Jussie forfeited a $100,000 bond.
This means he's guilty. They return the bonds of innocent men.
We don't have the entire story yet.
A You know, I don't want to espouse conspiracy theories
because, you know, it's horrifying to really think that they might
be true, but just yesterday, there was a report in the Daily
Caller from his own lawyer that he was working with the FBI when
he approached me. And when he was working me, I guess – I don't
know if that's a fact, and I'm not saying it's a fact – I'm just
relaying what the Daily Caller reported yesterday, with Chuck
Ross, and it stated in a categorical fashion that Stephan Roh, who
is Joseph Mifsud's, I believe his President's counsel, or PR
person, said that Mifsud was never a Russian agent.
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A Email. Email. And I remember there was even a point I
messaged this person on Skype. And I said, are you the same
person that I met a couple months ago or so? You know, it was
just very odd. I think I, you know, I wrote that to her on Skype.
Nevertheless, I think we could provide these emails of my
interactions with this individual and Joseph Mifsud. What it
seems was going on was that Mifsud was using her as some sort of Russian face or person.
Mr. Breitenbach. When you say "her" who is, who are you –
Mr. Papadopoulos. Putin's fake niece, Olga.
Mr. Breitenbach. Do you know her last name?
Mr. Papadopoulos. I believe it's Polanskaya. I believe
that's – I think The New York Times reported about her a bit.
But she's apparently a wine manager at some store in Rome. She's
a manager of a wine business. So it doesn't make sense. To this
day, this doesn't make sense to me. It is P-o-l-a-n-s-k-a-y-a. I
believe that's how you spell her last name.
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Q Okay. And then just to be clear, in the indictment
against you, is Mifsud, is he the professor?
A Yes.
Q And then at what point did you learn that, you know,
he's not who he said he was?
A Like I said, I don't have the concrete proof of who this
person is. I'm just going with reports.
And all I can say is that I believe the day I was, my name
was publicly released and Papadopoulos became this person that
everyone now knows, Mifsud gave an interview to an Italian
newspaper. And in this newspaper, he basically said, I'm not a
Russian agent. I'm a Clinton supporter. I'm a Clinton Foundation
donor, and that – something along those lines. I mean, don't
quote me exactly, you could look up the article yourself. It is in La Republica.
And then all of a sudden, after that, he disappears off the
face of the planet, which I always found as odd.
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And in my honest opinion, I think that completely backfired
on this narrative, because all they've uncovered, for the most
part, is how the connected he [Mifsud] is to the British Government, Italian Government, the State Department, where he was talking at
a conference, I think, when he was apparently interviewed by the
FBI. And that he knows, of course, some Russian academics. He
seems to be this very big networker.
But I guess the overwhelming evidence, from what I've read,
just in reports, nothing classified, of course, because I'm not
privy to anything like that, and considering his own lawyer is
saying it, Stephan Roh, that Mifsud is a western intelligence
source. And, I guess, according to reports yesterday, he was
working with the FBI.
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But anyway – I believe – this interview is very important
actually and the date of this interview is very important. I
believe that the interview I gave to the Times of London was on May 2nd or May 3rd. So around a week, let's say, after Mifsud
tells me this stuff. All of a sudden, I'm – two individuals from
the U.S. embassy in London reach out to me. And this is Terrance
Dudley, you saw their names, Terrance Dudley and Gregory Baker.
That's how I remembered it. It was right after the interview.
And they start probing me. Hey, could we meet? You know, I
saw they were U.S. guys, our people, why wouldn't I meet with
these people. Wining and dining me as if I was some, you know,
some sort of star in their eyes. Some – it was very bizarre.
We're going to take you to this private club in London. We're
going to – I mean, really spending hundreds of pounds on drinks
and food and just trying to get to know who I am.
My impression of these people was that they knew exactly who
I was. They were, they knew my background very well. And they were making remarks to make it seem ever more so that they knew
that. One guy, Gregory Baker, would open remarks in the Greek
language, because he was, I guess, stationed in Greece and he knew
my family were Greek or immigrant Greeks. And Terrance Dudley
would say, Oh, I was at Tufts University and I wrote my thesis on
energy.
So it's like they knew all about my background before they
came to me. And I believe Terrance Dudley was a Navy attache. He
might still actually be right now at the London embassy.
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Mr. Papadopoulos. Basically, yes, which is very bizarre.
Keeping in touch with me on LinkedIn, email for months after that.
Sharing information. I think they shared some information from
the State Department with me that they wanted me to pass along to
the campaign. They were two active duty people at the U.S.
embassy in London.
Unless they were completely rogue and nuts and just reaching
out to me the way they did, I don't know. That's probably your
job to figure out what they were really – what their motives were
for meeting with me. And these two guys then started to tell me,
you know, we need to introduce you to our people in Athens.
And Gregory Baker, I believe, or Terrance, one of the two,
puts me in touch with the U.S. Army attache in Athens to basically
hear more about what I was doing regarding energy and Greece and
Cyprus and what the U.S. policy should be in NATO. They had this
picture of me as some sort of influential person in that part of the world. And they wanted to know my thoughts, and they wanted
to know what the campaign was up to. It was a combination of
both. What's the campaign up to and what are you up to.
So then they introduced me, of course, to their people in
Athens, and I could get to that but – so after that on May 10th,
after I give the interview – so remember, I give this interview.
I'm in London and I begin to feel that I'm under watch. That's
how, that's my impression. I would attend certain cafes and
restaurants where I was living.
And people I would just feel were watching me in London. I
don't know what, if I was being paranoid or not but, you know,
let's just say I felt like I was under some sort of surveillance.
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Mr. Papadopoulos. My understanding and my – probably how I
remember it is that, initially, the campaign was vacillating
between maybe it's a good idea, maybe it's not. It was
always – it seemed very noncommittal, to be quite frank, okay?
And then once Paul Manafort took over, we just seemed that it was
all shut down – or leading up to his appointment, it was all shut
down.
BY MS. SHEN:
Q What do you mean by "it was all shut down"?
A Meaning my attempt to set up a meeting with Trump and
Putin. I think once I never received a response from Manafort, I
just said, Okay, they don't want to do this, and that was it.
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