He also didn't know how much his wife was being paid by Fusion. He continued his contact with Steele and Steele had been dumped by the FBI and still sent that info to the FBI. Looks like the DOJ was using the same info from both sources to try to corroborate the lies in order to get the FISA, but since Orr knew nothing about the FISAs he tried to keep himself out of the loop. Total bullshit.