>>5655495 (pp)
or in other words…
Rogers and DS Cohen in one video, but not at the same time. and I don't know if they interacted
Also, at ~1:01:11, the transition guy, while the stage clears, gives a slideshow.
This popped out at me:
"Attributes of Gray Zone Actions"
"Multidimensional: military, non-military, private sector, religion, culture, all fair game as tools."