basic algebra to analyze this scripture. If A = B, and B = C, then A must also = C. In vs. 1, we are told that God spoke to the fathers in different or various ways in the past, by or through the prophets. The prophets then spoke the Word directly to the people. He next states that Christ spoke to the people “in these last days.”

When did Jesus speak directly with the people?

Jesus spoke directly with the people in the first century A.D., during His three year earthly ministry in the flesh, and to His disciples and a few select others for a little time after His resurrection.

Therefore, Jesus spoke to the people in the 1st Century AD (A), and the scripture says he spoke to them in these last days (B), then these last days were in the 1st Century AD (C). A = B = C.

Part IV - The proper perspective

Gen. 49:1, “And Jacob calleth unto his sons and saith, `Be gathered together, and I declare to you that which doth happen with you in the latter end of the days.” (Young’s Literal Translation, [YLT]) or

Gen. 49:1, “ And Jacob called his sons and said, “Gather together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days:” (NKJV)

Whose last days? In Genesis c. 49 Jacob, or Israel, was giving the blessings to his sons, the tribes of Israel, at his death bed. The latter days, or the last days were the last days of the tribes of Israel!

Notice specifically the blessing given to Judah.

Gen 49: 8-12, “8 Judah! thou — thy brethren praise thee! Thy hand [is] on the neck of thine enemies, Sons of thy father bow themselves to thee. 9 A lion’s whelp [is] Judah, For prey, my son, thou hast gone up; He hath bent, he hath crouched as a lion, And as a lioness; who causeth him to arise? 10 The sceptre turneth not aside from Judah, And a lawgiver from between his feet, Till his Seed come; And his [is] the obedience of peoples. 11 Binding to the vine his ass, And to the choice vine the colt of his ass, He hath washed in wine his clothing, And in the blood of grapes his covering; 12 Red [are] eyes with wine, And white [are] teeth with milk!” (YLT) or

Gen 49:8-12, ” 8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s children shall bow down before thee. 9 Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? 10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. 11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: 12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.” (KJV)

“Till his Seed come” or “until Shiloh come” are speaking of Christ. Both Seed and Shiloh are capitalized, indicating a proper noun. The Seed is Christ, the promised Messiah, prophesied from Gen. 3:15, 12:3, 18:18; 2 Sam. 7:12; 1 Chron. 17:11; Is. 53:10; Is. 65:9; and affirmed in John 7:42; Acts 3:25. 13:23; Rom. 1:3, Gal. 3:16. When his Seed, Christ, came, then the sceptre was removed from Judah, from Israel, and given to Christ.

When did Christ receive the crown? When was He crucified? The days in which the scepter was removed from Judah and given unto Christ, the Messiah, the promised seed of Abraham, were the last days just as Jacob had pronounced to Judah! They were the last days of fleshly Israel, the last days of the Old Covenant, the last days of the sacrificial Mosaic law.

The end times were not the end of the world, but the end of that temple in Jerusalem.

Part V - the proper perspective -

>>6165520

Part V - The proper persective -

So, the Roths succeeded in creating a new "religion" called the Christian-Zionist, and it has been hugely successful in perverting Christianity to the extent the so called Christians are turning their backs on God and denying Jesus, all for the privilege of saying they are friends of the Jews.

http://www.jesusisprecious.org/false_doctrine/zionism/why_expose.htm

It is heresy, and blasphemy. The Zionists prey on the naivete and ignorance of the Christians, cutting and tearing God's word, misapplying and misappropriating scripture for their own use; taking it out of context.

God was finished with Jerusalem and that temple in AD 70. It no longer has any meaning in His plan, as Christ has already fulfilled all of it. Christ is the 3rd temple, and all of His saints, His believers are the priests in His temple that will never ever end.

>>6165893

Not a bot. Not AI. Real person. Try taking off the "Roths" colored glasses, remove all learned bias and preconceived ideas, and look at what the Bible really says.

Christ was crucified, and resurrected during the "last days" -Heb 1:1-3, 1 Pet. 1:20, Matt. 10:23, etc.

But, Christ told the disciples in Luke 21:22 that their days were the days of vengeance that all things which were written may be fulfilled.

Christ told them that the axe was already laid at the root of the trees. (Matt. 3:10; Luke 3:9)

Christ told the disciples in Matt. 10:23 that they would not finish going through the cities of Israel before He came in His kingdom.

Christ told the disciples that some were standing before him that would not die before He came in His kingdom. (Matt. 16:28; Luke 9:27)

Christ told the disciples that their generation would not pass till all those things were fulfilled. (Matt. 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32)

Christ told the disciples that He came to bring judgment (fire on earth) and that it was already kindled against Israel. (Luke 12:49) (“Earth” was symbolic in judgment language for Israel. See my previous post “Heaven and Earth Have Passed Away”.)

Christ told Peter that John would live to see Him come again. (John 21:22)

Christ told the High Priest Caiaphas that he would see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven. (Matt. 23:64) Judgment language pronounced against Caiaphas!

