Anonymous ID: cb96fa May 3, 2019, 11:24 a.m. No.6403941   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>3985 >>3988 >>4193

>>6403848

Do you know Maslow's hierarchy?

Fulfillment of basic human needs:

Food/water

Shelter

Physical security

Sleep

Necessarily come before fulfillment of higher needs for love, compassion, self-actualization, creativity, etc.

Must have basic needs fulfilled before people are able to seek fulfillment of emotional/spiritual needs.

 

Surely you're not arguing against the desirability of fulfilling basic human physical needs that everyone understands and experiences?

Anonymous ID: cb96fa May 3, 2019, 12:12 p.m. No.6404344   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>6404265

There is much disinformation/confusion sewn in 8ch about this topic. It's intended to create division and hate, that should not be present among brethren who love God.

 

The Torah == the five books of Moses in the Old Testament.

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

If you don't understand the context of what God told the Israelites, the covenants He made with them (multiple covenants), what God cautioned them not to do, and what happened historically, then how are you going to understand how Jesus came to fulfill the law and offer a new covenant?

We find the same "voice" speaking to mankind throughout the entire Bible consistently, using imagery and allegory and symbolism that continues across the entire Bible, not just the NT.

 

We spend about equal time studying the OT and the NT.

The prophets also contain tremendous information.

The Psalms of David are incredible and also contain the same form of allegory and symbolism.

 

How can Christians understand the meaning of a "new covenant" if they don't understand what the old covenant was/is and how long it remained/remains in effect?

 

When the apostle Paul in the book of Hebrews said this:

 

Hebrews 8:6-13 (ESV)

6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

 

8 For he finds fault with them when he says:

 

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,

when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel

and with the house of Judah,

9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers

on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.

For they did not continue in my covenant,

and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel

after those days, declares the Lord:

I will put my laws into their minds,

and write them on their hearts,

and I will be their God,

and they shall be my people.

11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor

and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’

for they shall all know me,

from the least of them to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,

and I will remember their sins no more.”

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

He was quoting the prophet Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (ESV) 31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”