Anonymous ID: f1ef79 April 20, 2019, 11:13 a.m. No.6254035   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4083

>>6253832

>Basically the bible wasn't written by "G-d"

 

TRUE

 

I think a lot of confusion stems from late literal interpretations of such statements without an appreciation of the allegorical foundations that Origen used to formulate the original exegesis of the bible. But in the end, even Origen would argue that all interpretations are ultimately approximations because all descriptors are metaphors for God, which is ultimately incomprehensible. To declare otherwise is by definition is a step toward idolatry.

 

Origen on “Logos” or “the Word” in Greek

 

Origen was the first Christian philosopher-theologian to write systematic theology to explain how all the things taught in the Bible can be true, and to show how those truths relate to one another. Origen begins the first book of his, On First Principles, with a preface that states what is clear from the teaching of the Apostles. There is only one God the creator, who gave the Law and sent Jesus Christ, God the Son, born of the Father, who was born of a virgin, became a man who died, and rose from the dead. Human beings have souls with free will and rationality, and we are each responsible for our choices in life. The Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit and have both an obvious and deeper meaning(s). Origen says that anyone who wants to make a “connected series and body of truths” must begin from this foundation. Origen also disproved the idea that God exists materially (objectively). While various Scriptures give this impression, Origen shows that all descriptors are metaphors for God which is ultimately incomprehensible, far better than any human understanding can fathom.

 

Historically, the ancient Greek word, logos has held a wide range of meanings primarily connected with rational thought and its expression through oral speech. In Hellenistic philosophy, logos, was elevated to a stable cosmic principle (archê) as the central mediating instance between the empirical world and the realm of ultimate reality and at the same time the unifying rational principle of the cosmos and of human society. In the Hebrew Scriptures the creative divine Word, had a semiautonomous existence (Isa. 55:11; Wis. 18:15) and became identified with Wisdom (Sir. 24:3), a personal or personified entity, whose mediating role in creation and salvation was assigned, in the Christological hymns of Colossians and Ephesians, to Christ, the logos made flesh, who had already assumed a central place among the titles of Christ in the Apologists.

 

Origen disciplines and revitalizes logos theology by reanchoring it within Scripture, reconciling the concerns of Irenaeus with the philosophical leanings of the Apologists, combining a phenomenology of the logos in terms of its function of revelation with a dynamic speculative grasp of its divine origin: the logos is ‘God’ by reason of his “being” ‘towards God’ (John 1.1; ComJn2.10.) Origen’s discourse on logos formulates the ontological status of the logos, which as mediator between God and creation exhibits both a transcendent and an imminent aspect.

 

The Logos creates the world at God’s behest (ComJn 1.110; CCels 2.9); he is its immediate creator while the Father is the creator-in-chief (CCels 6.60); he can even be seen as an instrument used by God in creation (ComJn 2.70-2). The Logos’s role in creation is such that the Logos can be seen as an instrument at the service of the creative task. The words (logoi) of Christ that will not pass away (Matt. 24:35) are associated with the permanent seminal principles (logoi) of created things (CCels 5.22), which Origen even identifies with the Logos (ComPs Praef. [PG 12.1097]).

 

The name of Son is the principal name of Christ, the one identifying him as a person in relation to the Father. The other names nest within this, as it were. In the chain of epinoiai the title Wisdom precedes that of Logos. Their relation again suggests the Stoic concept of immanent and expressed Logos. Origen notes that God creates all things in Wisdom but through the Son (ComJn 2.90). Wisdom is the principle (archê) in which the ultimate patterns of things are contained. Adapted from

 

adapted from

https://josephsoleary.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/12/origen_on_logos.html

Anonymous ID: f1ef79 April 20, 2019, 11:25 a.m. No.6254138   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>6254083

>This is Beautiful and if not for the standards we have, which I support, I would call it very notable. Great work Anon. TY!!

>WWG1WGA

 

Thanks anon, I really appreciate it.

Anonymous ID: f1ef79 April 20, 2019, 11:57 a.m. No.6254486   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>6254195

>Very interesting. I've been suspecting similar things

 

The problem with such prophecy is that if it is accepted by large numbers based on fear without reason and logic, then it can become a sort of self-fulfilling fate.

 

If Q has taught us anything, it is that the future can be what good we make of it. We don't have to be prisoners to the nihilism inherent in those who would sacrifice our children for the glory of mammon.

 

Accept Logos / Reject mammon