The "last days" were the last days of the last tribe - Judah (Gen. 49:10), and the last days of the Mosaic covenant, & the last days of that animal sacrificial temple in Jerusalem. They were never speaking of the last days of the entire earth.

>>6173116

Which "you" was Christ speaking to? You are reading it as though Christ said those words to you. But, He was speaking directly to His disciples in Matt. ch. 10, giving them direction on where to go, and how to go. Those words were specific to the disciples. They are not directions for all ppl of all generations.

Do you think that b/c He returned to destroy Jerusalem and the temple in that same generation in which He was manifested, that generation of the 1st cent. AD that He no longer rules? Do you think that His everlasting kingdom stopped once He brought into being in that generation, the very generation in which He told them all that it was "at hand". When does "at hand" mean 2,000 years and counting.

He established His kingdom just as He told them He would, and He has continued to reign at the right of the Father ever since. He reigns and rules now! He is our High Priest after the order of Mechizedek now!. He has never stopped.

>>6181354

You inspired my latest post at my blog. Preterists, or better understood as fulfilled covenant teaching, do not leave scriptures out. We just do not lift them out of time and place and move them to the 21st century AD. For your consideration, I present it in parts here:

Part I - When Does "You" mean "Me"?

When we read the Bible and come across the personal pronoun “you”, does it always apply to us? Does every direction Jesus spoke to His disciples almost 2,000 years ago also apply to us when we read it in our generation, in our day and time?

The Beatitudes -Matt. 5:3-10:

"… for theirs is the kingdom of heaven….they that mourn: for they shall be comforted….for they shall inherit the earth…..they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled…..for they shall obtain mercy…..for they shall be called the children of God……they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

It is fairly easy to see the general and universal nature of the beatitudes of Matthew chap. 5 when the third person pronouns (he, she, him, her, they) are used. We understand that these principles are meant for all people for all generations.

In Matthew chap. 5 Jesus was teaching the intent of the law more perfectly to His disciples and the people listening on that mountain in AD 27 – 28. Even though He was speaking directly to those people of that generation, we can tell from the third person pronouns that these are teachings for all of us to learn and live our lives by. ….. cont'd in Part II

>>6272225

Part II - "When Does "You" mean "Me"?

But, it becomes trickier when the first person (I, me, we, our), or the second person (you, your) pronoun is used.

Matt. 5:11-16, " Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, ….for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you…..Ye are the salt of the earth:….Ye are the light of the world. ….Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, …"

Because of the second person pronouns (ye, you, thou, thee) the reader must determine if the context of the words Jesus spoke are only for those people of that generation, or if they apply to all people of every generation. As Jesus was teaching the law more perfectly to those who were under the law, did these principles only apply to those of that first century AD?

Cont'd in Part III….

>>6272225

Part III - When does "You" mean "Me" ?

“ 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.“ (Matt. 5:17-20, KJV)

I have discussed the meaning of “heaven and earth” previously in the posts “Heaven and Earth Have Passed Away” and “Frequent Mistakes – Part V: Roses are red, Violets are blue…”. Heaven and earth was a compound metaphor that stood for the promise / covenant / contract between God and Israel (heaven and earth) under the Mosaic Law.

So, we can paraphrase Matt. 5:18 as “Till [the Mosaic covenant] pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,….”. The Jews understood “heaven and earth” more specifically as the temple with its symbolic elements of the physical earth and heavens where God met with man. (2, 3) It becomes clear then that Jesus was telling them that the law would stand until the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, and that would be the end of the Mosaic covenant.

Then, are all of the principles Jesus taught those under the law something we can ignore?

Cont'd in Part IV….

>>6272225

Part IV - When Does "You" Mean "Me"?

“ 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.“ (Matt. 5:21-24, KJV)

It would be a impossible for us to take a gift to an altar that was destroyed in AD 70. Does that mean that it is acceptable to be angry with our brethren, and to hold anger in our hearts against them? Is it now acceptable to commit murder, or adultery, or covet our neighbors property?

Not at all. It is simply that our Father in heaven made a change in the law once Christ completed it (fulfilled it) by becoming that last sacrifice that would ever be needed for repentance (Heb. 7:12; 8:38; 9:11ff).

Cont'd in part V….

>>6272225

Part V - When Does "You" Mean "Me"?

Therefore, those of us reading the scriptures in a time long after the destruction of the Jerusalem temple must discern which instructions were specific, and which instructions are universally applicable.

“ 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.“ (Matt. 10:22-23, KJV)

Proper hermeneutics demands that scriptures be understood and analyzed in the context in which Jesus spoke them to the first audience. We must ask to whom was He speaking, what were the circumstances, and the historical background, the time period. Was He speaking to just the disciples or were others present? Was He speaking before His crucifixion, or after His resurrection? Is the scripture a literal passage, or is it prophesy that will involve symbols and metaphors? (1)

We have to put ourselves in their shoes. We have to put our minds into their situation, and walk with them in their time. Is it a specific instruction just for the disciples, or does it apply to everyone of every generation?

Cont'd in Part VI….

>>6272225

Part VI - When Does "You" Mean "Me"?

