KEK!
That works, too.
Continuing the DS Cohen (that seems to fit a little tooooo well) dig:
https://www.csis.org/events/discussion-under-secretary-david-s-cohen
Discussion with Under Secretary David S. Cohen
aaaand again… that interview is from 2012
Then in 2018:
https://www.csis.org/programs/international-security-program/global-security-forum/2018-global-security-forum
The event will feature an armchair discussion between Dr. Kathleen Hicks and Admiral Michael S. Rogers, 2nd Commander of the United States Cyber Command and 17th Director of the National Security Agency
Panel Discussion with
Heather A. Conley
Senior Vice President for Europe, Eurasia, and the Arctic; and Director, Europe Program
David S. Cohen
Partner, WilmerHale; former Deputy Director, CIA; and former Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, United States Department of the Treasury
Ambassador Derek Mitchell
President, National Democratic Institute; former U.S. Ambassador to Myanmar (Burma); and former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Asian and Pacific Security Affairs
Thomas Wright
Director, Center on the United States and Europe; and Senior Fellow - Foreign Policy, Project on International Order and Strategy, The Brookings Institution
Suzanne Spaulding
Senior Adviser, Homeland Security Program and International Security Program; and Director, Defending Democratic Institutions
From 2018 CSIS via IPA:
https://information-professionals.org/wp-content/uploads/2018-11-28-Prospects-and-Priorities-for-US-Gray-Zone-Panel.pdf
(you can read on browser, it's not some forced download nonsense)
BAKER
If you want that one, here's some copy for dju to pasta:
"CSIS 2018 "The Gray Zone" Panel Discussion with David S. Cohen and Others"
"Conley – The gray zone is said to be that space between war and peace. I believe that we are at war. Is this war?"
"[DS] Cohen - Yes - war is when one nation exerts its will on another nation - Russia’s techniques seek to undermine American interests and advance their interests which perhaps are ultimately as effective as traditional war – gray zone activities, through cyber, can escalate to war (above the threshold)"
LADS AND LASSES ALIKE
Ex-NSA chief welcomes more U.S. offensive operations in cyberspace
https://www.cyberscoop.com/ex-nsa-chief-welcomes-offensive-u-s-approach-cyberspace/
Someone plz grab that whole page in an image.
I went somewhere else with the screencapping.
With rollover or with color correction cuz he deserves the best.
Admiral (Ret) Michael Rogers 2018 ICIT Pioneer Acceptance Speech
Retired Admiral Michael Rogers, former director of the NSA and U.S. Cyber Command, gives an electrifying speech at the 2018 ICIT Gala and Benefit as is inducted as the 2018 ICIT Pioneer, demonstrating what humility and true leadership looks like.