The Byron York Show

John Dowd: The Man Who Defended Trump, Part II

John Dowd comes back to explain how Trump has been operating on 2 levels.

on the surface, calling it a 'witch hunt', it's all about politics

in the background, he gave Mueller everything he wanted, except giving himself up to a perjury trap.

https://ricochet.com/podcast/byron-york-show/the-man-who-defended-trump-part-ii/