We can only determine these questions from within the context. Many people read Matt. 10:22-23 as though “you” means “me”. They read it as though it was spoken and written to them directly. But, when we go to the beginning of the chapter we find that Jesus was directing His disciples on their mission journey throughout the then existing lands to the then existing “cities” of Israel.

“1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.“ (Matt. 10:1-6, KJV)

Having determined that Christ was speaking to His disciples before His crucifixion, we can know that the instructions He gave them in this chapter were specifically for them. The “lost sheep of the house of Israel” were not lost in the sense that no one knew where they were. God and Jesus knew where they were. The Sanhedrin knew where they were as those of the Assyrian and Babylonian dispersions (diaspora) had settled throughout Asia and were sending their “tithes” to the council in Jerusalem.

The disciples therefore knew where Christ was sending them.

Cont'd in Part VII - …

>>6272225

Part VII - When Does "You" Mean "Me"?

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,” (1 Pet. 1:1, KJV)

Peter was speaking to the “strangers,” those of the dispersion still living outside of Judea and Jerusalem, in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. I am sure there were those of other nations (gentiles) in those congregations, but primarily Peter was sent to the spiritually lost of the tribes of Israel to preach the gospel of Christ.

So, the instructions Christ gave His disciples in Matt. chap. 10 are not instructions for all men of all generations, as many of those cities of the “lost tribes of Israel” no longer exist. Pontus was located on the southern coast of the Black Sea, and today is part of the territory of Turkey. Cappadocia (Kapadokya) is a region in Turkey that contains many villages and cities. Galatia was a city in what is now called Turkey, bounded on the north by Bithynia and Paphlagonia, and on the south by Lycaonia and Cappadocia, on the east by Pontus, and the west by Phrygia.

These cities existed in the first century AD. When Christ told His disciples that they would not finish going through them before He returned, are we to believe that He is still waiting until men today go to those cities in Turkey to preach the gospel? Are we to believe these instructions are still active for all men to go to other “cities” of the “state” of Israel today, in our generation?

Cont'd in Part VIII ….

>>6272225

Part VIII - When Does "You" Mean "Me"?

“ 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.“ (Matt. 23:32-35, KJV)

Which “ye” is meant in Matt. 23:32? Which “you” is meant in Matt. 23:35-36? We can only know by keeping the scriptures within the context of that chapter. The audience to whom Christ was speaking is identified in Matt. 23:13:

“ But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

Jesus defines the “you” and the “ye” He spoke to. It was directed at the scribes and Pharisees who lived during the first century AD before the destruction of the temple. He cried “Woe” unto THEM seven more times in that same chapter, in that same context describing their condition and pronouncing their ultimate doom.

All of those things were going to happen to them in that generation of the first century AD, and it was that generation which was “this generation” at the time the Lord spoke those words. It is not “this generation” when we are reading the scriptures almost 2,000 years later, and we are not the scribes and Pharisees.

We must empathize with those people of the first century AD to whom Christ was speaking, and we must determine the context of the scriptures in order to know when “you” spoken in that generation applies only to “them” or when it applies to “me” when we read it today.

Cont'd in Part IX…

>>6272225

Part IX - When Does "You" Mean "Me"?

” 64 Jesus saith to him, `Thou hast said; nevertheless I say to you, hereafter ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of the power, and coming upon the clouds, of the heaven.'” (Matt. 26:64, YLT)

Who was “you” in this scripture? Who was Jesus speaking to? We can find that Caiaphas was the recipient of this judgment prophesy by looking back at the previous verse in Matt. 26:57 and see that the context is in the conversation Jesus had with the high priest Caiaphas before His crucifixion. Therefore, by leaving it in its proper context, the hermeneutic principal demands that this “you” be understood as a statement only meant for Caiaphas. It is not meant for “me” today. Thus, if Caiaphas was going to see Christ coming in the clouds of heaven, then Jesus’ return was during Caiaphas’ lifetime.

“ 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.“ (Matt. 28:19-20, KJV)

The above two verses are commonly called the great commission, and are used by many preachers as their mission statement. But, who was Christ speaking to? Matt. 28:16 identifies the audience as the eleven disciples. Verse 20 is better translated in the AMP, NET, NIV, ESV and YLT among several other English translations as “end of the age”, the end of the Mosaic age and the destruction of the temple.

Does the “ye” only apply to the disciples? Did Christ mean He would leave us after the destruction of the temple in AD 70? No. But this great commission given to the disciples / apostles is carried forward by Paul to Timothy.

“ 2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.” (2 Tim. 2:2, KJV)

In this manner, we can discern when the second person pronouns are indicating specific statements only meant for specific individuals, and when they encompass general principals meant to be applied to all men throughout all generations. It is very important to stay with the hermeneutic principals to be able to correctly analyze the scriptures.

Not every “you” means “me” when we read the scriptures today.

See also https://www.gotquestions.org/Biblical-hermeneutics.html

See also https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/antiquities-jews/book-3/chapter-6.html

See also http://www.reenactingtheway.com/blog/when-heaven-and-earth-passed-away-everything-changed879420187179853150181